QB Bills Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 thats the best crow you can eat...you and all the other pats bills fans on tbd that love to defend brady the fem and kiss the ring and s@#k the c5ck of the most dishonest coach in the history of organized sports ( you know who you are), will appreciate lame patriots getting caught cheating yet again. I hope you all stop making whining about excuses seem reasonable. Please go to their board if you are defending them . it is sickening to make them making them seem good, except at cheating and being weak. Their lame owner that poisons my food with toxins like bht and.is as dishonorable of a man in business as he is a weak and lame cheat who couldnt win a fair fight with girl in a hospital bed dying of kidney failure from his lies....... .....hopefully you will all pick a side during the season by making this scum dread it everytime he sets foot inside of the city limits so the players never mention cheating (they expect the fans to have the teams' back on such petty but important matters and will let rex take the high road) and pelt bellicheat and kraft the pedophile with tapes and cds and let him know that we are watching him and we have one of his whistleblowers , the overated but good at foolowing directions cassel, and we will make his cheating asz look as bad as the teams who have figured out his rings are only from smoke and mirrors like the rest of this lame rigged world (like kc last year).. go pegula, go bills, and all those who dont encourage miltant acts to compensate for years of fake wins and stealing our signals by videotape at halftime arent fans of the buffalo bills and the city of Buffalo.. so weird...i was going to post this exact msg word for word...what are the odds?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) So if you go 9-7 and 0-2 against Brady is that better than 10-6 and 1-1 against Brady? Do we get a trophy for beating them with Brady vs. without? You don't apologize for victories. As I said earlier teams play against injured and suspended opponents all of the time. At the end of the day all that matters is if you won or lost. If the Bills played all 16 games against back up QBs I would be thrilled. Exactly!! It doesn't matter who you beat; it matters that you did beat them. Â I completely agree that winning is what matters. I would be the first to argue with anyone who says our achievement is devalued because Brady wasn't in. I was arguing against that very point in December for the Buffalo vs Pats thread. Â That doesn't mean there won't be a whole lot of "buts" come time when we finally make the playoffs. Trust me I don't believe in it either, but it will surely happen. Our own fans said it at the end of the season last year. The NFL Media will be all over it. It will be THE story next year. Â So sue me if I would rather bypass that and hit the patriots hard in the draft. That's just my opinion. Edited May 9, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I think the fumbling issue is a combination of about 6-8 factors. I'm not convinced at all it has anything to do with deflating balls. It's possible but I won't take that leap. I also don't think at all these guys have been doing this every game for eight years. In the absence of the fumbling data from 2000-2006 and 2007-2014, I'd maybe agree with you. However I can't discount that a) it helped with fumbling (since a deflated ball is easier to hang onto and b) they've been doing since the rule was changed. And Occam's razor would say that deflating the ball would be a better answer than 6-8 factors working simultaneously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 In the absence of the fumbling data from 2000-2006 and 2007-2014, I'd maybe agree with you. However I can't discount that a) it helped with fumbling (since a deflated ball is easier to hang onto and b) they've been doing since the rule was changed. And Occam's razor would say that deflating the ball would be a better answer than 6-8 factors working simultaneously. Do you really think that for seven years, game after game, these guys were taking the balls and after the officials set them at 12.5 they took them and lowered them and then the Colts after an interception noticed it after 125 games of them doing it? And then one time when the NFL was aware they took the balls to a bathroom and did it and the refs couldn't find the balls? I don't. I think it was sporadic at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Do you really think that for seven years, game after game, these guys were taking the balls and after the officials set them at 12.5 they took them and lowered them and then the Colts after an interception noticed it after 125 games of them doing it? And then one time when the NFL was aware they took the balls to a bathroom and did it and the refs couldn't find the balls? I don't. I think it was sporadic at best. Â Plus...the fumbling study is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Plus...the fumbling study is crap. I thought it was pretty much debunked before you chimed in with logical reasons why it was crap? It's possible of course it played a tiny part. With so many ex Patriots that leave the team pissed at them like Spikes and Welker and others, it's impossible for me to believe they were doing this stuff all the time. There would be whistleblowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 so weird...i was going to post this exact msg word for word...what are the odds?? Â Â hilarious.. help me out with some evidence about the core 4 cheaters on the thread i actually started before they close me down and kick me off like in feb. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Â Do you really think that for seven years, game after game, these guys were taking the balls and after the officials set them at 12.5 they took them and lowered them and then the Colts after an interception noticed it after 125 games of them doing it? And then one time when the NFL was aware they took the balls to a bathroom and did it and the refs couldn't find the balls? I don't. I think it was sporadic at best. Â Â Â Plus...the fumbling study is crap. Â No but home games in the rain or snow especially big games or playoff games--you bet they would. That forecast for the Colts game is likely why they did it. Â This was not the first or only time. There is too much from spygate (worse then we know IMO) to allegations of headset tampering to this. Â Their home record in the era of parity, constant roster turnover, constant coaching changes, and Matt Cassels only really good year is enough for me to believe something was going on there and the league knew.....this was a freaking sting. Why? Why embarrass the league's poster boy like that? You have to really tick off the league and other teams for that to happen. Â Institutionalized cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Do you really think that for seven years, game after game, these guys were taking the balls and after the officials set them at 12.5 they took them and lowered them and then the Colts after an interception noticed it after 125 games of them doing it? And then one time when the NFL was aware they took the balls to a bathroom and did it and the refs couldn't find the balls? I don't. I think it was sporadic at best. I thought it was pretty much debunked before you chimed in with logical reasons why it was crap? It's possible of course it played a tiny part. With so many ex Patriots that leave the team pissed at them like Spikes and Welker and others, it's impossible for me to believe they were doing this stuff all the time. There would be whistleblowers. Since it's easier to grip a deflated football and the Cheaters cut their fumble rate by 43% after the rule change championed by Brady, I'd say they did it more often than not and that it helped. Every single game? No, probably not. Â And as for why did no former player say anything, they were spying on teams since Belicheat arrived in NE. You'd think a former player would have divulged that information as well until it taking until 2007 to find out about it. Likely, as with the videotaping, only a select few knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Now they need to take away the SB title too. thank you   http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jon-stewart-destroys-cheating-f-k-tom-brady-article-1.2215185 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 As a cheater, Tom Brady has been caught. Now, how many times hasn't he been caught? Â Poor little Tommy Cheatriot. I petition for weeks 2 and 10. Also, Weeek 2 he has to make the trip w/the rest of the Cheatriots AND he & his parents have to stay in the most sleazy WNY motel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If he's suspended they should enforce it Week 1 for their hoist the trophy TNF season opener That is how offseason suspensions work Since it's easier to grip a deflated football and the Cheaters cut their fumble rate by 43% after the rule change championed by Brady, I'd say they did it more often than not and that it helped. Every single game? No, probably not. Â And as for why did no former player say anything, they were spying on teams since Belicheat arrived in NE. You'd think a former player would have divulged that information as well until it taking until 2007 to find out about it. Likely, as with the videotaping, only a select few knew about it. 43% reduction without even doing it weekly... You must think the difference between the two levels is HUGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If you stood Tommy in a corner for 10 minutes, he would go batshit insane........... Â I play 'pitch, and catch' with a couple of guys at work. (I'm good for throwing a 25 yard spiral at 61 years of age) :-) I keep the ball underinflated nowadays, because it's easier to throw, and *catch*. I have a permanent injury to my right *middle finger* because a well placed, properly inflated ball crashed down on the very top of that finger back in 2004. (The finger is bent, forward, which may be an advantage in certain situations) An underinflated ball would likely have meant that the ball harmlessly bounced off of *that* finger. Brady is lying through his teeth. Period. *SUSPEND* NOW. And bend his fingers forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Â I completely agree that winning is what matters. I would be the first to argue with anyone who says our achievement is devalued because Brady wasn't in. I was arguing against that very point in December for the Buffalo vs Pats thread. Â That doesn't mean there won't be a whole lot of "buts" come time when we finally make the playoffs. Trust me I don't believe in it either, but it will surely happen. Our own fans said it at the end of the season last year. The NFL Media will be all over it. It will be THE story next year. Â So sue me if I would rather bypass that and hit the patriots hard in the draft. That's just my opinion. No problem, this wasn't necessarily directed just at you. There has been a lot of that sentiment on here. The point being I'd rather win with a whole lot of "ifs" and "buts" than not win at all. If someone wants to question the validity of the Bills playoff berth and the Bills are in the playoffs, I am all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 He is likely to get a heavier suspension for refusing to comply with the investigation which the NFL considers "conduct detrimental the NFL" than for his role in the deflation process, but probably only because he has incriminating evidence he refused to turn over. Â That being said i think 6-8 games is likely with 4-6 being for not complying with the investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richNjoisy Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I think the fumbling issue is a combination of about 6-8 factors. I'm not convinced at all it has anything to do with deflating balls. It's possible but I won't take that leap. I also don't think at all these guys have been doing this every game for eight years. Kelly - you may indeed be right that there may be more than one factor that is causal for the Patriots fumbling rate. But the statistics are clearly showing that the Patriots, since 2006, became major outliers compared to the other 31 teams for fumbling. The results clearly show that is very very unlikely that mere chance is involved with the differences. The fact that the change happened the exact year that the handling of footballs changed is a possible explanation for the change. Given that we now know brady has tampered with balls and that it was he himself who requested the new rule change, it is extremely suspicious that the fumbling rate changed at exactly that very moment. One way to find out would be to interview the ball handler(s) for those years to see if the deflating below 12.5 actually did start with Week 1, 2007. BTW, McNally will probably be writing a book. Maybe interesting reading? That is how offseason suspensions work  43% reduction without even doing it weekly... You must think the difference between the two levels is HUGE It is huge - the statistics show that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Caveman Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Pretty much no chance of that. Ray Farmer was suspended 4 games for inconsequential texts. So Brady only gets 2? yeah, but what is the actual impact of a GM being suspended for 4 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) yeah, but what is the actual impact of a GM being suspended for 4 games? Lying to the NFL and refusing to comply with an investigation is a serious offense...much more so than the deflation of footballs, especially when the evidence they already had was enough to say with a greater than 50% certainty he was involved. He obviously is hiding something that would be serious...perhaps showing involvement of Belichick and/or Kraft... Edited May 9, 2015 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Lying to the NFL and refusing to comply with an investigation is a serious offense...much more so than the deflation of footballs. The cynical person says losing Brady loses the league money, while losing Farmer loses the league nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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