Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Regardless of whether or not you think this was a good cut, Whaley is looking bad right now with how he handled this. Luckily for him, he helped build the best roster in the league (QB excluded) so he gets a pass. Other than for what happened to her husband, Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed what was the greatest night out ever experienced by a First Lady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Serious answer. Yes. And I truly believe that getting rid of the oldest RB in the league, two years running, was a wise move, because said RB was not making a difference and would naturally make even less of a difference this season. If pumping up the crowd scored points, the 2015 version of Fred Jackson would be named MVP before the season even started. It's just not the case. It was a good football decision and it was a good business decision. When Whaley extends the contracts of guys who actually help the team score points and win games, people will see that. Nope Contrary to the dribble you just wrote. You do not watch the games. or maybe just do not understand what some players actually do contribute, epic fail dude. maybe time to drop the silly narrative. And look at just who has contributed in the past few seasons of **** bills football. And who hasn't. the list is very, very short. You're clueless but a old timers TBD club favorite.So I guess that carry's weight here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Tim Graham @ByTimGraham 27s27 seconds ago "Being in the loop" would prevent one of Bills' biggest sponsors from launching expensive Fred Jackson ad campaign today. It's embarrassing. Who is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Regardless of whether or not you think this was a good cut, Whaley is looking bad right now with how he handled this. Luckily for him, he helped build the best roster in the league (QB excluded) so he gets a pass.i only think it looks "bad" on the Twitter machine and PR engine because people adore Fred. But the only way he will end up truthfully looking bad at his job is if the team doesn't make the playoffs and/or he can't sign Dareus and a few other good, young upcoming FAs he wants to keep. Keeping Fred and his salary would have been the easy thing to do. He's paid to do more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 sure, we don't know the whole story. I do see it as plausible that Rex told Whaley to do whatever he could to keep him, and Whaley sent the Turk anyway. I don't see an issue with it, and I doubt Rex does either. Someone needs to make the call. If this was purely about football ability I would agree. But please convince me that Fred Jackson wasn't a top three RB on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Regardless of whether or not you think this was a good cut, Whaley is looking bad right now with how he handled this. Luckily for him, he helped build the best roster in the league (QB excluded) so he gets a pass. To be fair, do you think this board would ever take it well? Fred could be 53 and not suited up in a decade but if the bills let him go it'd be ugly. Go back to the march thread and plenty said they thought first cuts was where to make the move, and have now switched the script to it being classless to do it this late and with camp trash. It's a tough move to make any time it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The braintrust rationalizers are out in full force, I see. Because Bills GMs *always* make the smart calls ... How is it possible if this is Rex's team and call for a GM to "go rogue?" Edited September 2, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTS Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Serious question...do you watch the games?Thank you. I was thinking the same. Calling Fred unproductive is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Regardless of whether or not you think this was a good cut, Whaley is looking bad right now with how he handled this. Luckily for him, he helped build the best roster in the league (QB excluded) so he gets a pass.i only think it looks "bad" on the Twitter machine and PR engine because people adore Fred. But the only way he will end up truthfully looking bad at his job is if the team doesn't make the playoffs and/or he can't sign Dareus and a few other good, young upcoming FAs he wants to keep. Keeping Fred and his salary would have been the easy thing to do. He's paid to do more than that. He can't worry about fans hating the decision because he knows he is evaluated on winning now and in the future and that includes playing younger talented guys who don't take up cap space and using that money to sign young all-pros. Moving on from aging, expensive vets is a crappy part of if his job but it still is his job and it happens on virtually every team. Typically they are leaders and mentors and still productive and have a year or two left in the tank but they are still replaceable in order to sign the core players. Edited September 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Those who are really angry be honest... Do you start Fred in Madden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Just business WEO. I can't believe Fred isn't showing more love to the team in the media, where's his loyalty? If anything, he's shown a lot of class by not saying more and unloading on DW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Why because Freddy says Whaley was dishonest? For all we know Rex may have been the one who wanted to get rid of him, maybe Whaley tried to keep him, but agreed the numbers didn't add up so cut him, and now he's just taking the heat and not blaming others for it, unlike Freddy. Read in one of the columns today some names mentions, Green Bay cutting Farve, Indy cutting Peyton, and Emmitt Smith leaving Dallas, Could easily add Thurman leaving the Bills too. If those guys could be let go, players who everyone in the league knew what team they played for, half the fans in the league probably haven't even heard of Fred Jackson, then Fred getting cut, isn't even a story, which probably explains why it wasn't much more than a whimper on Sportcenter about it. Regardless of whether or not you think this was a good cut, Whaley is looking bad right now with how he handled this. Luckily for him, he helped build the best roster in the league (QB excluded) so he gets a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 If this was purely about football ability I would agree. But please convince me that Fred Jackson wasn't a top three RB on this team. That is not the criterion any GM or person responsible for the roster uses to determine who stays and who goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Those who are really angry be honest... Do you start Fred in Madden? Third down guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Tim Graham @ByTimGraham 27s27 seconds ago "Being in the loop" would prevent one of Bills' biggest sponsors from launching expensive Fred Jackson ad campaign today. It's embarrassing. Oh come on - we have to consider ad campaigns for sponsors before roster moves now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i only think it looks "bad" on the Twitter machine and PR engine because people adore Fred. But the only way he will end up truthfully looking bad at his job is if the team doesn't make the playoffs and/or he can't sign Dareus and a few other good, young upcoming FAs he wants to keep. Keeping Fred and his salary would have been the easy thing to do. He's paid to do more than that. Is this even true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Tim Graham @ByTimGraham 27s27 seconds ago "Being in the loop" would prevent one of Bills' biggest sponsors from launching expensive Fred Jackson ad campaign today. It's embarrassing. Ha, the Bills should tell sponsors who they're going to cut before cut down day. I'm sure it would never leak out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i only think it looks "bad" on the Twitter machine and PR engine because people adore Fred. But the only way he will end up truthfully looking bad at his job is if the team doesn't make the playoffs and/or he can't sign Dareus and a few other good, young upcoming FAs he wants to keep. Keeping Fred and his salary would have been the easy thing to do. He's paid to do more than that. I don't think he looks bad at his job. I think he has egg on his face for how this looks. Different things. Our roster is sick, he's doing good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 i only think it looks "bad" on the Twitter machine and PR engine because people adore Fred. But the only way he will end up truthfully looking bad at his job is if the team doesn't make the playoffs and/or he can't sign Dareus and a few other good, young upcoming FAs he wants to keep. Keeping Fred and his salary would have been the easy thing to do. He's paid to do more than that. How much money can we now roll over with Fred gone? Serious question. Because I've seen this espoused, and I have no idea if we've saved much of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Realistically though, how many ST sales do they lose if they cut Fred in March instead of August? Maybe a couple hundred? the Pegulas stepped in and stopped it in March for a reason. what was that reason if not for ST sales and to appease their biggest sponsors like M&T who Fred is the face of? Fred was kept on the team for business reasons and Whaley led him on to make him believe he had a shot at being on the team. Whaley wanted Brown for football reasons, Pegulas wanted Fred for business reasons, Rex just wants the best guy but he didn't have a say in it. in the end, Whaley has the final decision over the roster, Rex has the power over who on that roster plays, and Pegula is out of town watching his daughter play tennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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