Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Interesting - http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/01/nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-war-room-jerry-jones-peter-king The plan was to offer Dallas’ second-round and third-round picks, 34 and 67 overall, to teams in the late teens and early twenties—Indianapolis, Buffalo, the Jets, Houston—but then swap out the third-rounder for Dallas’ fourth-rounder, 101 overall, starting in the mid-twenties. Cincinnati (24), Pittsburgh (25), Seattle (26), Green Bay (27) and Kansas City (28) all got called. Lukewarm responses, mostly. Buffalo (19) said no to the offer of the second and third. The Jets said no. Edited May 2, 2016 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 The Bills asked for Dallas's 1st in 2017. Jerry Jones now says he regrets not doing it. I wonder what our draft would have looked like with no 1st but 2 2nds and 2 3rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 The Bills asked for Dallas's 1st in 2017. Jerry Jones now says he regrets not doing it. I wonder what our draft would have looked like with no 1st but 2 2nds and 2 3rds. Weird that he wouldn't have given up a 1st. I can't recall any trades for 1sts where there isn't at least a future 1st rounder given up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Weird that he wouldn't have given up a 1st. I can't recall any trades for 1sts where there isn't at least a future 1st rounder given up. I agree...To jump down 17 spots in the draft, they offered an extra 3rd rounder !!!! That is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 its the reverse of the JP Losman trade we gave up a #2 and next years #1 to Dallas. This trade still "haunts" me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 We still would have Ragland maybe, but no Shaq. He might have gone to the JESTS, Cinci, or Pitt. Could have had Jack or Jaylon Smith. Ouch! Rags might have gone to Jax. I don't see much at the top of the 3rd between where Dallas and The Bills picked that is very exciting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Glad Whaley said no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Glad Whaley said no I'm not. If you assume Ragland at 34, they wouldn't have had to spend two 4s to move up. So that's FOUR PLAYERS we could've drafted instead of one Shaq Lawson. But he's Rex's son's friend though, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm not. If you assume Ragland at 34, they wouldn't have had to spend two 4s to move up. So that's FOUR PLAYERS we could've drafted instead of one Shaq Lawson. But he's Rex's son's friend though, so... Would they have been any better than the players we chose? Maybe quality over quantity...I don't know college players that well so I can't say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 its the reverse of the JP Losman trade we gave up a #2 and next years #1 to Dallas. This trade still "haunts" me Especially considering Aaron Rodgers was available when we should have picked in the first round of the next years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Would they have been any better than the players we chose? Maybe quality over quantity...I don't know college players that well so I can't say for sure. The general consensus was that this was a deep draft and that rounds 2-4 was the "sweet spot." The Bills have a ton of needs that they had to ignore in this draft because of a lack of picks, including safety, RT, guard, cornerback, and a slot WR. It's simply irresponsible IMO to sit tight and take Lawson at 19, then trade two #4s for Ragland (granted one was next year's), instead of getting Ragland at 34 (or Jack better yet) and three other good young players who could round out the roster. That kind of thinking ("he was the guy we wanted") cost Buddy Nix his job. Unfortunately, I think the Lawson pick will cost Whaley his job. Edited May 2, 2016 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm not. If you assume Ragland at 34, they wouldn't have had to spend two 4s to move up. So that's FOUR PLAYERS we could've drafted instead of one Shaq Lawson. But he's Rex's son's friend though, so... Your responses make me seem normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I felt the talent really dropped off around pick 60, that's when you stopped seeing guys who were viewed as borderline 1st round picks and started seeing picks like Aguayo. Pick 67 is Dallas' pick, they took Maliek Collins, who is a nice prospect but far from a sure thing. It would have hurt if we moved down to 34 and saw Ogbah and Dodd go 32-33, though we still could have ended up with Ragland and someone like Noah Spence or Jarran Reed (who went at pick 49). I think Dallas needed to toss in the '17 1st. Something like #34 - '17 1st for #19 & a couple of 4ths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Your responses make me seem normal. Well played, Ms. Getty, well played. I'm not. If you assume Ragland at 34, they wouldn't have had to spend two 4s to move up. So that's FOUR PLAYERS we could've drafted instead of one Shaq Lawson. But he's Rex's son's friend though, so... Ok Coach, lets get this over with before it becomes a whole thing. Pretend the Bills make the trade with the Cowboys. Lets assume the Vikes take Shaq, and Treadwell has torn an achilles and can never play football again, and everything else went down the way it went down (even though it's unrealistic). Who are these FOUR PLAYERS you are picking up that are available when we use those picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Weird that he wouldn't have given up a 1st. I can't recall any trades for 1sts where there isn't at least a future 1st rounder given up. towards the back end of the first falling to the top of the second you sometimes see a stockpile of seconds and thirds. JUST a 3 seems low for that kind of fall though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Jerruhhh was overruled by his son just like with Manziel. Otherwise he was ready to do it. 2nd, 3rd, next year's 1st would have been an amazing get for a 19th overall pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 No way I would have swapped our first for a 2nd and 3rd. Now give me next year's first and a second or third and we're cooking with gas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Jerruhhh was overruled by his son just like with Manziel. Otherwise he was ready to do it. 2nd, 3rd, next year's 1st would have been an amazing get for a 19th overall pick yea - i probably wouldve been good with a 2, 3, and a day 2 pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Coach, if you are arguing that we should have accepted their 2nd and 3rd for the #19 overall pick, then I not only question your Bills fandom, but also your cognitive skills in general. Bills/Whaley were right, their compensation demand for #19 was spot on, we do not have an incompetent Front Office anymore. Get on board. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Shoulda. Coulda. Woulda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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