first_and_ten Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 The good news is the 2017 cap space is looking very good. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2017/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 There has been a lot of comment on this in other threads, but thanks for posting. The cap has been going up significantly so that $44 mil should probably get to $50 easily. Given we are finally out from EJ, he's dead man walking and playing this year for anyone to give him a chance as a back up. The other thing that strikes me is even though Carpenter took a paycut for this year, I still wouldn't be surprised if a guy like the FSU kid is there in the late rounds for us to draft him and cut Carpenter this year. We would also be able to cut the kick off specialist for a little money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 If TT plays well they still may not have enough for Glenn, TT, and Gilmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Sure they can Dragon. They have 42 of their 51 signed next year and it is a soft cap so they can do a lot of creative things to move money around to fit all three. Let's hope we have that problem as it means we probably made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 If TT plays well they still may not have enough for Glenn, TT, and Gilmore.That's not true. They can sign all 3, the draft picks and the RFA's and have about $6M left. Bandit has covered it pretty thoroughly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 KJ - I think he meant in 2017. You're right though as far as 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 KJ - I think he meant in 2017. You're right though as far as 2016.I guess I am reading it differently. I think that he is saying if all 3 play well they have to choose. That isn't the case. Maybe I'm wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Been saying this about the cap for a while. And it may be even more if guys like Kyle Williams are let go. This year is tight on funds. Next year is the year we can make some moves. First take care of our own and will still have the flexibility to get a decent player or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Been saying this about the cap for a while. And it may be even more if guys like Kyle Williams are let go. This year is tight on funds. Next year is the year we can make some moves. First take care of our own and will still have the flexibility to get a decent player or two. What potential big name players would be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 That's all well and good, 43M in cap sounds nice but let's think for a second Gilmour has to be signed long term, he's gonna demand at least 15M per.Cordy Glenn has to locked up long term, he's cap figure will likely be north of 10M 12M seems more likely. and TT having to wait an additional year to get paid isn't gonna take a discount. If he's as good as this year, 18M per seems likely but let's say he actually gets better and the Bills make the playoffs (I know dreams rarely work fo r Buffalo) we are then looking at a 20+M cap hit.W where'd all the cap space go? and that's just three guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 There has been a lot of comment on this in other threads, but thanks for posting. The cap has been going up significantly so that $44 mil should probably get to $50 easily. Given we are finally out from EJ, he's dead man walking and playing this year for anyone to give him a chance as a back up. The other thing that strikes me is even though Carpenter took a paycut for this year, I still wouldn't be surprised if a guy like the FSU kid is there in the late rounds for us to draft him and cut Carpenter this year. We would also be able to cut the kick off specialist for a little money. The FSU kicker I've read is the cream of the crop in kickers this year? With multiple teams having Carp like problems last season. Especially in PAT's I don't see him lasting too the later rounds. Would be great if the Bills could snag him late. But IMO he won't last that long. carrying two place kickers is a waste of a roster spot more so than a minimal $$$ savings. with the new rule of placing the ball at the 25, kick to the goal line and let your ST do their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I missed this about the cap space for 2017. Thanks guys for shedding the light on that for me. This now makes a ton more sense in regards to Glenn and Gilmore. I think Whaley has assured both these players they are going to get paid, they just need to play out the season till Whaley gets some cap space. Whaley may even have assured them that barring a career ending injury he will sign both to long term deals. Crazy thought on my part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Definitely has the been the subject of much discussion. Not exactly a new revelation, but it should calm the fears of those who seem to be worried about losing key players after the 2016 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 What potential big name players would be available? Brandon Marshall (LB for the Broncos, not the WR) potentially, Muhammad Wilkerson, Calais Campbell, Trumaine Johnson, David DeCastro, Riley Reiff, Dont'a Hightower, Melvin Ingram, Michael Floyd, Dontari Poe, Fletcher Cox, and a list of others. Of course we have no idea who will be tagged or signed before then, but we are in good shape for the 2017 offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 That's all well and good, 43M in cap sounds nice but let's think for a second Gilmour has to be signed long term, he's gonna demand at least 15M per. Cordy Glenn has to locked up long term, he's cap figure will likely be north of 10M 12M seems more likely. and TT having to wait an additional year to get paid isn't gonna take a discount. If he's as good as this year, 18M per seems likely but let's say he actually gets better and the Bills make the playoffs (I know dreams rarely work fo r Buffalo) we are then looking at a 20+M cap hit.W where'd all the cap space go? and that's just three guys I am with you. Been reading about all this cap space for 17...i dont see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) That's all well and good, 43M in cap sounds nice but let's think for a second Gilmour has to be signed long term, he's gonna demand at least 15M per. Cordy Glenn has to locked up long term, he's cap figure will likely be north of 10M 12M seems more likely. and TT having to wait an additional year to get paid isn't gonna take a discount. If he's as good as this year, 18M per seems likely but let's say he actually gets better and the Bills make the playoffs (I know dreams rarely work fo r Buffalo) we are then looking at a 20+M cap hit.W where'd all the cap space go? and that's just three guys the cap space next year will get significantly reduced by those 3 players if we are fortunate to sign them all long term. However, the cap hit of each for 2017 is unknown. The annual salary breakdown doesn't equal the cap hit. They will have enough space for who they want to keep by structuring their contracts to fit under the cap, and sign those they want to add, and will cut who they don't. By signing their own, it cuts down on the number of pricey FAs they need to add. Edited April 10, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanThru-N-Thru Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Maybe it's only me but I didn't see anything about dead cap money...I find it hard to believe we have none for 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 the cap space next year will get significantly reduced by those 3 players if we are fortunate to sign them all long term. However, the cap hit of each for 2017 is unknown. The annual salary breakdown doesn't equal the cap hit. They will have enough space for who they want to keep by structuring their contracts to fit under the cap, and sign those they want to add, and will cut who they don't. By signing their own, it cuts down on the number of pricey FAs they need to add. They'll make it work if they had to sign all 3. Especially with TT, almost all QB contracts are HUGE number wise, but there's almost always an out somewhere around the midpoint. For example, Osweiler's contract could only be a 2 year, $37 million deal instead of 4 for $72 million. 2018 and 2019 are 0% guaranteed on that deal. Gilmore and Glenn's deals could be structured with bonuses that don't overwhelm the team, for example Gilmore gets his big roster bonus in 2018, Glenn gets one in 2019, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Exactly JM. There are a lot of ways to move money around to make it work. Now, if these guys do their jobs well, and god forbid we actually make the playoffs, don't expect a big splash next year in free agency. Sign these guys and hopefully this year and next year's drafts gets us three starters. I believe Whaley's nature is to emulate the Steelers, and Packers MO of resigning guys for the second contract, and cheap labor in the draft. Third contract is where you squeeze them and they take less for security. That's the NFL now with the CBA. That is why I understand these guys wanting a great 2nd contract because for most players it's their only real payday when they are at their peak. Just look at Ferguson. 10 years, never missed a snap, and the jets want him to take a 50% paycut. Makes sense to retire. If I were him, I'd sit out this year, and shop his services to a deep playoff team next year for 10+ mil per year and get 1-2 more years of income. Same with Calvin Johnson. Sit out, and go to a Packers, Pats, Steelers, or whatever team he thinks has the best shot for a SB ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 There has been a lot of comment on this in other threads, but thanks for posting. The cap has been going up significantly so that $44 mil should probably get to $50 easily. Given we are finally out from EJ, he's dead man walking and playing this year for anyone to give him a chance as a back up. The other thing that strikes me is even though Carpenter took a paycut for this year, I still wouldn't be surprised if a guy like the FSU kid is there in the late rounds for us to draft him and cut Carpenter this year. We would also be able to cut the kick off specialist for a little money. I don't think there's any new monster contracts slated to go into the cap this year- the 2016 bump was driven by a tv deal finally rolling in. That said, 6m is only like 3-4% increase so that seems pretty reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Signing a starting QB (should Tyrod earn it), starting and proven LT, and starting and proven corner - even if they are our own guys - is a HUGE deal. I'm glad we have the space in 2017 to accomplish it if we are fortunate enough to have cause to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Brandon Marshall (LB for the Broncos, not the WR) potentially, Muhammad Wilkerson, Calais Campbell, Trumaine Johnson, David DeCastro, Riley Reiff, Dont'a Hightower, Melvin Ingram, Michael Floyd, Dontari Poe, Fletcher Cox, and a list of others. Of course we have no idea who will be tagged or signed before then, but we are in good shape for the 2017 offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Exactly JM. There are a lot of ways to move money around to make it work. Now, if these guys do their jobs well, and god forbid we actually make the playoffs, don't expect a big splash next year in free agency. Sign these guys and hopefully this year and next year's drafts gets us three starters. I believe Whaley's nature is to emulate the Steelers, and Packers MO of resigning guys for the second contract, and cheap labor in the draft. Third contract is where you squeeze them and they take less for security. That's the NFL now with the CBA. That is why I understand these guys wanting a great 2nd contract because for most players it's their only real payday when they are at their peak. Just look at Ferguson. 10 years, never missed a snap, and the jets want him to take a 50% paycut. Makes sense to retire. If I were him, I'd sit out this year, and shop his services to a deep playoff team next year for 10+ mil per year and get 1-2 more years of income. Same with Calvin Johnson. Sit out, and go to a Packers, Pats, Steelers, or whatever team he thinks has the best shot for a SB ring. Yep What I find kind of interesting is we have a lot of people bitching about cap management and how we couldnt sign anybody - Well.....we did....and franky players that have had success with other teams..... - If these guys do in fact provide depth to this team and if we draft well this next year....we are looking VERY nice going into next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Exactly JM. There are a lot of ways to move money around to make it work. Now, if these guys do their jobs well, and god forbid we actually make the playoffs, don't expect a big splash next year in free agency. Sign these guys and hopefully this year and next year's drafts gets us three starters. I believe Whaley's nature is to emulate the Steelers, and Packers MO of resigning guys for the second contract, and cheap labor in the draft. Third contract is where you squeeze them and they take less for security. That's the NFL now with the CBA. That is why I understand these guys wanting a great 2nd contract because for most players it's their only real payday when they are at their peak. Just look at Ferguson. 10 years, never missed a snap, and the jets want him to take a 50% paycut. Makes sense to retire. If I were him, I'd sit out this year, and shop his services to a deep playoff team next year for 10+ mil per year and get 1-2 more years of income. Same with Calvin Johnson. Sit out, and go to a Packers, Pats, Steelers, or whatever team he thinks has the best shot for a SB ring. I wouldn't read too much into Whaley's restraint and Steelers/Packers-like approach this offseason. He had no choice but to operate that way. Also, last season he went on a bit of a spending spree and overpaid/paid top dollar to acquire some players. Teams like the Steelers and Packers don't fluctuate how they operate like that. Maybe last year was an aberration, but I'll wait and see how he operates over the long term before making a determination about his nature. I find it funny how so many of the same people who praised him for being aggressive in acquiring and paying new acquisitions last season are also praising him for his frugality and restraint this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I wouldn't read too much into Whaley's restraint and Steelers/Packers-like approach this offseason. He had no choice but to operate that way. Also, last season he went on a bit of a spending spree and overpaid/paid top dollar to acquire some players. Teams like the Steelers and Packers don't fluctuate how they operate like that. Maybe last year was an aberration, but I'll wait and see how he operates over the long term before making a determination about his nature. I find it funny how so many of the same people who praised him for being aggressive in acquiring and paying new acquisitions last season are also praising him for his frugality and restraint this offseason. BUT If it works out? He might just stick with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Do we have a list of players Bills might and possibly should let go next year. There is money to be found there. Get a decent draft in and it might be time for players like Lawson and Graham might be due.Fa will not be as exciting as it once was. Spending to the cap in one year was fun but now it is about sound financial management and looking longer term via the draft. Might get kinda boring folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Do we have a list of players Bills might and possibly should let go next year. There is money to be found there. Get a decent draft in and it might be time for players like Lawson and Graham might be due. Fa will not be as exciting as it once was. Spending to the cap in one year was fun but now it is about sound financial management and looking longer term via the draft. Might get kinda boring folks Graham is definitely high on that list if he is as average in 2016 as 2015 and Aaron Williams can bounce back from that nasty neck injury. Spotrac has Graham at $5.375 million on 2017 or $1.6 million dead money if he's cut. Dan Carpenter - $2.9375 million or 537.5k dead money. Kyle Williams - unpopular as it may be, $8.3 million or $1.5 million dead. Jerome Felton - $2.5 million or $1.3 dead (worth noting this goes down to 650k if it were a post June 1 cut) Eric Wood - $6.325 million or $1.8 million dead. You mentioned Lawson, he's a UFA after this season, but maybe they can get him on a one or two year deal with a lower cap number to play out the string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Graham is definitely high on that list if he is as average in 2016 as 2015 and Aaron Williams can bounce back from that nasty neck injury. Spotrac has Graham at $5.375 million on 2017 or $1.6 million dead money if he's cut. Dan Carpenter - $2.9375 million or 537.5k dead money. Kyle Williams - unpopular as it may be, $8.3 million or $1.5 million dead. Jerome Felton - $2.5 million or $1.3 dead (worth noting this goes down to 650k if it were a post June 1 cut) Eric Wood - $6.325 million or $1.8 million dead. You mentioned Lawson, he's a UFA after this season, but maybe they can get him on a one or two year deal with a lower cap number to play out the string. Are those #s correct? After Kyles contract redo? I am one of the Kyle homers : ) Bills really need to solve that ridiculous Kicker issue. Felton did not thrill me last year, not sure what is up with that. Not sure how feel about Manny after mentoring some one this year. I love the guy , smart player. But time is catching up to him. Hence my two LBs theory this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Are those #s correct? After Kyles contract redo? I am one of the Kyle homers : ) Bills really need to solve that ridiculous Kicker issue. Felton did not thrill me last year, not sure what is up with that. Not sure how feel about Manny after mentoring some one this year. I love the guy , smart player. But time is catching up to him. Hence my two LBs theory this draft Spotrac is usually up to date, it had notes about the recent rework on there, doesn't mean its absolutely 100% right. I love Kyle Williams too but that's a lot of potential savings on a player who will be 34 for the 2017 season. Football is a tough business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Spotrac is usually up to date, it had notes about the recent rework on there, doesn't mean its absolutely 100% right. I love Kyle Williams too but that's a lot of potential savings on a player who will be 34 for the 2017 season. Football is a tough business. no argument there. but let his play speak for itself this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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