Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) If you could have one of them for the entirety of their career, who do you take. Tom Brady or Bill Belichick? Edited September 23, 2016 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I guess Bill. He can win with any QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 BB. His career will be longer than Brady's and he touches all aspects of the organization. Brady just throws the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Is this poll asking who I would rather punch in the face? I'll never understand coveting the enemy. I HATE them and want to beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Is this asking who's better, who we'd like on our team, or who we'd like to "retire" to a remote section of the Atlantic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 We all would have wanted Belichick fired 2 years into his career but we would have commissioned a statue for Brady 4 games into his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Bellicheat. Dude knows how to win, knows how to bend/break the rules and get away with it. Record is looking crazy rite now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Easy.... The coach never gets hurt and cant coach, and the duration of his career is significantly longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I guess Bill. He can win with any QB As someone who thinks Belichick is overrated because he has Brady, I gotta say I'm really impressed by his job this year. That said, he's never won a playoff game with a qb not name Brady. Plenty of scrub Qbs have won regular season games. But a tip of the hat to the guy who dresses like a homeless guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 As someone who thinks Belichick is overrated because he has Brady, I gotta say I'm really impressed by his job this year. That said, he's never won a playoff game with a qb not name Brady. Plenty of scrub Qbs have won regular season games. But a tip of the hat to the guy who dresses like a homeless guy. C. Biscuit: Man, do not his coordinating stints with the Giants, Pats, and Jets count? Also, he went 11-5 in the Cassell season, and I think that may be the only time this century an 11-5 team didn't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I've always stressed on this fact, Brady is a system guy. Not saying that Brady isn't great because he is lets not get it misconstrued but that BB is MVP of that team and he always has and will be. Rex Ryan could learn a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I've always stressed on this fact, Brady is a system guy. Not saying that Brady isn't great because he is lets not get it misconstrued but that BB is MVP of that team and he always has and will be. Rex Ryan could learn a few things. It's Brady's system though - he basically took it from Charlie Weis and perfected it himself, and every OC there afterward has catered to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 It's Brady's system though - he basically took it from Charlie Weis and perfected it himself, and every OC there afterward has catered to it. That's why so many WR fail in the system, you have to be extremely smart and be able to diagnose D like a QB. I was shocked how well Moss did, of course he was a freak of nature talent wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 That's why so many WR fail in the system, you have to be extremely smart and be able to diagnose D like a QB. I was shocked how well Moss did, of course he was a freak of nature talent wise. Yep, you need to be a rocket scientist- like gronk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Still Brady. Although past couple of weeks have only confirmed my opinion that the Bills have been going up against the best HC AND QB of all time for the past 15 years. Yep, you need to be a rocket scientist- like gronk... Just read a great article (maybe on MMQB) that talked about how opposing coaches have all said Gronk is the smartest TE they've ever faced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Just read a great article (maybe on MMQB) that talked about how opposing coaches have all said Gronk is the smartest TE they've ever faced. Sounds like a Deadspin article to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I've always stressed on this fact, Brady is a system guy. Not saying that Brady isn't great because he is lets not get it misconstrued but that BB is MVP of that team and he always has and will be. Rex Ryan could learn a few things. How would anyone know this to be so if we've only ever seen Brady in BB's system and never performing out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Just read a great article (maybe on MMQB) that talked about how opposing coaches have all said Gronk is the smartest TE they've ever faced. It kills me every time Gronk (a guy from Buffalo) catches a pass against us and helps the Pats beat us. Painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I am really surprised by the overwhelming votes saying belichick. He is an amazing coach, and maybe the best ever but a hall of fame QB is more valuable. The patriots have been playing great with back up QBS, but do you actually think they could sustain that when opposing coaches get more game film on garoloppo or brissett? It has been 1.5 games for Jimmy and one for Brisett, I can almost guarantee defences would figure those guys out especially Brisett after some more game tape. My answer will always be a great QB over a great coach, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I am really surprised by the overwhelming votes saying belichick. He is an amazing coach, and maybe the best ever but a hall of fame QB is more valuable. The patriots have been playing great with back up QBS, but do you actually think they could sustain that when opposing coaches get more game film on garoloppo or brissett? It has been 1.5 games for Jimmy and one for Brisett, I can almost guarantee defences would figure those guys out especially Brisett after some more game tape. My answer will always be a great QB over a great coach, just my opinion. He did it for a whole season in 2009. Yes Brady gets NE an extra couple wins each year but BB is the architect. Regardless of who is playing QB, look at the way he constructs game plans, how he exploits what is given to him, how well prepared his players are for any situation. When was the last time a guy on the field for NE looked "lost"? It just never happens in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 He did it for a whole season in 2009. Yes Brady gets NE an extra couple wins each year but BB is the architect. Regardless of who is playing QB, look at the way he constructs game plans, how he exploits what is given to him, how well prepared his players are for any situation. When was the last time a guy on the field for NE looked "lost"? It just never happens in NE. Ya and they missed the playoffs. They went 11-5 which is very good but on a extremely soft schedule. Just look at it this way. Belichick has made the playoffs every single year with Brady since 2003 I believe (maybe even earlier). The one year Brady got Injured, he missed the playoffs. And on top of that Cassel was a very competent QB from 2008-2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I am really surprised by the overwhelming votes saying belichick. He is an amazing coach, and maybe the best ever but a hall of fame QB is more valuable. The patriots have been playing great with back up QBS, but do you actually think they could sustain that when opposing coaches get more game film on garoloppo or brissett? It has been 1.5 games for Jimmy and one for Brisett, I can almost guarantee defences would figure those guys out especially Brisett after some more game tape. My answer will always be a great QB over a great coach, just my opinion. Sorry, just think you're flat out wrong on this one. I've seen enough with Matt Cassel, Jimmy G and now a rookie on a short week winning 27-0 against a 2-0 team. Not to mention the amount of times the Pats have won when Brady wasn't on his game or the game plan was geared toward winning with a heavy dose of the run. Sure, Brady has thrown the team on his back before and won the game for them, but that's not to say they wouldn't have won with another QB with a totally different game plan to utilize that players strengths. It actually amazes me that more coaches don't take this approach and is reason #1 for the Bills struggles. Too many times coaches try to fit their players to the scheme instead of fitting the scheme to your players strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Belichick is greatest HC of all time. Brady is the greatest QB of all time. These two statements are both mutually exclusive. So, when you have the greatest HC of all time paired up with greatest QB of all time you have the greatest “system” of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Belichick is greatest HC of all time. Brady is the greatest QB of all time. These two statements are both mutually exclusive. So, when you have the greatest HC of all time paired up with greatest QB of all time you have the greatest system of all time. There needs to be a like button!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 There needs to be a like button!! Even to the detractors, it's plainly obvious by now. And, if it isn't, it will be by the time they hang em up and call it quits. It's more a time thingy now than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Sorry, just think you're flat out wrong on this one. I've seen enough with Matt Cassel, Jimmy G and now a rookie on a short week winning 27-0 against a 2-0 team. Not to mention the amount of times the Pats have won when Brady wasn't on his game or the game plan was geared toward winning with a heavy dose of the run. Sure, Brady has thrown the team on his back before and won the game for them, but that's not to say they wouldn't have won with another QB with a totally different game plan to utilize that players strengths. It actually amazes me that more coaches don't take this approach and is reason #1 for the Bills struggles. Too many times coaches try to fit their players to the scheme instead of fitting the scheme to your players strengths. Belichick is an amazing coach. But just remember, the one year Brady was injured what happened? They missed the playoffs. That is no coincidence. A QB is always more valuable than a head coach. Matt cassel also had some very good years with the chiefs if you recall. Made the playoffs 2 years with them I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I guess Bill. He can win with any QB Except Bernie Kosar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Is this poll asking who I would rather punch in the face? I'll never understand coveting the enemy. I HATE them and want to beat them same. But I'll take some of the enemies coordinators. Belichick is an amazing coach. But just remember, the one year Brady was injured what happened? They missed the playoffs. That is no coincidence. A QB is always more valuable than a head coach. Matt cassel also had some very good years with the chiefs if you recall. Made the playoffs 2 years with them I believe They missed the playoffs with Cassel, but did win 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 C. Biscuit: Man, do not his coordinating stints with the Giants, Pats, and Jets count? Also, he went 11-5 in the Cassell season, and I think that may be the only time this century an 11-5 team didn't make the playoffs. As a DC. Dick Jauron went 13-3 starting Cade McNown and Jim Miller. He won 7 games a year with JP Losman and Trent Edwards. I'm very impressed by their start but I tend to favor coaches who win playoffs games with multiple Qbs. It's why I think Joe Gibbs is secretly on the short list of best coach ever. And I have hated almost everything about Rex's cos bing job here. But if we just switch coaches, how does each team do this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) As a DC. Dick Jauron went 13-3 starting Cade McNown and Jim Miller. He won 7 games a year with JP Losman and Trent Edwards. I'm very impressed by their start but I tend to favor coaches who win playoffs games with multiple Qbs. It's why I think Joe Gibbs is secretly on the short list of best coach ever. And I have hated almost everything about Rex's cos bing job here. But if we just switch coaches, how does each team do this year? I'm going to press you again on this: since the league went to a 16 game schedule in 1978, the 2008 Patriots are the ONLY 11-5 team to not make the playoffs. Do you not think they would have won a playoff game that year had they made it? They had won their final four games of the season by a collective score of 133-54. Denver went to the playoffs with an 8-8 record that year, btw. Edited September 23, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'm going to press you again on this: since the league went to a 16 game schedule in 1978, the 2008 Patriots are the ONLY 11-5 team to not make the playoffs. Do you not think they would have won a playoff game that year had they made it? They had won their final four games of the season by a collective score of 133-54. Denver went to the playoffs with an 8-8 record that year, btw. Stuff happens like that that. They still lost 5 games than they did the previous year. The Jets missed the playoffs at 10-6 last year and that rarely happens too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 same. But I'll take some of the enemies coordinators. They missed the playoffs with Cassel, but did win 10 games. Yes on a extremely soft schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Yes on a extremely soft schedule He won 11 games with Matt freaking Cassel. That's a pretty good feat in itself, no matter how hard you try to diminish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 He won 11 games with Matt freaking Cassel. That's a pretty good feat in itself, no matter how hard you try to diminish it. As Meh as he became, Cassel made the playoffs and a pro bowl (as meaningless as it is) with KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I voted Bill. As durable as Brady has been, its still not something you can control. Coaches tend to not get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 He won 11 games with Matt freaking Cassel. That's a pretty good feat in itself, no matter how hard you try to diminish it. Cassel was good for like 3 or 4 years.. And they won 11 games because there schedule was a joke. They played the NFC west that year, and seattle won that division at like 7 and 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Cassel was good for like 3 or 4 years.. And they won 11 games because there schedule was a joke. They played the NFC west that year, and seattle won that division at like 7 and 9 Didn't they also win a playoff game Seatle that year? Was a huge upset if I remember right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dog Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Brady, BB wasn't a great head coach till he got Brady. If Brady had a career ending injury I'm not sure BB would have won a Super Bowl with any of the QB's he had on his roster since Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Stuff happens like that that. They still lost 5 games than they did the previous year. The Jets missed the playoffs at 10-6 last year and that rarely happens too. There have been at least ten instances of 10-6 teams not making it. same. But I'll take some of the enemies coordinators. They missed the playoffs with Cassel, but did win 10 games. 11 games. To reiterate, the 2008 Patriots are the only 11-5 team to not make the playoffs in league history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 The love for the Pats needs to go away. I'd take Lee Evans and Eric Moulds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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