finn Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not a big fan of "what If? history, but as a thought exercise the notion sheds light on the two coaches' abilities. Under Belicheck, the Bills would more likely win tonight because they would be disciplined, focused, innovative, responsive and prepared. Under Ryan, the Patriots would more likely choke because they would be distracted by his grandstanding, take stupid penalties and play right into Belicheck's schemes. (The Bills would also be more likely to win with Belicheck because they would cheat.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 to easy because they (Belicheat teams) are cheaters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Rex Ryan predictably wins the contest at the podium. Bill Belichick predictably wins the contest on the field. If you want to garner attention Ryan is the man for the job. If you want to garner wins BB is the man for the job. From a coaching standpoint Ryan is a pygmy compared to BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Coaching the Pegula owned team? He'd be successful. Coaching the Ralph owned team? He'd have lost his job in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Rex Ryan predictably wins the contest at the podium. Bill Belichick predictably wins the contest on the field. If you want to garner attention Ryan is the man for the job. If you want to garner wins BB is the man for the job. From a coaching standpoint Ryan is a pygmy compared to BB. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Coaching the Pegula owned team? He'd be successful. Coaching the Ralph owned team? He'd have lost his job in three years. Both have been fired from the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Both have been fired from the Jets. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Both have been fired from the Jets. Not true. BB quit as Jets coach before being hired by the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not a big fan of "what If? history, but as a thought exercise the notion sheds light on the two coaches' abilities. Under Belicheck, the Bills would more likely win tonight because they would be disciplined, focused, innovative, responsive and prepared. Under Ryan, the Patriots would more likely choke because they would be distracted by his grandstanding, take stupid penalties and play right into Belicheck's schemes. (The Bills would also be more likely to win with Belicheck because they would cheat.) If the Pats still have Brady, they are still more likely to win than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bill would no-sell WGR hosts attempts at humor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Clay would be getting the ball a wholleeeeee lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Please. Belichick was a dead man walking before Brady pulled his ass out of the fire. Gimme a break with the ballwashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 "Please. Belichick was a dead man walking before Brady pulled his ass out of the fire." I disagree. I think Belichick has it figured out, and he happens to have a Brady. It happens (e.g., Montana/Rice). Belichick shut down the K-Gun single handedly. That Giants team wasn't in the same league as the Bills, especially their defense against the Bills offense, yet they won the game. I think he would have figured out how to slow down Brady, while improving the odds with discipline, etc. Ryan, meanwhile, hasn't shown anything on this team. He appears to be a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Both have been fired from the Jets. Belicheat resigned from the team, he was not fired from Jets.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bill had a less than .500 record as a coach before Brady. Just saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 If BB was the coach of the Bills, we'd most likely have a super bowl ring or two by now. We would have been caught for cheating (spy gate). NFL fans outside Buffalo would despise us. Tom Brady wouldn't be as good as he is without BB. My guess is Brady would be on the level like Rivers or Romo in terms of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Sleeveless hoodies would be the rage in Bills land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bill had a less than .500 record as a coach before Brady. Just saying! So was Marv Levy before Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midland Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 When you have a probowl type quarterback coaching is always easier, and coaches that have the fortune to have a great quarterback always win more. Before Brady, he was an average coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So was Marv Levy before Jim Kelly. You...yet again...missed the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 what was Belicheat's record before Tom Brady? oh that's right HE WAS A LOSER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) When you have a probowl type quarterback coaching is always easier, and coaches that have the fortune to have a great quarterback always win more. Before Brady, he was an average coach. in a very bad division for the last ten years. Edited November 23, 2015 by Kkspike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Please, spare me how BB wasn't successful before Brady. Just take a look at what that team did when Cassel was their QB for a year. There have been a lot of great QB's that never won a super bowl and a bunch (i.e. Peyton Manning, Rodgers) that only have won one. The Pats have 4 and easily could be 5-6. Brady isn't light years ahead of these guys. The Pats have been so dominate because of their system (brilliant coaching by BB and game plans by Ernie Adams) as well as bending and breaking rules to give them every advantage possible. Not saying Brady isn't good (if not great), but something tells me he doesn't have near the career he's had without Bill and Ernie and their cheating ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Please, spare me how BB wasn't successful before Brady. Just take a look at what that team did when Cassel was their QB for a year. There have been a lot of great QB's that never won a super bowl and a bunch (i.e. Peyton Manning, Rodgers) that only have won one. The Pats have 4 and easily could be 5-6. Brady isn't light years ahead of these guys. The Pats have been so dominate because of their system (brilliant coaching by BB and game plans by Ernie Adams) as well as bending and breaking rules to give them every advantage possible. Not saying Brady isn't good (if not great), but something tells me he doesn't have near the career he's had without Bill and Ernie and their cheating ways. Brady is THE best QB of our time. Maybe of all time. He's better than Marino, Kelly AND Elway, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You...yet again...missed the obvious. No I didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Rex Ryan predictably wins the contest at the podium. Bill Belichick predictably wins the contest on the field. If you want to garner attention Ryan is the man for the job. If you want to garner wins BB is the man for the job. From a coaching standpoint Ryan is a pygmy compared to BB. I agree with everything except your first bullet. I absolutely love BB's podium presence. One of my favorites was from years ago - I have no idea who the opponent was. A reporter asked him about the decision to go for 3 and he simply stated, "we like to score touchdowns." That was it. Next question. Watching Ryan at the podium was fun for about the first half of his first season with New Jersey. After that it was just "same as it ever was ..." Zzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Rex Ryan predictably wins the contest at the podium. Bill Belichick predictably wins the contest on the field. If you want to garner attention Ryan is the man for the job. If you want to garner wins BB is the man for the job. From a coaching standpoint Ryan is a pygmy compared to BB. Hey now! That may have offended some pygmys. I'd like to like Rex, I really would. He seems like a great guy to have a beer with. I'm just not so sure about him coaching my favorite team. Prove me wrong, Rex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Id be more interested in what his plan would be to be the patsies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not a big fan of "what If? history, but as a thought exercise the notion sheds light on the two coaches' abilities. Under Belicheck, the Bills would more likely win tonight because they would be disciplined, focused, innovative, responsive and prepared. Under Ryan, the Patriots would more likely choke because they would be distracted by his grandstanding, take stupid penalties and play right into Belicheck's schemes. (The Bills would also be more likely to win with Belicheck because they would cheat.) "One Mo Lewis hit away from the unemployment line" -Bart Scott Another factor of the Patriots success under BB was the OC So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 "One Mo Lewis hit away from the unemployment line" -Bart Scott Another factor of the Patriots success under BB was the OC So... Which one? Charlie Weis? Josh McDaniels? Bill O'Brien? Josh McDaniels (part 2)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So was Marv Levy before Jim Kelly.thats my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think it's fair to say that both have been as successful as they have been because they had each other. Give Brady Rex Ryan as coach and he maybe goes to the Super Bowl but not that many times. Give Belicheck Tyrod and this Bills team (for example) and he also goes to the Show, but maybe just once. Plug in any combination of great coach-qbs in NFL history and it amounts to the same thing. You need a franchise qb. But you also need a top head coach. And I'm here to tell you Rex Ryan ain't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I agree with everything except your first bullet. I absolutely love BB's podium presence. One of my favorites was from years ago - I have no idea who the opponent was. A reporter asked him about the decision to go for 3 and he simply stated, "we like to score touchdowns." That was it. Next question. Watching Ryan at the podium was fun for about the first half of his first season with New Jersey. After that it was just "same as it ever was ..." Zzzzz I was tired of his self-promoting huckster act before he was hired. If you want to be impressed with a Buffalo coach at the podium or during an interview you should watch or listen to the Sabres' HC, Byslma. He gives thoughtful and direct answers, especially post game. He can be discreetly critical of his team and yet do it in a polite and dignified manner. He is classy and substantive. Rex Ryan at the podium is comparable to a second rate kareoke mid-week lounge act at a New Jersey Holiday Inn. With the loqacious Rex your team is going to get a level of attention that is on higher scale than the level of wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 "Please. Belichick was a dead man walking before Brady pulled his ass out of the fire." I disagree. I think Belichick has it figured out, and he happens to have a Brady. It happens (e.g., Montana/Rice). Belichick shut down the K-Gun single handedly. That Giants team wasn't in the same league as the Bills, especially their defense against the Bills offense, yet they won the game. I think he would have figured out how to slow down Brady, while improving the odds with discipline, etc. Ryan, meanwhile, hasn't shown anything on this team. He appears to be a fool. BB was under 500 before Brady. I guess he all of a sudden became a genius right about the time Bledsoe got hurt & BB had to turn to Brady. Good solid coach but no genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 what was Belicheat's record before Tom Brady? oh that's right HE WAS A LOSER Pretty much my thoughts. If he was coaching the team for all the years we haven't been in the playoffs with the sub-par talent at QB he would probably have the same record as all those other coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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