mrags Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 How many games has he actually been healthy for though? Remember the month of November 2014 when we needed him for a wildcard push? He went invisible, tallying something like 12 catches and 100 yards for the entire month. The rallying cry around here was "He's hurt!! He's injured! He's still a great decoy!!" That's just one example. I'd take a guess and say for ~40% of his games there's been some nagging injury that's slowed him down, and it doesn't look like that percentage is going to get any better this year. ding!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 He's missed 6 career games so far counting Sunday. It was a bad pick Promo, please dont try to defend it. It is a pick that should cost Whaley his job at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 It was a bad pick Promo, please dont try to defend it. It is a pick that should cost Whaley his job at the end of this season. and not just on the Sammy pick alone. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Man I wish we would have drafted OB. Worst #1 pick ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Man I wish we would have drafted OB. Worst #1 pick ever Erik Flowers, Aaron Maybin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 5 as a percentage of 35. The comment was about Connolly playing in only 1/3 of the games he was a Sabre. While Sammy has played in more than that to this point, signs point to him missing some more time this year. Assuming he is sidelined for sognificant time, he will be pretty close to Timmys numbers. I also add in the games that he's played when not at 100% and basically was useless in those games. Like the first few games last year. Like the first 2 this season. Etc. Well if you're counting useless games then Timmy had 3 full seasons missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 He's missed 6 career games so far counting Sunday. Wow just 6? The board would have you believe hes missing 6 games per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 No question he's been nicked up, and I never denied that. The poster said that he couldn't stay on the field, which (up until this year) simply wasn't true. Again, I've only ever said that the criticisms we level against him should make sense. Durability and ROI are totally reasonable talking points IMO. Productivity and availability up to this season aren't. I think availability is a major issue, and that's my point. I don't count a #1 WR acting as a decoy for a month as "available." Is he technically on the field? Sure, but that's a bit disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) He's still on our team for another 2 years. Injuries suck - but I'm not about trading a guy who's value is at an all time low (not to mention creating a more massive hole). There's not much to discuss... There's plenty of ammo to fire whaley, but this is the first time in ages that we arent constantly losing/recycling our best players. So the roster is relatively talented. Yes - we could use a QB, but we need to time it right and not desperately chase one. Edited September 30, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Flowers was terrible and so was Maybin but I think Mike Williams OT Texas was the worst # 1 pick. 4th overall pick. Flowers was 26 and Maybin I believe was 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 He's still on our team for another 2 years. Injuries suck - but I'm not about trading a guy who's value is at an all time low (not to mention creating a more massive hole). There's not much to discuss...i haven't read the whole thread - someone wants to trade Sammy Watkins because he is hurt? Crazy town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Erik Flowers, Aaron Maybin.... Mike Williams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think availability is a major issue, and that's my point. I don't count a #1 WR acting as a decoy for a month as "available." Is he technically on the field? Sure, but that's a bit disingenuous. Now hang on, are we attributing his lack of production during that stretch solely to injury? I'm not sure how you determine that. Orton had a big dropoff in efficiency after the Jets game. Combine that with an uptick in rushing productivity, a nagging injury, the rookie, wall, and the general ebb and flow of a WR's production, and it's unsurprising to me. Sammy had 4 games as a rookie in which he was targeted 10 or more times...3 of them came before that stretch and one came after. It doesn't follow as a logical progression that the injury would simply go away despite him not missing any games, so why would his productivity suddenly jump as December rolled around? Obviously, we can't say for certain, but it certainly appeared that an increased effort to get him the ball was the issue...same as last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Well if you're counting useless games then Timmy had 3 full seasons missed.yeah. But Timmy wasn't a first round pick by the Sabres. They didn't give away 2 first rounders and a 4th to get him. They traded away an aging Michael Peca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 It's funny how similar Watkins and Juilliard Jones careers are. Jones missed 3 games in his first 2 years and then missed 11 in his 3rd year because of the foot fracture. Guess Julio Jones is a kitty too, according to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Am I really reading comparisons between Sammy and Tim Connolly? OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 It's funny how similar Watkins and Juilliard Jones careers are. Jones missed 3 games in his first 2 years and then missed 11 in his 3rd year because of the foot fracture. Guess Julio Jones is a kitty too, according to some. it is ridiculous. AJ green had foot problems too. Eventually they get better, they come back, and they are great. The problem is not Sammy. The problem is the lack of depth behind him to fill in while he is out coupled with the level of QB play to elevate the play of those WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 yeah. But Timmy wasn't a first round pick by the Sabres. They didn't give away 2 first rounders and a 4th to get him. They traded away an aging Michael Peca.no in that case comparing Goodwin to Connolly would be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 it is ridiculous. AJ green had foot problems too. Eventually they get better, they come back, and they are great. The problem is not Sammy. The problem is the lack of depth behind him to fill in while he is out coupled with the level of QB play to elevate the play of those WRs. I mean even done to the numbers they have put up and equivalent points in their career. But I agree, the lack of depth is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I just want to say take as long as you need Sammy. Even if that means missing this season in order to get back to 100%. We know how talented you are and it is worth waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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