YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 If I were in clevelands position, I'd trade #12 and a combo of other draft picks for Cousins. You can be analytics-driven all you'd like, but if you don't have a QB it's all for nought.i still think SF makes the trade for Cousins. Possibly with that 2nd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) NFL execs opine regarding who will be the 1st QB taken: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800928/article/ask-5-wholl-be-first-qb-selected-in-2017-nfl-draft?campaign=tw-cf-sf71542487-sf71542487 Also, draft gurus discuss how they mis-evaluated guys: https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-biggest-misses-scouts-executives-9b7afdd89a7e Edited April 20, 2017 by thebandit27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 NFL execs opine regarding who will be the 1st QB taken: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800928/article/ask-5-wholl-be-first-qb-selected-in-2017-nfl-draft?campaign=tw-cf-sf71542487-sf71542487 Also, draft gurus discuss how they mis-evaluated guys: https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-biggest-misses-scouts-executives-9b7afdd89a7e Love the second link Bandit. Cheers for that. Really interesting read. I like going back and trying to work out why I was wrong on guys too. Even the 4 or so years I have been doing this I get some wrong and like the guy says about Robinson it is very rare you have missed the weaknesses you have just found ways of talking yourself around them or you have seen the strengths but spent too much time worrying about what guys can't do and missed the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Love the second link Bandit. Cheers for that. Really interesting read. I like going back and trying to work out why I was wrong on guys too. Even the 4 or so years I have been doing this I get some wrong and like the guy says about Robinson it is very rare you have missed the weaknesses you have just found ways of talking yourself around them or you have seen the strengths but spent too much time worrying about what guys can't do and missed the other way. That's why scouting QBs is such a conundrum. These days, they all have significant weak points, so you really need to be able to assess what translates and what doesn't. I like Mahomes the best, and have kept him as my QB1, but I keep going back to the idea that I think Trubisky's game may translate better and/or quicker to the NFL game. I'm probably guilty of dismissing too many guys versus liking too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 That is crazy. I would absolutely love to see him fall to 10, however unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Hi Gang. I'll just drop this right here. Based on Visits, mainly. 1 or 2-----Starting WILB (Foster, Reddick, Davis, Cunningham) 1 or 2-----CB and later, a UDFA Dev. CB (Awuzie, King, Jackson, Humphrey, Witherspoon, Lawrence, Stribling, Cutrer) 2 or 3-----WR with separation (Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Samuel, Westbrook, Stewart, Darboh, Etta-Tawo, Rogers, Hampton) 3, 4, 5, 6-----DL3-tech (Tomlinson, Wormley, Brantley, Watkins, Jarron Jones) and/or EDGE (Carl Lawson, Demarcus Walker, Rivers, Willis, Fields, Cox, Wise) 3-UDFA -----Safety, esp Box and/or Blitz (Adams, Peppers, Baker, Maye, Fields, Clemons, Hill, Johnson, Tedric Thompson, Jones, Nicholson) 3-UDFA-----Developmental QB (Peterman, Kelly, Evans, Beathard) 4-UDFA-----RB (Connor, Yearby, Dayes, Gipson, Owens, Muhummad, Green, Yearby, Chris Carson, TJ Logan , I'Tavius Mathers) 6/UDFA-----RT (Collins, Myers, Norton, Skipper, Gennesy, Moton, Seaton, Cooper). 1 or 2-----Starting WILB (Foster, Reddick, Davis, Cunningham) 1 or 2-----CB and later, a UDFA Dev. CB (Awuzie, King, Jackson, Humphrey, Witherspoon, Lawrence, Stribling, Cutrer) 2 or 3-----WR with separation (Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Samuel, Westbrook, Stewart, Darboh, Etta-Tawo, Rogers, Hampton) 3, 4, 5, 6-----DL3-tech (Tomlinson, Wormley, Brantley, Watkins, Jarron Jones) and/or EDGE (Carl Lawson, Demarcus Walker, Rivers, Willis, Fields, Cox, Wise) 3-UDFA -----Safety, esp Box and/or Blitz (Adams, Peppers, Baker, Maye, Fields, Clemons, Hill, Johnson, Tedric Thompson, Jones, Nicholson) 3-UDFA-----Developmental QB (Peterman, Kelly, Evans, Beathard) 4-UDFA-----RB (Connor, Yearby, Dayes, Gipson, Owens, Muhummad, Green, Yearby, Chris Carson, TJ Logan , I'Tavius Mathers) 6/UDFA-----RT (Collins, Myers, Norton, Skipper, Gennesy, Moton, Seaton, Cooper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 NFL execs opine regarding who will be the 1st QB taken: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800928/article/ask-5-wholl-be-first-qb-selected-in-2017-nfl-draft?campaign=tw-cf-sf71542487-sf71542487 Also, draft gurus discuss how they mis-evaluated guys: https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-biggest-misses-scouts-executives-9b7afdd89a7e I watched the first clip on qbs you provided and got upset knowing that the loser Bills will continue to allow opportunities to pass for other teams to seize on. What is it about this lame franchise that has failed for more than a generation and still continues to operate in the same way that it always has always operated? The Bills are in a situation where they can stay pat and come away with a qb who offers this franchise some hope. It is so irrational and dumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Hi Gang. I'll just drop this right here. Based on Visits, mainly. Astro thanks for this it is certainly worth paying attention to. On an aside I figure your a good person to let know... On drafttek the s/r for Corey Davis links to Solomon Thomas. I didn't see anywhere to report it (didn't look to hard lol) but figure you might be able to rectify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 The closer we get to the draft, the more it looks like we will not be taking Qb or safety in the first rounds barring hooker or Adams falling to us. If we do not trade down I could see us taking Foster, Reddick, corey smith, Mike Williams, or lattimore if he is still there. Unless they have a Qb prospect they really like, I dont see them taking a Qb in the first 3 rounds, especially with the addition of Yates. Hyde and Poyer make me think that we will not be going safety early either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Dan Fetes @danfetes 31m31 minutes ago More Terry Pegula WILL have a voice in the #Bills war room but ultimately the decision will come down to BOTH GM Whaley AND McDermott #NFLDraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) @ndtscouting Per @BobMcGinn, RB Leonard Fournette scored an 11 on the Wonderlic at the NFL Combine. McCaffery a 21. Alvin Kamara -24 Joe Mixon - 12 Dalvin Cook - 11 Edited April 20, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Around The NFLVerified account @AroundTheNFL 44s45 seconds ago More DEVELOPING: Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster failed drug test at combine http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine?campaign=Twitter_atn … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Dan Fetes @danfetes 31m31 minutes agoMore Terry Pegula WILL have a voice in the #Bills war room but ultimately the decision will come down to BOTH GM Whaley AND McDermott #NFLDraft Edited April 20, 2017 by jeffismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Around The NFLVerified account @AroundTheNFL 44s45 seconds ago More DEVELOPING: Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster failed drug test at combine http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine?campaign=Twitter_atn Welp.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 He and Tim Williams quite the tandem eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime He crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Jonathan Allen long-term shoulder concerns (arthritis) could lead to only one contract http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-jonathan-allen-shoulder-nfl-draft-20170419-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) As I've said before, I'll happily take a 6-10 season. Just as long as I can see the roster evolve and see a plan unfolding. #TrustTheProcess screw that, 2-16 if were aren't making the playoffs, time to finally get a franchise QB Edited April 20, 2017 by Buffalo Barbarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Dan Fetes @danfetes 31m31 minutes agoMore Terry Pegula WILL have a voice in the #Bills war room but ultimately the decision will come down to BOTH GM Whaley AND McDermott #NFLDraft just giving Duggy a pat on the head with this so he isn't totally emasculated in the public eye, going back to board stacker. Around The NFLVerified account @AroundTheNFL 44s45 seconds agoMore DEVELOPING: Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster failed drug test at combine http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801347/article/alabama-linebacker-reuben-foster-failed-drug-test-at-combine?campaign=Twitter_atn … idiot, OFF THE BOARD Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime he's done already Jonathan Allen long-term shoulder concerns (arthritis) could lead to only one contract http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-jonathan-allen-shoulder-nfl-draft-20170419-story.html but the Bills cleared him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Kizer thinks he'll be the best ever. Is this an April fool's joke? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-to-ever-play-combo-of-cam-and-brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I have thought Allen was a slider all along. After the last few days I can see Allen and Foster being available much later than people expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Kizer: I can be greatest QB to ever play, combo of Cam and Brady "No one else can do what I can do. And I've truly figured out in this process, if I can maximize all my potential in every aspect of the game -- this is bold -- I do have the ability to be the greatest quarterback to ever play," Kizer said, http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801281/article/deshone-kizer-i-can-be-greatest-qb-of-alltime Move aside, Chad Kelly. There's a new "Swag" in town. I like Kizer on the field, I LOVE him off it. Not short of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I'd rather have a guy like Kizer who wants to be great than a dude like Garrett who's more interested in dinosaurs. Garrett to me has bust written all over him. Kizer might flame out too, but at least he's not going 1st overall or probably in 1st round at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 SiriusXM NFL RadioVerified account @SiriusXMNFL 40s41 seconds ago More Stanford HC @CoachDavidShaw: The @CMcCaffrey5 correlation I have made for a few years now is @CutonDime25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 TuneIn Sports @TuneInSports Follow More Who will land where in the 2017 #NFLDraft? Listen to the @MikeMayock media conference call today at 1:00p ET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 CollegeFootball 24/7Verified account @NFL_CFB 2m2 minutes ago More Mayock: I think it's Marcus Lattimore or Jamal Adams at No. 5 for @Titans. 4 replies7 retweets8 likes Reply 4 Retweet 7 Like 8 Around The NFL Retweeted CollegeFootball 24/7Verified account @NFL_CFB 3m3 minutes ago More Mayock: I don't see Reuben Foster sliding all that far. I think he's a top-20 pick all day long. He might still be top-10 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 For those of you that want to keep track of the medicals, this is a great site: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Chase GoodbreadVerified account @ChaseGoodbread 6m6 minutes ago More Mayock on Christian McCaffrey: He was asked to run slot routes after RB drills at combine, ran them better than the slot WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Composite Big Board, ignoring guys that will almost certainly be gone IMO... (Both Mahomes and Trubisky went before me in R1) YOUR PICKS 1: R1P10 WR COREY DAVIS WESTERN MICHIGAN 2: R2P12 QB DAVIS WEBB CALIFORNIA 3: R3P11 CB RASUL DOUGLAS WEST VIRGINIA 4: R5P12 LB ELIJAH LEE KANSAS STATE 5: R5P27 S LORENZO JEROME SAINT FRANCIS 6: R6P11 RB MATTHEW DAYES NC STATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) From NFL.com (Chad Reuter) 7 round mock: Round 1 (10) Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio StateRound 2 (44) JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, USCRound 3 (75) Tim Williams, OLB, AlabamaRound 5 (156) Dan Skipper, T, ArkansasRound 5 (171) Eddie Jackson, S, AlabamaRound 6 (195) Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801352/article/chad-reuter-2017-sevenround-nfl-mock-draft-round-1?campaign=fb-nf-sf72178406-sf72178406 Edited April 21, 2017 by CNY315 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Matt MillerVerified account @nfldraftscout 1m1 minute ago More Latest buzz: - Foster falls to "Myles Jack" range - Ross, Mixon, Cook Rd2 - 2 QBs going top 10 (Trubisky, Mahomes?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 @Eric_Edholm Alabama DL Jonathan Allen has concerning medicals ... But great potential makes him our No. 6 NFL draft prospect: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-profile-no-6-alabama-dl-jonathan-allen-shaky-medicals-outstanding-potential-192620720.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) I'd rather have a guy like Kizer who wants to be great than a dude like Garrett who's more interested in dinosaurs. Garrett to me has bust written all over him. Kizer might flame out too, but at least he's not going 1st overall or probably in 1st round at all. I talked to someone who is very concerned about Garrett's motor. Tougher choice than people think. Edited April 21, 2017 by jeffismagic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I talked to someone who is very concerned about Garrett's motor. Tougher choice than people think. It's not a tough choice at all...he was on the field for a TON of plays in college. His production was outstanding, and his measurables are comparable to Mario Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 It's not a tough choice at all...he was on the field for a TON of plays in college. His production was outstanding, and his measurables are comparable to Mario Williams. If I didn't have a QB I would trade back a few and take Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 If I didn't have a QB I would trade back a few and take Mahomes. You would chance missing out on your QB1 if you didn't have one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 You would chance missing out on your QB1 if you didn't have one? Good question. It comes down to poker. Who is doing what. If I could pry an extra first and second out of someone for moving back a spot or two I would consider it. If no one offered that I just draft Mahomes at 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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