Chilly Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You people DO understand that our offensive line pass blocking wise is a miserable disaster, our receiving corps is made of GLASS, our best player on offense is also injured not to mention our defensive backs are absolutely disgusting, right?! This is exactly how I see it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â Â Â Not trolling, guys. Â I'm not saying EJ is a great QB. I'm saying he's better than Tyrod. Every starter in the NFL is better than Tyrod. And some backups. Including ours. But he's not though, that's the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 But he's not though, that's the thing. Â No? Taylor's pretty godawful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â It's actually 197 for the only season he started (his rookie season). Â TT is in his 6th year and currently has a 185 YPG, by the way. TT is in his second year as a starter... Â you don't get to pick and choose which stats to apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 But he's not though, that's the thing. Â That's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that EJ is a better QB than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Would love it, but I've moved on. The EJ ship has sailed. We didn't develop him and honestly most of the blame goes to the selfish Marrone move to completely disregard our future in favor of a retired QB. Â I do find it amusing though the amount of excuses that Tyrod gets, when EJ had about as much slack as an inch worm. For pure hypocrisy's sake...in the infamous Jags game, our starting WRs were Woods, Easley and Danarius Moore. I Never saw a single person complain about the WRs (as they shouldn't have). If Taylor played with 1/10th the heart that EJ has I think maybe I'd actually feel like we could cross the 50 yard line late in games. This. I think EJ should be extremely glad to get out of Buffalo, and I think he has a good chance to become a starting QB and succeed on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Am I the only one that can see clearly he's trolling? No see my post above yours. Â It's not even clever trolling because it's so obviously ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Â No? Taylor's pretty godawful. Bills weapons on offense vs New England:Â Tyrod Taylor's legs. Â Â Bills weapons on offense vs Seattle: Â Tyrod Taylor's legs Shady McCoy (maybe) Â I don't see how removing Tyrod Taylor's legs helps. EJ isn't a threat to run, we have no one to catch a pass. Edited October 31, 2016 by Chilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 TT is in his second year as a starter... Â you don't get to pick and choose which stats to apply. Â This is glorious. Never has someone used fewer words to completely contradict themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 It's all really simple - we still don't have a QB. TT is a QB that needs great players around him to cover his flaws; EJ as much as I like the guy was a huge reach in an awful class and he flat out sucks. If we didn't grab him, we could have went after Carr in 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Would love it, but I've moved on. The EJ ship has sailed. We didn't develop him and honestly most of the blame goes to the selfish Marrone move to completely disregard our future in favor of a retired QB. Â I do find it amusing though the amount of excuses that Tyrod gets, when EJ had about as much slack as an inch worm. For pure hypocrisy's sake...in the infamous Jags game, our starting WRs were Woods, Easley and Danarius Moore. I Never saw a single person complain about the WRs (as they shouldn't have). If Taylor played with 1/10th the heart that EJ has I think maybe I'd actually feel like we could cross the 50 yard line late in games. Â Woods, Easley and Moore looks like a dream team compared to what we fielded yesterday: hobbled Woods, a couple quarters of Powell, Hunter, concussed Tate and...RUNNING BACK REGGIE BUSH IN THE SLOT (also injured). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 EJ Manuel sucks, stop it already with the "he's better than Tyrod" bullcrap. It's seriously the dumbest argument ever. Can't even believe this is actually being talked about in a serious manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Bills weapons on offense vs New England: Â Tyrod Taylor's legs. Â Â Bills weapons on offense vs Seattle: Â Tyrod Taylor's legs Shady McCoy (maybe) Â I don't see how removing Tyrod Taylor's legs helps. EJ isn't a threat to run, we have no one to catch a pass. Â I've said it in other threads: Â THE problem with TT is that he needs EVERYTHING around him to be working properly to aspire to average. So, when one thing goes south, he does too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â That's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that EJ is a better QB than Tyrod. Taylor is 12-10 as a starter; Manuel 6-10. Taylor is decidedly better than Manuel with respect to every conceivable passing statistic there is used to measure a QB's performance. Taylor is also the most elusive and dynamic running QB in the NFL. Taylor's receiving corps yesterday consisted of a hobbled Robert Woods, Walt Powell, Brandon Tate and Justin Hunter. He was good enough in his first season as a starter that he has earned and deserves a look with a real receiving corps next season (Watkins + 1st round pick + Alshon Jeffrey). If he still struggles with real weapons, it would be time to move on. But not to EJ Manuel, who is a career backup and will be on another team anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â Is this seriously an argument? Â It's like arguing which was the better Jaws sequel. Â Perfect analogy! They're all so wonderfully crappy. Â Let me try: Â Jaws 2: EJ Manuel is definitely Jaws 2. There are a lot of deaths, most of the series. Jaws 3D: Tyrod Taylor. Crazy idea of a film. Overly ambitious. All flash, no substance - but man oh man, it was in 3D! Â Jaws 4: Kyle Orton. I've never seen it, but Michael Caine only acted in it for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â That's a matter of opinion. My opinion is that EJ is a better QB than Tyrod. You are certainly welcome to your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You are certainly welcome to your opinion  I'd argue that most people have been unwelcoming to this opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanOverChin Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 No. Â Just because the Taylor-led Bills couldn't handle the Brady-led pats doesn't mean that they can't handle the rest of the NFL. Â The Bills need to get healthy. Taylor needs his weapons back. He needs McCoy. He needs Watkins. He needs a healthy R. Woods and C. Clay. Â Then let's see what happens. Â Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â I've said it in other threads: Â THE problem with TT is that he needs EVERYTHING around him to be working properly to aspire to average. So, when one thing goes south, he does too. Â I'm not convinced as TT as a long-term QB, I don't know if he's good enough because he's not a QB that can win a shootout and you need that sometimes in the NFL. I do know he's the best option we have right now. Guys like EJ are even more dependent. EJ can't escape pressure like Tyrod does and EJ doesn't have the threat that TT's legs do. Right now, even if EJ was a better passer, we have zero weapons to take advantage of it. Â The state of the offense is dire and it starts with the worst WR group in the entire NFL. We have zero weapons outside of Sammy and Sammy is hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â I'd argue that most people have been unwelcoming to this opinion. Only the reactionary people who cant see the situation for what is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Only the reactionary people who cant see the situation for what is..... Â Is it reactionary if you've been saying it all along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Utter nonsense. He kept us in that game and had nothing but scrubs to throw to, and a secondary that was getting burned all day. Â Or do you just want another player to crusade against in two weeks when he doesn't look like Brady? "Kept us in the game". Smoke another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 It's time for a coach that can do something substantial when a microphone isn't in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â I'd argue that most people have been unwelcoming to this opinion. I don't know about unwelcoming, but I think a lot of people have difficulty understanding that opinion when he is statistically worse in every relevant category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 It's time for a coach that can do something substantial when a microphone isn't in front of him ...or a dinner plate. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â Perfect analogy! They're all so wonderfully crappy. Â Let me try: Â Jaws 2: EJ Manuel is definitely Jaws 2. There are a lot of deaths, most of the series. Jaws 3D: Tyrod Taylor. Crazy idea of a film. Overly ambitious. All flash, no substance - but man oh man, it was in 3D! Â Jaws 4: Kyle Orton. I've never seen it, but Michael Caine only acted in it for the money. I can't find his original post to respond to but clearly neither of you have watched the Jaws sequels. Jaws 2 is a very decent film. Obviously not in the conversation with the original, which is, obviously, a top 5 film ever made. But not a bad film at all. Still filmed on MV, you still have Chief Brody, the Mayor, and Hendricks. Jaws 3 is maybe the worst film ever made. Jaws 4 is also deplorable but not quite as bad as 3. But there is no debate whatsoever- Jaws 2 is far and away the best of the Jaws sequels. Just as there is no debate that Taylor is a way better QB than Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I can't find his original post to respond to but clearly neither of you have watched the Jaws sequels. Jaws 2 is a very decent film. Obviously not in the conversation with the original, which is, obviously, a top 5 film ever made. But not a bad film at all. Still filmed on MV, you still have Chief Brody, the Mayor, and Hendricks. Jaws 3 is maybe the worst film ever made. Jaws 4 is also deplorable but not quite as bad as 3. But there is no debate whatsoever- Jaws 2 is far and away the best of the Jaws sequels. Just as there is no debate that Taylor is a way better QB than Manuel. A win will settle things down....Seattle is NOT the patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The one thing he's got going for him right now is ball security. You switch QB's at this point and that likely goes right out the window. does not get enough credit for this! This is a yuuuge plus for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Love watching you guys argue over who sucks worse.  Late breaking news flash, Taylor sucks  Cant read the field  Who sucks worse is anyones guess Edited October 31, 2016 by Lex Lyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 It would make more sense to call for the return of Orrin than EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Love watching you guys argue over who sucks worse.  Late breaking news flash, Taylor sucks  Cant read the field  Who sucks worse is anyones guess You guys are crazy. This is dumb. I still think Gugny is delighting in a master trolling campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Enough excuses. Â Tyrod is simply not a good QB. Â I don't care if he was good in college. I don't care if we have injuries. I don't care that our defense sucks. I don't care if he was in the Pro Bowl. Â All of those facts have nothing to do with his ineptitude. Â He's not good. Â He can't read a defense. He holds the ball WAAAY too long. He can't find open receivers. When he finds them, he can't throw an accurate pass. There is no such things as YAC, because he either throws behind them or the need to scoop them off of their shoelaces. Captain Checkdown?? Schit, he's an Admiral. Â I don't think EJ is a great QB, either. But he is better than Tyrod Taylor. Why not put a QB out there who gives us a better chance at winning, albeit not a lot better? Â The only other option is to throw Cardale in, but that would be tanking the season and I don't want that. Â This offense is embarrassing. It's pathetic. It's ineffective and it is absolutely no fun to watch. Â And it all comes down to crappy play at the most important position on the field. Â Tyrod needs to be benched and EJ should be the starter. Â Go Bills. Everything you just described about Tyrod was what every fan was screaming about EJ up to last season. Â You forget receivers throwing their hands up when EJ couldn't hit them on a simple hitch. The frustrating sacks for holding the ball too long. And EJ can't hold a candle to Tyrods mobility. EJ would have never been able to extend some of the great plays Taylor had made. And the interceptions and fumbles... Â Sure Tyrod missed some guys. But he also had some key drops for big yardage. Bottom line this is a different team without Shady, and nothing EJ could do would change that. Â The Pats scored 41. That's not a total that many teams could overcome, especially against a Belicheck coached team. Tyrod didn't throw a pick six so that's all on the D. Â Tyrod is the best QB on the team and provides the greatest upside. We were all raving about him when he was making amazing plays downfield and avoiding sacks when we were winning. A couple weeks doesn't change that. Â We put EJ in now and you can kiss the season goodbye. He's horrible, and his talent simply doesn't match up to Taylor's regardless of what happened this past sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 does not get enough credit for this! This is a yuuuge plus for him  IMO, he gets TOO much credit for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You guys are crazy. This is dumb. I still think Gugny is delighting in a master trolling campaign. 37th ranked qb in ypg out of 32 teams and you wanna call it trolling ? Â Okie Dokie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 37th ranked qb in ypg out of 32 teams and you wanna call it trolling ? Â Okie Dokie. Â No one here has yet explained to me how Taylor's escaped the same vitriol that was directed at previous bills QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Â No one here has yet explained to me how Taylor's escaped the same vitriol that was directed at previous bills QBs. Its cause EJ was a first round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Its cause EJ was a first round pick  You may be on to something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Dude we were behind only one shortly before the half. Â I count five catchable deep balls that weren't hauled in. And Chris Hogan burned us multiple times. Chris Hogan. Â Tyrod did not lose this game. Stop it already. Â Â "Kept us in the game". Smoke another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Any of you fellas aware of any 7'4" free agent WRs/TEs (preferably with a 50 inch vertical leap) we can kick the tires on?Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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