TH3 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: From about an hour ago: https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-wh-pool-3-1838913336 So you are quoting a guy who literally cannot tell the truth about anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, TH3 said: So you are quoting a guy who literally cannot tell the truth about anything Anything Gracie? Why are you even here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, TH3 said: So you are quoting a guy who literally cannot tell the truth about anything Sharing information, relevant to the topic, without commentary is important. It's up to you to discern for yourself what, if anything, to take from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 23 hours ago, DC Tom said: Was actually told today that it was unprecedented for the US to abandon allies like the Kurds like this. Yeah...hasn't happened since the Obama administration, who was the first to do it since W, who was the first to do it since Clinton, who was the first since H.W.... And that's just the Kurds. Wonder how the Hmong feel about this? That was my first reaction when I heard about Trump's reelection based decision likely leading to the slaughter of our allies. We're Lucy with the football when it comes to our history with the Kurds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Sharing information, relevant to the topic, without commentary is important. It's up to you to discern for yourself what, if anything, to take from it. You buy Trump hook, line, and sinker - you've devoted the last 3 years of your life to spreading his propaganda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 US says it did not approve Turkey's Syria offensive US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has denied the US gave Turkey a "green light" for its offensive in Syria. Mr Pompeo defended President Donald Trump's widely criticised decision to withdraw US troops from the northern border area. Turkey on Wednesday launched an assault on territory held by Kurdish-led forces - key allies of the US in the region. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49995494 "President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is," Gulnur Aybet said from Ankara on Wednesday. "He knows what the scope of this operation is." https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/turkey-syria-us-anger-ramifications/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Trump said the Kurds didn’t help us at Normandy in WW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Quote The response from Republicans has been one of the most vocal challenges to Trump in his nearly three years in office. Some like Graham and Cheney called out the president by name, and others cast his decision-making in stark and dire terms. The Kurds “actually fought on the ground. They had people dying. To just abandon them like that so the Turks can come in and slaughter them is not just immoral, it taints our reputation all over the world,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said Tuesday. “It’s a terrible mistake. We’ll have to think of what options there are. I’m sure the Senate will, potentially, take some vote to disagree with that decision.” “President Trump's decision to abandon the Kurds, our major ally in the fight against ISIS, was terribly unwise. Today, we are seeing the consequences of that terrible decision,” Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Where did all these Kurds die? It's not as if they took up positions on our southern border to hold off the hordes of the Central American invaders. We helped them win a war on their territory to their benefit. Granted, defeating ISIS is a good thing for the entire world but we are not responsible for the whole world. While I sympathize with the Kurds and some others in the ME we can never force our will and way of life on these other countries, we now don't have to. The USA is now energy independent and can influence other countries with our ability to alter energy prices. With that said, we tried to do this 80 years ago and felt the wrath of Japan for doing so. We were relatively militarily weak then so it should be a lesson to us that even though we can influence other countries with our energy and economic might, we must constantly be cognizant of the need to be able to back up our words with military might and prowess. No civilization/country/city state has become great without paying the price in blood for that greatness. We can't make other countries great by spilling our blood for them. We can give them a start but their own blood and perseverance is what's necessary for their ultimate success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Anything Gracie? Why are you even here? Came from Stadium Wall - Stayed for the same reason people look at car accidents....For one - I don't know what you guys do for a living or a home life but it seems you guys have formed lives whereas many of you can scan the web and post a bunch of crap with the same boring repetitive takes and comments all day every day for years on end... I post for the sheer tragicomedy of showing how unequivocally delusional most of you are......you do realize forum this is a different reality - correct - please tell me you know this.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, TH3 said: Came from Stadium Wall - Stayed for the same reason people look at car accidents....For one - I don't know what you guys do for a living or a home life but it seems you guys have formed lives whereas many of you can scan the web and post a bunch of crap with the same boring repetitive takes and comments all day every day for years on end... I post for the sheer tragicomedy of showing how unequivocally delusional most of you are......you do realize forum this is a different reality - correct - please tell me you know this.... TH3 against the world: "All you guys are nuts and I'm the only sane person here". "Stop that, quit talking to me". "They're after me, I know it". You're lucky that the commitment laws have been changed in the last few decades or you'd be getting fit for a straightjacket right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That was my first reaction when I heard about Trump's reelection based decision likely leading to the slaughter of our allies. We're Lucy with the football when it comes to our history with the Kurds. Let's also not forget that there are three different Kurdish groups in Syria that are internationally designated terrorist organizations - the KPP, the YPG, and Ansar al-Islam. Which, not coincidentally, are who the Turkish are fighting. Primarily the KPP, which has been recognized as a terrorist organization by all of NATO since the 80s. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 What a scumbag. Trump, with a phone call agreement and abrupt withdrawal of troops, has now made our country directly responsible for at least 100,000 civilians to be displaced from their homes and (last I checked) at least 20 deaths, with half of those being civilians. Literally just within a couple days after we withdraw troops, Turkey basically declares war as some Kurds fight back and others abandon posts, like those imprisoning ISIS fighters. Bu..bu..but WHY would Trump make this type of sporadic phone call agreement with the President of Turkey???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, TH3 said: Came from Stadium Wall - Stayed for the same reason people look at car accidents....For one - I don't know what you guys do for a living or a home life but it seems you guys have formed lives whereas many of you can scan the web and post a bunch of crap with the same boring repetitive takes and comments all day every day for years on end... I post for the sheer tragicomedy of showing how unequivocally delusional most of you are......you do realize forum this is a different reality - correct - please tell me you know this.... So your comment that Trump cannot "literally tell the truth about anything" was BS hyperbole? BS hyperbole will get called out and ridiculed here as it should. 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: What a scumbag. Trump, with a phone call agreement and abrupt withdrawal of troops, has now made our country directly responsible for at least 100,000 civilians to be displaced from their homes and (last I checked) at least 20 deaths, with half of those being civilians. Literally just within a couple days after we withdraw troops, Turkey basically declares war as some Kurds fight back and others abandon posts, like those imprisoning ISIS fighters. Bu..bu..but WHY would Trump make this type of sporadic phone call agreement with the President of Turkey???? So you're suggesting we go to war with a NATO ally? ***** awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So you're suggesting we go to war with a NATO ally? ***** awesome! Funny. I said war? Weird... don't see that anywhere in what I said. The onus of these attacks is clearly primarily on Turkey. Trump, who stood behind a locked door for them to happen, just unlocked, opened the door and walked out to let them in. And I think it's strange for you Trump folks to defend NATO when that's one of those alliances it's pretty clear agent Orange could do without. If our troops remained and Turkey attacked the way they are now, that would have been an act of war against America on THEIR part. And I wonder if that's what Erdogan said he was going to do in that phone call and our paper tiger President just rolled over. But these economic threats on his part right now look reeEEAAAlly effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Funny. I said war? Weird... don't see that anywhere in what I said. The onus of these attacks is clearly primarily on Turkey. Trump, who stood behind a locked door for them to happen, just unlocked, opened the door and walked out to let them in. And I think it's strange for you Trump folks to defend NATO when that's one of those alliances it's pretty clear agent Orange could do without. If our troops remained and Turkey attacked the way they are now, that would have been an act of war against America on THEIR part. And I wonder if that's what Erdogan said he was going to do in that phone call and our paper tiger President just rolled over. But these economic threats on his part right now look reeEEAAAlly effective War? Where did you say that? Ummm in your fifth line of this post I'm quoting. (EDIT) Whoops the sixth line. Missed your very deep and thought provoking first line. And regarding the bold above. I guess you don't realize we don't blindly follow every step "Agent Orange" (good one) takes. As a matter of fact us on the right (noticed I didn't call us "Trump Folks") are his biggest critiques. He's an ass but boy do we love how he's set all of your hair on fire. That's truly what we love about him. Edited October 10, 2019 by Chef Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What a scumbag. Trump, with a phone call agreement and abrupt withdrawal of troops, has now made our country directly responsible for at least 100,000 civilians to be displaced from their homes and (last I checked) at least 20 deaths, with half of those being civilians. Literally just within a couple days after we withdraw troops, Turkey basically declares war as some Kurds fight back and others abandon posts, like those imprisoning ISIS fighters. Bu..bu..but WHY would Trump make this type of sporadic phone call agreement with the President of Turkey???? No, our country is not directly responsible. Directly responsible would be the people who took the positive action. Follow up question: should the United States be the police force of the world? Because that’s the alternative. It’s amazing how fast liberals became neo-cons in their zeal to oppose this President. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan currently lacks the forces to take more than an a narrow sliver of border. He may be reliant on proxies for infantry. Air will be his most potent weapon. https://amp.dw.com/en/explained-why-turkey-wants-a-military-assault-on-syrian-kurds/a-50731834?__twitter_impression=true … wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan's biggest long term stick are the millions of refugees he threatens to settle on the to be conquered zone who he alternatively threatens to send to Europe. But this is likely to be the seed of future war. wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago We may be watching the end of Erdogan not the end of the Kurds. The Turks may dent the border but how will they hold It? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan currently lacks the forces to take more than an a narrow sliver of border. He may be reliant on proxies for infantry. Air will be his most potent weapon. https://amp.dw.com/en/explained-why-turkey-wants-a-military-assault-on-syrian-kurds/a-50731834?__twitter_impression=true … wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan's biggest long term stick are the millions of refugees he threatens to settle on the to be conquered zone who he alternatively threatens to send to Europe. But this is likely to be the seed of future war. wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago We may be watching the end of Erdogan not the end of the Kurds. The Turks may dent the border but how will they hold It? Actually, the biggest near-term problem will be the influx of Kurdish refugees into northern Iraq. This is not and never was just a "Syria/Turkey" issue. It's important to remember that all those borders are largely theoretical. Edited October 10, 2019 by DC Tom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Let's also not forget that there are three different Kurdish groups in Syria that are internationally designated terrorist organizations - the KPP, the YPG, and Ansar al-Islam. Which, not coincidentally, are who the Turkish are fighting. Primarily the KPP, which has been recognized as a terrorist organization by all of NATO since the 80s. It's funny how no one wants to talk about that, especially the KPP and 44's promotion of them to the forefront of the Kurd/US alliance (which, while controversial, allowed him to hide an even worse alliance between AQ and US forces in theater). 35 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Funny. I said war? Weird... don't see that anywhere in what I said. The onus of these attacks is clearly primarily on Turkey. Trump, who stood behind a locked door for them to happen, just unlocked, opened the door and walked out to let them in. And I think it's strange for you Trump folks to defend NATO when that's one of those alliances it's pretty clear agent Orange could do without. If our troops remained and Turkey attacked the way they are now, that would have been an act of war against America on THEIR part. And I wonder if that's what Erdogan said he was going to do in that phone call and our paper tiger President just rolled over. But these economic threats on his part right now look reeEEAAAlly effective The bolded just proves you've never bothered to understand a thing about the past three years -- really 17 years. 19 minutes ago, B-Man said: wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan currently lacks the forces to take more than an a narrow sliver of border. He may be reliant on proxies for infantry. Air will be his most potent weapon. https://amp.dw.com/en/explained-why-turkey-wants-a-military-assault-on-syrian-kurds/a-50731834?__twitter_impression=true … wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago Erdogan's biggest long term stick are the millions of refugees he threatens to settle on the to be conquered zone who he alternatively threatens to send to Europe. But this is likely to be the seed of future war. wretchardthecat @wretchardthecat 20h20 hours ago We may be watching the end of Erdogan not the end of the Kurds. The Turks may dent the border but how will they hold It? ... Funny how that works. It's almost like the US/GCC/Israel have been preparing for this for two years. Arming, training, funding the Kurds while Turkey got decimated the last time they tried to go into Syria (while we were still there btw). They haven't recovered from that ass kicking, and other than their edge in the air (which is extensive), they have no real ability to wage a sustained war at the moment. But WE MUST HELP THE KURDS! (dummies, we have been all along) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: As a matter of fact us on the right (noticed I didn't call us "Trump Folks") are his biggest critiques 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: He's an ass but boy do we love how he's set all of your hair on fire. That's truly what we love about him. Yes, it's a hoot how he undermines the constitution, breaks the law, invites foreign interference in our elections and lies constantly. That's really something for a group of people that pretend to be patriotic to laugh about. Shame, shame, shame! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Reminder: Turkish ground forces still have not recovered from this disaster last winter: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/04/world/middleeast/turkey-afrin-syria.html (some prop footage) Additional reminder: almost universally, every talking head on cable news and writing op-eds have been spectacularly wrong nearly every time on any issue regarding our foreign policy/regime change/perma war policies. Every time. Not just under 45, but also under 44, 43, 42 -- not just neocons, but neoliberals as well. But this time, despite ignoring the realities on the ground for the past three years in favor of "RUSSIA!", they got it right? Nope. Expect LOTS of disinformation over the next several weeks about casualty counts. This has been in the works for a number of months, and a crucial part of that preparation has been the strengthening of local allies in the region to handle their security. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Reminder: Turkish ground forces still have not recovered from this disaster last winter: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/04/world/middleeast/turkey-afrin-syria.html (some prop footage) Additional reminder: almost universally, every talking head on cable news and writing op-eds have been spectacularly wrong nearly every time on any issue regarding our foreign policy/regime change/perma war policies. Every time. Not just under 45, but also under 44, 43, 42 -- not just neocons, but neoliberals as well. But this time, despite ignoring the realities on the ground for the past three years in favor of "RUSSIA!", they got it right? Nope. Expect LOTS of disinformation over the next several weeks about casualty counts. This has been in the works for a number of months, and a crucial part of that preparation has been the strengthening of local allies in the region to handle their security. Yeah...the Turks could not have moved as soon as they did without forewarning. Which means this was planned, probably starting a minimum of four weeks ago. The media's been caught flat-footed, but are so out of touch with reality that they can't begin to understand that them not knowing doesn't mean it wasn't planned. Have to go back and look at the news from late summer, to see which US officials were visiting Turkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Yes, it's a hoot how he undermines the constitution, breaks the law, invites foreign interference in our elections and lies constantly. That's really something for a group of people that pretend to be patriotic to laugh about. Shame, shame, shame! Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Go away. Wrong species. Here is Tibsy and Q-baby after a long hard day of changing the subject in all the threads............. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: War? Where did you say that? Ummm in your fifth line of this post I'm quoting. (EDIT) Whoops the sixth line. Missed your very deep and thought provoking first line. And regarding the bold above. I guess you don't realize we don't blindly follow every step "Agent Orange" (good one) takes. As a matter of fact us on the right (noticed I didn't call us "Trump Folks") are his biggest critiques. He's an ass but boy do we love how he's set all of your hair on fire. That's truly what we love about him. I see your misunderstanding. What I'm suggesting is that Trump is a jackass who just allowed Turkey to declare war on neighboring Syria because we opened the door for them to do that. And regarding your 2nd paragraph... those of you on the right are Trump's biggest critics? Oh man... thanks for that... didn't have my good laugh today, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: No, our country is not directly responsible. Directly responsible would be the people who took the positive action. Read my very next post please 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Follow up question: should the United States be the police force of the world? Because that’s the alternative. It’s amazing how fast liberals became neo-cons in their zeal to oppose this President. That's not the only alternative, but this is largely what the United States has been through the last century. I get that there's this desperate attempt to turn inward because of big bad globalization, but abandoning a force like the Kurds that the US largely trained and who were massively responsible for (as Donald Trump would claim we have) "defeating ISIS" is misguided, short-sighted, and goes against American values of protecting our allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What I'm suggesting is that Trump is a jackass who just allowed Turkey to declare war on neighboring Syria because we opened the door for them to do that. Might I suggest you know nothing about local politics in Syria. It’s so easy for Americans to play judge and jury on people and nations on the other side of the planet. Turkey hasn’t declared war on anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Might I suggest you know nothing about local politics in Syria. It’s so easy for Americans to play judge and jury on people and nations on the other side of the planet. Turkey hasn’t declared war on anyone. It's not just the US And read what I wrote. I didn't say they've declared formal war... but does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: What I'm suggesting is that Trump is a jackass who just allowed Turkey to declare war on neighboring Syria because we opened the door for them to do that. This is false, and a very shallow understanding of the geopolitical realities on the ground. 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: I get that there's this desperate attempt to turn inward because of big bad globalization, but abandoning a force like the Kurds that the US largely trained and who were massively responsible for (as Donald Trump would claim we have) "defeating ISIS" is misguided, short-sighted, and goes against American values of protecting our allies. More falsehoods. No one was abandoned. We spent years training, arming, and preparing for precisely this reality. You're being misled, by the same people who swore there was WMD in Iraq, that the US Gov't wasn't illegally spying on its citizens, and that Trump and Russia worked together to steal an election. These people you're putting stock into have yet to be correct about a major US foreign policy decision in the past two decades... But this one they got right? Nope. Stop falling for their nonsense. They think you're stupid and you keep proving them correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Read my very next post please That's not the only alternative, but this is largely what the United States has been through the last century. I get that there's this desperate attempt to turn inward because of big bad globalization, but abandoning a force like the Kurds that the US largely trained and who were massively responsible for (as Donald Trump would claim we have) "defeating ISIS" is misguided, short-sighted, and goes against American values of protecting our allies. The Kurds are not being abandoned. They have been trained and supplied for several years now with the purpose being self-sustainability. The alternative is, whether you care to admit it or not, a permanent American military presence in areas of the world which don’t behave the way Americans want them to. A denial of the sovereignty of nations. A declaration that all other states are simply vassals. As to globalism? Globalism is inevitable. Technology integrates all economies and allows all peoples to interact, should governments not interfere in that communication. But globalism doesn’t need to mean a loss of sovereignty. Just as I abhor the idea of forcing other nations into vassal status with our occupation; I also abhor the idea of subjecting America to international laws, surrendering our own sovereignty to the collective will of nations whose interests may not be our own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump said the Kurds didn’t help us at Normandy in WW 2 Is he wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Is he wrong? Nope I'm just surprised he didn't bring up their alarming like of assistance during the Revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Nope I'm just surprised he didn't bring up their alarming like of assistance during the Revolution. Yes, the lack of effort by the Kurds to help us take British airports during the campaign season of 1780 was quite disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: Yes, the lack of effort by the Kurds to help us take British airports during the campaign season of 1780 was quite disturbing. The little known composition of the Kurds who joined forces with Francis Marion, also known as the Swamp Fox made life miserable for general Cornwallis, taking his dogs in the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The Kurds are not being abandoned. They have been trained and supplied for several years now with the purpose being self-sustainability. The alternative is, whether you care to admit it or not, a permanent American military presence in areas of the world which don’t behave the way Americans want them to. A denial of the sovereignty of nations. A declaration that all other states are simply vassals. I'm not making a case for us staying but it seems that the decision to withdraw was made quickly and without much if any warning to the Kurds. If we trained and supplied them wouldn't it be best to let them know our intentions well in advance so they could adjust and prepare as needed? Did we just leave them to be blindsided? Don't know. Edited October 11, 2019 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I'm not making a case for us staying but it seems that the decision to withdraw was made quickly and without much if any warning to the Kurds. If we trained and supplied them wouldn't it be best to let them know our intentions well in advance so they could adjust and prepare as needed? Did we just leave them to be blindsided? Don't know. 1) It wasn't made quickly. 2) Which Kurds? The KPP, PKSK, DPAK, RIK, HK, PZK, HEP, HADEP, HEPKAR, PYD, YPS, TKP/ML, or any of the other 70+ Kurdish organizations in the region? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The Kurds are not being abandoned. They have been trained and supplied for several years now with the purpose being self-sustainability. The alternative is, whether you care to admit it or not, a permanent American military presence in areas of the world which don’t behave the way Americans want them to. A denial of the sovereignty of nations. A declaration that all other states are simply vassals. As to globalism? Globalism is inevitable. Technology integrates all economies and allows all peoples to interact, should governments not interfere in that communication. But globalism doesn’t need to mean a loss of sovereignty. Just as I abhor the idea of forcing other nations into vassal status with our occupation; I also abhor the idea of subjecting America to international laws, surrendering our own sovereignty to the collective will of nations whose interests may not be our own. Man. I sure will give you your undying devotion to Trump. Have fun with that. You clearly don't see the inherent problem here. This wasn't a binary choice and, for some ungodly reason, that's what you're making it out to be. Edited October 11, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) THE BETRAYAL OF THE KURDS, A PLAY IN 73 ACTS: Trump’s Betrayal of the Kurds May Be the Dumbest Move of His Presidency. Obama Betrays The Kurds. Bush Betrays The Kurds. [Bill Clinton’s] US abandoned us, say Kurds. A People Betrayed: Twice Before, Washington Let Kurds Die to Promote Foreign Policy Designs. Now It’s The [George H.W.] Bush Administration Doing The Deed. I surprised that I could post this...................................I am still shaking with laughter at Transplant's hilariously stupid reply , claiming DC Tom's response is due to his "undying devotion to Trump" Just beyond ignorance...................gator-like almost. ? Edited October 11, 2019 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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