dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Some food for thought: 12 teams made the playoffs this year, and of the 12, only one had a 1,000 yard rusher: the Vikings. The Vikings also happened to finish 29th in offense. Jonathan Stewart was close, with 989 yards, but he had a garden-variety 4.1 ypc. He's an average back. Most of the rest of the playoff teams had a committee approach either by design or through the result of injury, which occurs at a very high rate at the RB position. Of the 12 teams, 6 saw their top RBs going into the season suffer significant injuries. In 11 playoff games this season, there was one 100 yard rusher - Jonathan Stewart vs. Seattle. He rushed for 106 yards. It appears to be a position that most good teams don't invest much in these days. The Bills feel differently. Edited February 10, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 RB is the deepest position there is. You can pretty much get a RB off the street and plug him in and win the Super Bowl. Look at the Broncos. A run first team without a good RB. Didn't matter. If I'm building a team I'd spend my money elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I had no problem with the trade of Kiko for Shady, but I suspect like most, I did have a problem with the contract they gave him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. Facts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 ... Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. Nothing ostensible about it; Shady was in fact a second round pick. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Some food for thought: 12 teams made the playoffs this year, and of the 12, only one had a 1,000 yard rusher: the Vikings. The Vikings also happened to finish 29th in offense. Jonathan Stewart was close, with 989 yards, but he had a garden-variety 4.1 ypc. He's an average back. Most of the rest of the playoff teams had a committee approach either by design or through the result of injury, which occurs at a very high rate at the RB position. Of the 12 teams, 6 saw their top RBs going into the season suffer significant injuries. In 11 playoff games this season, there was one 100 yard rusher - Jonathan Stewart vs. Seattle. He rushed for 106 yards. It appears to be a position that most good teams don't invest much in these days. The Bills feel differently. um...most good teams have franchise QBs...the other teams have RBs.... Edited February 10, 2016 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. The Steelers' Deangelo Williams was also a 1st round pick, albeit by the Panthers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Some food for thought: 12 teams made the playoffs this year, and of the 12, only one had a 1,000 yard rusher: the Vikings. The Vikings also happened to finish 29th in offense. Jonathan Stewart was close, with 989 yards, but he had a garden-variety 4.1 ypc. He's an average back. Most of the rest of the playoff teams had a committee approach either by design or through the result of injury, which occurs at a very high rate at the RB position. Of the 12 teams, 6 saw their top RBs going into the season suffer significant injuries. In 11 playoff games this season, there was one 100 yard rusher - Jonathan Stewart vs. Seattle. He rushed for 106 yards. It appears to be a position that most good teams don't invest much in these days. The Bills feel differently. If the NFL is zigging, there's an advantage to zagging. Great research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) The Broncos invested a recent 2nd round pick in Montee Ball in 2013 and took Hillman in the 3rd in 2012 Stewart was a 1st round pick by Carolina and is the 7th highest paid back in the league Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick and the 2nd back picked in his draft Peterson was a 1st round pick and is the highest paid back in the league Lacy was a 2nd round pick Jamaal Charles was a 3rd round pick and was the 8th highest paid back Marshawn was obviously originally a 1st rounder, he was the 2nd highest paid back last year Arian Foster was the 3rd highest paid back last year Shady was ostensibly a 2nd round pick and was the 4th highest paid back last year. Seems like the Bills are on a pretty similar grounds in regards to "investments" in running backs. 3rd and even 2nd round picks aren't major bets, at least in my opinion. Marshawn was a 4th round pick for Seattle (but a first rounder for Buffalo). Arian Foster is a classic example of getting paid for past production. He gave the Texans two good years (and in one of them missed 3 games) for a five year contract, and will be gone for the final year (this upcoming one). I suspect that Houston regrets that contract. He signed a 43.5 million dollar contract, and will get $37 million of it. That's $18.5 million per year assuming that we wash out the two years in which he produced no better than a UDFA backup. And regardless of the Broncos' RB picks, their best RB is a UDFA. The Steelers' Deangelo Williams was also a 1st round pick, albeit by the Panthers. He wasn't a first round pick by the Steelers. He has a basement-level 2 year/$4 million contract with Pitt. They invested almost nothing in him. Facts! Mine are facts too. RB production on good teams is pretty low across the board except for the Vikings, who have a bad offense overall. I had no problem with the trade of Kiko for Shady, but I suspect like most, I did have a problem with the contract they gave him. Yup. Edited February 10, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Some food for thought: 12 teams made the playoffs this year, and of the 12, only one had a 1,000 yard rusher: the Vikings. The Vikings also happened to finish 29th in offense. Jonathan Stewart was close, with 989 yards, but he had a garden-variety 4.1 ypc. He's an average back. Most of the rest of the playoff teams had a committee approach either by design or through the result of injury, which occurs at a very high rate at the RB position. Of the 12 teams, 6 saw their top RBs going into the season suffer significant injuries. In 11 playoff games this season, there was one 100 yard rusher - Jonathan Stewart vs. Seattle. He rushed for 106 yards. It appears to be a position that most good teams don't invest much in these days. The Bills feel differently. Unfortunately the bills do think its an important position. Rex has always loved being able to run the ball and our offense with Roman focuses on the run. There is a reason we traded for lesean and drafted Karlos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) This year it is certainly true... but in recent years we have seen teams have success in getting to and winning in the play-offs running the ball with highly drafted and / or well paid backs whether that be San Fran with Gore or Seattle with Marshawn or Dallas with Murray or even Denver the last time they made the Superbowl with #12 overall draft pick Knowshon Moreno. Putting together a winning football team in the NFL is an art and not a science and that is why some places value guys and positions that others don't. To suggest winning teams never value running backs enough to pick them high or pay them well is wrong. Edited February 11, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Some food for thought: 12 teams made the playoffs this year, and of the 12, only one had a 1,000 yard rusher: the Vikings. The Vikings also happened to finish 29th in offense. Jonathan Stewart was close, with 989 yards, but he had a garden-variety 4.1 ypc. He's an average back. Most of the rest of the playoff teams had a committee approach either by design or through the result of injury, which occurs at a very high rate at the RB position. Of the 12 teams, 6 saw their top RBs going into the season suffer significant injuries. In 11 playoff games this season, there was one 100 yard rusher - Jonathan Stewart vs. Seattle. He rushed for 106 yards. It appears to be a position that most good teams don't invest much in these days. The Bills feel differently.reason you didnt have the big rush numbers were injuries when you look at the tadem RB rush totals the numbers are there Two reasons , injuries and RB by committee is how the league has gone but the carries and yards are still there atleast for the teams that win Pittsburgh : DeAngelo Williams 907, LeVeon Bell 556 =1463yds and 14 tds and a 4.7 average Cincy : Hill 794 , Bernard 730 = 1524yds and a 4.0 ave Houston: had 4 different starting rbs = 1573 KC: Charles 364, Ware 403, West 634 = 1401 4.6 average in a Andy Reid offense Denver: Hillman 863, Anderson 720 = 1583 4.5 ave 12 TD's Washington: =1451 Green Bay: Lacy 758, Starks 601 = 1359 Vikings; Peterson 1485, McKinnon 271 = 1756 13 TDS 4.6 ave Arizona: C.Johnson 814, D.Johnson 571, Eillington 289 =1674 14TD's the two teams with qb's who run alot... even WITHOUT the qb rush numbers Seattle: Rawls, Lynch =1247 +wilson 553 1800 Carolina: = 1245 +cam 636 1881 Those who think you don't win running the football or ONLY if you don't have a "elite" qb are way off Saints 1144 Falcons 1393 Colts 1042 Chargers 977 Giants 1120 if your qb is not named Tom Brady you dont run you won't win Edited February 11, 2016 by CardinalScotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I had no problem with the trade of Kiko for Shady, but I suspect like most, I did have a problem with the contract they gave him. Winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) High paid RBs are a luxury. Usually if you have one (especially if you have a really elite/expensive one) it's b/c you are not burdened by such things as nice lineman, qbs, and other players of exceptional talent. This doesn't mean the team isn't still better off w/ the good RB (to say otherwise assumes the team can simply sign good players off the street). Edited February 11, 2016 by dayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Those who think you don't win running the football or ONLY if you don't have a "elite" qb are way off To be fair I don't think Dave was saying that. His point was not that no good teams run but that no good teams invest resources in running backs and I think whilst looking at this year's play-offs in isolation you could reach that conclusion if you look at the last 4 or 5 years it doesn't quite stack up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 playoff rushing numbers were still good just not 1 guy-- these are the numbers for just the rbs Texans 114 KC 105 Pitt 123 Pack 116 Panth 123 Pack 112 Chiefs 91 Denver 100 Panthe 134 Panthers 118 Denver 90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) To be fair I don't think Dave was saying that. His point was not that no good teams run but that no good teams invest resources in running backs and I think whilst looking at this year's play-offs in isolation you could reach that conclusion if you look at the last 4 or 5 years it doesn't quite stack up. Agreed, well said. So many RB injuries this year. Also to confirm that Fantasy Football was turned upside the most in this Century because RB injuries. Edited February 11, 2016 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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