Beerball Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 From qwksilver (paraphrasing): Where does EJ rank among backups in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Top 5 baby ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Top 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I think he's legitimately top 10 among backups. There are only about five guys I put clearly above him: Matt Hasselbeck Drew Stanton Derek Anderson Shaun Hill Matt Moore After that, there are about 5 or 6 you could throw in a hat (including EJ) and pretty much come out the same (I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 he has more experience than most but he is top 10-12 most likely. could be top 6 if you were to be generous and only grade on certain aspects. with a good coordinator he'd be top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I'd extend him in a heartbeat - but he's probably looking to get one more shot at a starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Less than 32nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Hasselback is retired. He didn't come back to Indy. Regarding EJ after this year... As Captain Quint said to Richard Dreyfus and Roy Scheider in Jaws. You go in the water, shark's in the water, "Farewell and adieu to your fair Spanish ladies, farewell and adieu to your ladies of Spain, because we've received orders to sail back to Boston, and never more will we see you again" Does that make my feelings clear on EJ? Top 5 back up? Back ups are supposed to be at the worst to get you to .500 when you're out. Does anyone remember the Bengals and Jax game? I've said for a couple of years we should have picked up Hasselback as our #2, but he hung the, up now. He was excellent for Indy last year until he started breaking down. He would have won that Jags game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I think he's legitimately top 10 among backups. There are only about five guys I put clearly above him: Matt Hasselbeck Drew Stanton Derek Anderson Shaun Hill Matt Moore After that, there are about 5 or 6 you could throw in a hat (including EJ) and pretty much come out the same (I think). That would have to be a huge hat to get 5-6 men in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) My gut reaction is similar to FC's somewhere between 18 and 20. But I thought I'd test that by actually looking at who that compares him to. If we start from the premise that Lynch and Wentz both start as the backups (if they don't Bradford is a top tier backup and Sanchez is around the EJ mark for me) then 9 of 32 franchises will start 2016 with a backup that has never started an NFL game. Therefore they all start as unranked for me and we are actually ranking among 23. Of the 23 who remain here, in no particular order, is who I think is definitely better: - Matt Moore (Dolphins) - Josh McCown (Browns) - AJ McCarron (Bengals) - Zach Mettenberger (Chargers) - Colin Kaepernick (49ers) - Drew Stanton (Cardinals) - Derek Anderson (Panthers) - Brian Hoyer (Bears) - Shaun Hill (Vikings) Here, in no particular order are those I think are in the same general area and up for debate: - Bruce Gradowski (Steelers) - Chad Henne (Jaguars) - Colt McCoy (Redskins) - Luke McCown (Saints) - Case Keenum (Rams) - Geno Smith (Jets) - Mike Glennon (Buccs) - I know I will take heat for this but he really is not as good as a lot of people on here think. Here, in no particular order, are the guys I would definitely take EJ before: - Ryan Mallett (Ravens) - Scott Tolzien (Colts) - Matt Cassell (Titans) - Brandon Weeden (Texans) - Matt Schaub (Falcons) - Dan Orlovsky (Lions) I should also clarify in the case of the two Matts in that last list it is just that the arms have totally gone. both looked like they struggled to throw it more than 5 yards when they got on the field last season. At their best both were starters, Schaub a top 15 QB, but at this point they are basically worthless if called upon to play. The conclusion is if you put EJ at the very top of the 2nd group (which I probably wouldn't) then you could argue he is 10th best of the 23 who have started. That is his ceiling in the list for me. If you put him at the bottom of that 2nd list (which again I probably wouldn't) he would be about 17th out of 23. The truth for me is he is probably about 12th or 13th of that 23, but then there are probably a handful of the guys who haven't yet played who are better backup options than him - it is just hard to rank that at this stage. Edited June 12, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 If EJ has to throw it over 40 times he loses. That is the question here, right? Which QB in his career wins when he has no running game or is behind. Run the numbers on the above QBs and I believe you'd only find a handful (maybe 5) that win a majority of games beyond 40 pass attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 If EJ has to throw it over 40 times he loses. That is the question here, right? Which QB in his career wins when he has no running game or is behind. Run the numbers on the above QBs and I believe you'd only find a handful (maybe 5) that win a majority of games beyond 40 pass attempts. The beauty of EJ is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. He has to throw 40 times because he stinks so bad that we're down a bunch of points. Well I say beauty, but I really mean horror show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I'll make a prediction. EJ starts at minimum 3 games this season, and plays so well that we have a QB controversy on our hands when Taylor gets healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 If EJ has to throw it over 40 times he loses. That is the question here, right? Which QB in his career wins when he has no running game or is behind. Run the numbers on the above QBs and I believe you'd only find a handful (maybe 5) that win a majority of games beyond 40 pass attempts. Didn't we have the #1 running game last year, and a decent O-Line? He was 0-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I'll make a prediction. EJ starts at minimum 3 games this season, and plays so well that we have a QB controversy on our hands when Taylor gets healthy. This was supposed to happen last season. EJ did not start a QB controversy then either. But to be fair the defense lost those games just as much as EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 This was supposed to happen last season. EJ did not start a QB controversy then either. But to be fair the defense lost those games just as much as EJ. But, it was EJ who was the deciding factor in my "quitting" those games for golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 That would have to be a huge hat to get 5-6 men in there. Fine. If you want to be Mr. Literal, you could throw 5-6 QBs in Ryan Fitzpatrick's helmet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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