whatdrought Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Again you shoot dead unarmed violent protesters (and a vast majority of them are unarmed) it’s not going to end well. That’s a damn slippery slope. And regarding your FBI agent comment. I won’t address it at this point until you come back with some facts in the case because you obviously don’t have them. Unarmed doesn't mean ***** when they're posing a physical threat to the boots on the ground. Go back and look at where you began engaging me: My post: 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Great! So now any protestors left are criminals. Any protest that composed of rioting, looting, theft, vandalism, attacking bystanders, burning building and cars, etc etc. is criminal and needs to be stopped with the full weight of the law and if they refuse to disperse/they attempt to cause physical harm to the lawmen, they should be shot dead in the streets. Protests without criminal activity are absolutely fine by me and I encourage them to continue. Your post: 52 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Shot dead? No! But cracking skulls? You bet. Since you refuse to do anything other than deflect, let me ask a yes or no question: Do you believe that law enforcement officers sent to squash a riot have the right to use deadly force if they fear for their lives? It's really this simple. Either you do, and you've spent the past two pages arguing for nothing because we agree, or you don't and you're arguing what I believe to be an untenable point. As for the case in Oakland, he was shot dead while doing his job- I assume the part you are referring to is that it wasn't a riot, but rather individual actors. Either way, did he have a right to defend himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Huh, even some of the protestors have noticed something odd... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Assault a police officer and you get what you get..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: What do you expect from an ugly-azz Brillo-haired lesbian. Her head looks like it wore out two bodies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Absolutely! And in a court of law you better be dammed ready to. If you shoot someone in your home or place of business you better have some damn good proof your life was in danger. I don't think you're getting my drift. If I'm standing in front of my door with a weapon and a group of looters/arsonists are determined to destroy my property they are going to come after me first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Assault a police officer and you get what you get..... That uncle tom police officer hitting a black woman standing there mindin her own business.. Quick! burn down a target! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Where is it being denounced? If there are any protestors who aren’t looting and burning, are they still going out to the protests that are now driven by looting and burning? If so, that’s their identity. You can’t say “we’re together, but only have of our group are anarchists.” You are labeling any protester as anarchist or criminal due to the majorities anger over a social injustice that has never been really fully addressed IMO.. the violence and destruction is being denounced in print and online by pundits, mayors of cities and many many people who sympathize with the frustration over police brutality. You as well as many others paint liberals, protesters, etc etc with such a broad brush ...generalizations are lazy and tired rhetoric its so easy to blame all as bad actors when a few radicals and criminals decide to take advantage of a bad situation making it worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Assault a police officer and you get what you get..... There are people in that twitter thread saying the cop was wrong. What in the world did she expect? Just to keep beating on him because he was 1) male 2) white 3) a cop? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Actually Trump never said shoot the looters, what he tweeted was once the looting starts, so does the shooting, meaning, the next step was people shooting as in one person in Minneapolis was shot and killed and 8 were shot and killed in Nashville This the tweet. https://t.co/GDwAydcAOw I think it was clear he meant shooting the looters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: 1. What tweets? Remember, Margarita, we like to be specific in our answers as it alleviates any confusion. 2. Thank God 3. And what if they resist? Honest dialogue is always welcome. However, if you prefer to twist things into what you want them to be, then maybe it should be your last post. thank you for your post I had to make breakfast for my family sue me lol geesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Margarita said: You are labeling any protester as anarchist or criminal due to the majorities anger over a social injustice that has never been really fully addressed IMO.. the violence and destruction is being denounced in print and online by pundits, mayors of cities and many many people who sympathize with the frustration over police brutality. You as well as many others paint liberals, protesters, etc etc with such a broad brush ...generalizations are lazy and tired rhetoric its so easy to blame all as bad actors when a few radicals and criminals decide to take advantage of a bad situation making it worse I see your "I'm outtie" only lasted a couple hours. I am saying that anyone associated with any protest that involves looting, rioting, assaulting peace officers, burning buildings to the ground, vandalizing, etc. Is staking their reputation and their opinion on those things as well... If you want to peacefully protest, go to peaceful protest- not a riot. If at the peaceful protest a riot breaks out among the majority of the protestors, leave because their agenda no-longer matches yours. It's quite simple. Anyone in the street partaking in criminal activity is a criminal. Period. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Huh, even some of the protestors have noticed something odd... It will take a while, but these "protesters" will eventually learn that they are once again useful idiots and pawns in a game that is actually international. The UN is likely to try to lobby for the sending of their own "peacekeepers" onto American streets soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, bdutton said: This the tweet. https://t.co/GDwAydcAOw I think it was clear he meant shooting the looters. These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you! To me it reads the looters start shooting. Something looters have been known to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: There are people in that twitter thread saying the cop was wrong. What in the world did she expect? Just to keep beating on him because he was 1) male 2) white 3) a cop? They actually allowed her one free punch. some people don't know how to quit while they are ahead.... Edited May 30, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: They actually allowed her one free punch. soem people don't know how to quit while they are ahead.... The cops form was terrible, but it got the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Stating the (absurd) obvious: 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, bilzfancy said: If the protesters stormed the barracade, they are no longer protesters but rioters and putting the life of the president and his family in danger, or are you ok with that? come on fancy you posted something that I took issue with which was encouraging protesters to breach a barricade so they would be shot dead. No I dont advocate violence by the police with the mindset you seem to have by what you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Margarita said: You are labeling any protester as anarchist or criminal due to the majorities anger over a social injustice that has never been really fully addressed IMO.. the violence and destruction is being denounced in print and online by pundits, mayors of cities and many many people who sympathize with the frustration over police brutality. You as well as many others paint liberals, protesters, etc etc with such a broad brush ...generalizations are lazy and tired rhetoric its so easy to blame all as bad actors when a few radicals and criminals decide to take advantage of a bad situation making it worse What is your opinion regarding the staged pallets of bricks located in strategic areas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, bilzfancy said: How the hell is anything happening in the last few days have anything to do with Trump? George Floyd's death by a white cop is all the fuel these violent leftist thugs needed to create anarchy and discourse throughout the major cities in this country. While I am not political like I say, all of this has one common denominator............. all Democratic run cities who allow these pieces of shyts to roam freely and do whatever kind of damage they want with no consequences coming whatsoever. All in an effort to overthrow #orangemanbad out of office. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what is happening here. It was never about George Floyd or white vs black. Edited May 30, 2020 by njbuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: This is your last post because you rolled in with a chip on your shoulder spouting non-sense, got slapped down with logic and reason and you can’t handle the heat. Fair thee well felecia. hmmmmm yeah you've got me..Ive definitely got a chip on my shoulder Im none at all happy with what our country is dealing with today I sympathize with the protesters as a person who has had my own child profiled by the police due to his skin color..all logic and reason seemingly all on your side Bravo youre a fooking hero patriot happy now? SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: There are people in that twitter thread saying the cop was wrong. What in the world did she expect? Just to keep beating on him because he was 1) male 2) white 3) a cop? that cop should have checked his privilege at the door 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you! To me it reads the looters start shooting. Something looters have been known to do. I am a staunch conservative and i tolerate trump for the general good he is doing. But that tweet reads like thelooters will get shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...multiple cities are erupting......quell it NOW with military force......and that "force" should be whatever is necessary.........you decide......... Nuke em. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, bdutton said: I am a staunch conservative and i tolerate trump for the general good he is doing. But that tweet reads like thelooters will get shot. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts" is a direct quote from Segregationist mayors of the 1960's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: It's easy. Trump stokes the fires of hatred, racism, and white nationalism. It's a certified guaranteed fact... and you're an jackass and a racist actual literal super mecha-Nazi (and you certainly ain't black) if you ask me to actually justify my feelz with anything resembling a fact. Don't forget fascism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, RiotAct said: that cop should have checked his privilege at the door The white cop she was beating on, or the black cop that coldcocked her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Margarita said: You are labeling any protester as anarchist or criminal due to the majorities anger over a social injustice that has never been really fully addressed IMO.. the violence and destruction is being denounced in print and online by pundits, mayors of cities and many many people who sympathize with the frustration over police brutality. You as well as many others paint liberals, protesters, etc etc with such a broad brush ...generalizations are lazy and tired rhetoric its so easy to blame all as bad actors when a few radicals and criminals decide to take advantage of a bad situation making it worse Yet it is just a very, very few bad cops (whose actions are denounced by all) that liberals and complicit media seize upon and paint all cops and all white folks as racists. These are actually very isolated incidents blown far out of proportion by media and protesters alike. But yes, it is just so easy to generalize against all law enforcement when the overwhelming percentage of them do a great job to keep us safe from the criminal element every day. How many of these “ protesters” sat idly by while the lives of millions were being upended by draconian lockdowns over a virus ? Probably very happy to collect their government handouts, but outraged over the action of a bad cop who was fired and already jailed for what he did. Are they now sympathetic with him because he wears a prisoner’s clothes and not a police uniform ? Is he now one of the “ good guys” ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, bdutton said: I am a staunch conservative and i tolerate trump for the general good he is doing. But that tweet reads like thelooters will get shot. If this doesn't stop, someone will get shot and killed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: The white cop she was beating on, or the black cop that coldcocked her? both! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I see your "I'm outtie" only lasted a couple hours. I am saying that anyone associated with any protest that involves looting, rioting, assaulting peace officers, burning buildings to the ground, vandalizing, etc. Is staking their reputation and their opinion on those things as well... If you want to peacefully protest, go to peaceful protest- not a riot. If at the peaceful protest a riot breaks out among the majority of the protestors, leave because their agenda no-longer matches yours. It's quite simple. Anyone in the street partaking in criminal activity is a criminal. Period. ahem I have a family which supercedes me posting here. How do you know that the peaceful protesters dont outnumber the criminals? Im not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: If this doesn't stop, someone will get shot and killed. I guarantee people will die today and the blood will be on the hands of the anarchists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Margarita said: ahem I have a family which supercedes me posting here. How do you know that the peaceful protesters dont outnumber the criminals? Im not buying it. You seriously cannot be that ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Unarmed doesn't mean ***** when they're posing a physical threat to the boots on the ground. Go back and look at where you began engaging me: My post: Your post: Since you refuse to do anything other than deflect, let me ask a yes or no question: Do you believe that law enforcement officers sent to squash a riot have the right to use deadly force if they fear for their lives? It's really this simple. Either you do, and you've spent the past two pages arguing for nothing because we agree, or you don't and you're arguing what I believe to be an untenable point. As for the case in Oakland, he was shot dead while doing his job- I assume the part you are referring to is that it wasn't a riot, but rather individual actors. Either way, did he have a right to defend himself? Good lord dude. At no time have I said they don’t have a right to defend themselves. I’m saying it’s a VERY BAD idea to shoot protesters/rioters whatever. Regarding Oakland. It appears that you have actually gone and read the story. First of you say an FBI agent which led me to believe (and probably correctly) that you were referencing a story you didn’t have all the facts. You have the right to defend yourself yes. My point and either a) I’ve not not too good a job of making it or b) you’re too hysterical to get it is this. You have protesters/rioters facing off against law enforcement. One shot is fired and all hell breaks loose and it is going to end very very badly. Think of the Attica prison riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I don't see what the complication is. If this persists, those that feel their life and property are at risk will use deadly force. Then again, you can be a good citizen, enjoy your lockdown as the criminals get let out of jail to burn your house down with you in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, bdutton said: I guarantee people will die today and the blood will be on the hands of the anarchists. I am surprised we haven't heard about any deaths yet. But if these riots decide to go suburban, I CAN GUARANTEE you that there will MANY deaths. This is why it needs to stop now, because it will eventually spread to Suburbia. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Yet it is just a very, very few bad cops (whose actions are denounced by all) that liberals and complicit media seize upon and paint all cops and all white folks as racists. These are actually very isolated incidents blown far out of proportion by media and protesters alike. But yes, it is just so easy to generalize against all law enforcement when the overwhelming percentage of them do a great job to keep us safe from the criminal element every day. How many of these “ protesters” sat idly by while the lives of millions were being upended by draconian lockdowns over a virus ? Probably very happy to collect their government handouts, but outraged over the action of a bad cop who was fired and already jailed for what he did. Are they now sympathetic with him because he wears a prisoner’s clothes and not a police uniform ? Is he now one of the “ good guys” ? are they sympathetic with a bad cop....hmmmmmm Of course. We need MORE bad cops......BAD COP LOVERS UNITE lol sorry had to snark that what the heck? Youre seriously asking that question? Broad stroke generalizations are wrong. Both sides. 1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: You seriously cannot be that ignorant. you obviously "Feel" you are right......prove it. I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Won't work. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 We also have a lack of "getting laid" pandemic going on right now. That is one of the reasons to explain this bullshyt. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Does anyone have an opinion regarding the pre-positioned pallets of bricks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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