$15 Minimum Wage Battle Moves To Other Industries

[3rdnlng]

44 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

I'm not sure I support a $15 minimum wage. What Amazon did is a bit different because even their entry level employees work significantly harder than say a walmart cashier.

But, to me, the great fight of the next 20 years will be income inequality. And in my opinion, the BEST thing conservatives can do is participate in leveling things a bit. My reason is that I fear by not doing something, a groundswell of public support will erupt for "democratic" socialists, and then a manageable situation goes to complete socialist chaos. 

2+2=4. The bolded is an ignorant statement. It seems to me that when visiting a Walmart I nearly always have to wait in line. Anyone who is adequate and stays on the job is basically busy all the time.

[Tiberius]

18 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Did you miss the part where they were talking about the entire state - and about professional jobs, not minimum wage jobs in the city of Seattle?

 

Oh who am I kidding? Of course you did. Reading isn't your thing.

I guess you are right about the first part. But pretty retarded about me not being able to read. 

[Deranged Rhino]

It's not retarded when you prove it to be true day after day after day after day. 

 

But details aren't your thing either. Or honesty. Or conversation. Or reason....

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I guess you are right about the first part. But pretty retarded about me not being able to read. 

 

"Apes don't read philosophy!"

"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it!"

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

"Apes don't read philosophy!"

"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it!"

Do you read every post on here? That's sad 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

"Apes don't read philosophy!"

"Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it!"

 

That remains the best clip to sum up Tibs. Makes me laugh every time.  

 

[DC Tom]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That remains the best clip to sum up Tibs. Makes me laugh every time.  

 

 

Every time he posts "Of course I read!" I picture Kevin Kline with that dopey, snotty look on his face.

 

And I keep wanting to tell him "Aristotle was not Belgian."

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Every time he posts "Of course I read!" I picture Kevin Kline with that dopey, snotty look on his face.

 

And I keep wanting to tell him "Aristotle was not Belgian."

 

100%

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

2+2=4. The bolded is an ignorant statement. It seems to me that when visiting a Walmart I nearly always have to wait in line. Anyone who is adequate and stays on the job is basically busy all the time.

 

Dude are you for serious? They pick something up, scan it, bag it, and that’s pretty much it. 

 

Amazon workers work in huge huge warehouses that require them to not just be standing, but also moving, lifting, and so on. 

 

Youre saying being a cashier is the same as working in a warehouse — it ain’t. 

[Gavin in Va Beach]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Every time he posts "Of course I read!" I picture Kevin Kline with that dopey, snotty look on his face.

 

And I keep wanting to tell him "Aristotle was not Belgian."

 

And that "the central message of Buddhism is not 'Every man for himself'."

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Dude are you for serious? They pick something up, scan it, bag it, and that’s pretty much it. 

 

Amazon workers work in huge huge warehouses that require them to not just be standing, but also moving, lifting, and so on. 

 

Youre saying being a cashier is the same as working in a warehouse — it ain’t. 

S0, you think standing in one place making repetitive movements is easier than moving around, pulling orders, etc.? That's idiotic and I doubt you have any credible reason to make that statement.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Every time he posts "Of course I read!" I picture Kevin Kline with that dopey, snotty look on his face.

 

And I keep wanting to tell him "Aristotle was not Belgian."

Well, thanks for reading everything I write, but can't, apparently, read. 

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

S0, you think standing in one place making repetitive movements is easier than moving around, pulling orders, etc.? That's idiotic and I doubt you have any credible reason to make that statement.

 

Yes, being active is physically more demanding than being sedentary. That’s absolutely correct. 

[DC Tom]

12 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

And that "the central message of Buddhism is not 'Every man for himself'."

 

"It's a Buddhist meditation technique.  The monks use it before they ride in to battle."

 

"What kind of Buddhism is this, Otto?"

 

I gotta watch that movie again, now.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That remains the best clip to sum up Tibs. Makes me laugh every time.  

 

This is what you remind me of: 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Alaska Darin]

9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

S0, you think standing in one place making repetitive movements is easier than moving around, pulling orders, etc.? That's idiotic and I doubt you have any credible reason to make that statement.

I read a story a few years back about someone who took a job in an Amazon warehouse.  Let's just say that the metrics the company uses to keep/reward employees are a little more strict than what you'd see at your average big box store.  

 

This isn't the exact story I read but it's close enough.

https://www.businessinsider.com/i-spent-a-week-working-at-an-amazon-warehouse-and-it-is-hard-physical-work-2013-12

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said:

I read a story a few years back about someone who took a job in an Amazon warehouse.  Let's just say that the metrics the company uses to keep/reward employees are a little more strict than what you'd see at your average big box store.  

In a prior life I was in manufacturing management and am aware of the repetitive nature of many production jobs vs. warehouse jobs. I view the Walmart cashier job on about the same difficulty level as most of those production line worker jobs. I can tell you with certainty that 95% of those production workers would have jumped at the chance to be a warehouse worker. With that said, Amazon itself may have some very strict rules and be an anomaly.

[Wagon Circler]

9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Keep thinking that way.

Inciteful.

7 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

What Bezos did was eliminate stock options and bonuses to pay for it.

 

His employees get less now.

 

And liberals are celebrating this.

It actually works out to a little more. My kid works for Amazon. But keep the rightist ignorance going.

[Kevbeau]

Having done both in high school/college. Warehouse is easier. You only have to deal with a douchebag or two who are drunk with supervisory power. When you’re a cashier, it’s a non-stop train of stupid rolling through that lane.

Edited October 4, 2018 by Kevbeau

[3rdnlng]

26 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said:

Inciteful.

It actually works out to a little more. My kid works for Amazon. But keep the rightist ignorance going.

What, like a riot?

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

Inciteful.

It actually works out to a little more. My kid works for Amazon. But keep the rightist ignorance going.

 

All this demonstrates is that you don't know how to evaluate compensation plans or employee bargaining power.

 

Losing stock options is MASSIVE.

Edited October 5, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[Wagon Circler]

15 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Im not advocating a handout. Raising the minimum wage isn’t a handout.

Don't bother to explain. They don't do English good.

6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

All this demonstrates is that you don't know how to evaluate compensation plans or employee bargaining power.

 

Losing stock options is MASSIVE.

It's not a stock option. They toss them 1 or 2 shares a year. But you know everything gooder.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

All this demonstrates is that you don't know how to evaluate compensation plans or employee bargaining power.

 

Losing stock options is MASSIVE.

It depends if you want to make a career out of it.  The 100,000 or so temporary workers they hire each year won't complain about the wage hike.  My problem with Bezos and Amazon is the increasing monopoly power its acquired and exerts. 

[The_Dude]

5 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

Don't bother to explain. They don't do English good.

It's not a stock option. They toss them 1 or 2 shares a year. But you know everything gooder.

 

Its a win for Amazon workers. It’s probably a win for Beezos too. 

[The_Dude]

11 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

All this demonstrates is that you don't know how to evaluate compensation plans or employee bargaining power.

 

Losing stock options is MASSIVE.

 

Youre an idiot. But that’s already well established. 

 

This is a win for Amazon’s workers. The low level ones whom the raise effects the most typically got about $2k in stocks a year that they’d have to wait to vest before selling. They need to sell their stocks because they’re poor and need the money. 

 

So Amazons workers get more income with better predictability which is a win for them. 

 

Youre just an !@#$ with decent grammar and a thesaurus who likes pretending to be learned. You’re not. You’re an ass. And an idiot. 

[LB3]

20 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Im not advocating a handout. Raising the minimum wage isn’t a handout.

Paying someone more than their skill level requires is a handout.

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Paying someone more than their skill level requires is a handout.

 

I disagree. 

 

Wages have stagnated for years, and the reason it hasn’t bitten the rich in the ass is financing. But when the impoverished become too poor for even financing, then were screwed. I believe raising the minimum wage responsibly wards that threat off. 

[LB3]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I disagree. 

 

Wages have stagnated for years, and the reason it hasn’t bitten the rich in the ass is financing. But when the impoverished become too poor for even financing, then were screwed. I believe raising the minimum wage responsibly wards that threat off. 

Raising the minimum wage happens when necessary. Raising to placate entitled socialists is dumb. $15/hr for unskilled labor will cause more harm than good.

[Just Jack]

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14 hours ago, Kevbeau said:

Having done both in high school/college. Warehouse is easier. You only have to deal with a douchebag or two who are drunk with supervisory power. When you’re a cashier, it’s a non-stop train of stupid rolling through that lane.

 

I agree. I’d rather run around pulling stock than dealing with some of the idiots I used to when I worked retail. 

[The_Dude]

34 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Raising the minimum wage happens when necessary. Raising to placate entitled socialists is dumb. $15/hr for unskilled labor will cause more harm than good.

 

I’m not so sure. When the lower tier can’t afford furniture, TV’s, and appliances then were all kinda screwed. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

 

Youre an idiot. But that’s already well established. 

 

This is a win for Amazon’s workers. The low level ones whom the raise effects the most typically got about $2k in stocks a year that they’d have to wait to vest before selling. They need to sell their stocks because they’re poor and need the money. 

 

So Amazons workers get more income with better predictability which is a win for them. 

 

Youre just an !@#$ with decent grammar and a thesaurus who likes pretending to be learned. You’re not. You’re an ass. And an idiot. 

 

So much stupid in this post it's hard to figure out where to start.

 

Stock options are very desirable.

 

First, they provide a degree of compensation/savings flexibility:  the employee gets to choose whether to liquidate the holding, or to keep it as part of a larger savings and retirement plan. 

 

Second, they provide massive potential for growth, which means increased earnings.  Five years ago on today's date Amazon was trading at around $970/share.  Today, it's twice that.

 

Third, it ties general employee compensation to executive compensation.

 

Fourth, if managed properly it can provide a slew of tax benefits, again resulting in increased compensation.

 

Employee stock compensation, structured as Amazon used to do, helped to provide lower level employees with a path upwards; but through the short sighted lens of 21st century liberalism and immediate gratification culture, that has been removed and replaced with an annual salary of $31k, and a lack of mobility.

 

But that's fine, you go on and keep running your mouth, pretending you know what you're talking about.  It's adorable.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[LB3]

7 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I’m not so sure. When the lower tier can’t afford furniture, TV’s, and appliances then were all kinda screwed. 

That's the problem. Those things are affordable if better choices are made. Make sacrifices. Be frugal. It might seem harsh, but if they want cash to play with, they can just work harder.

[The_Dude]

31 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

So much stupid in this post it's hard to figure out where to start.

 

Stock options are very desirable.

 

First, they provide a degree of compensation/savings flexibility:  the employee gets to choose whether to liquidate the holding, or to keep it as part of a larger savings and retirement plan. 

 

Second, they provide massive potential for growth, which means increased earnings.  Five years ago on today's date Amazon was trading at around $970/share.  Today, it's twice that.

 

Third, it ties general employee compensation to executive compensation.

 

Fourth, if managed properly it can provide a slew of tax benefits, again resulting in increased compensation.

 

Employee stock compensation, structured as Amazon used to do, helped to provide lower level employees with a path upwards; but through the short sighted lens of 21st century liberalism and immediate gratification culture, that has been removed and replaced with an annual salary of $31k, and a lack of mobility.

 

But that's fine, you go on and keep running your mouth, pretending you know what you're talking about.  It's adorable.

 

 

 

Equities to a poor person aren't valuable; they're unrealistic. If you're poor you can't keep your stock, you sell it as soon as you can which is what they do. 

Stock options are only desirable to people who dont have to sell them to feed their family tomorrow. 

You're so freaking retarded. A mongoloid. An absolute idiot. 

 

You "claim" to work in money but seem to lack the concept of present value and future value. You lack that as well as common sense. Stock might be worth something to a poor schmuck like you who lives in moms basement, but to a poor schmuck with rent equities aren't a thing -- trying to pay the bills is a thing.

13 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

That's the problem. Those things are affordable if better choices are made. Make sacrifices. Be frugal. It might seem harsh, but if they want cash to play with, they can just work harder.

 

I agree with you. 

 

But lets not pretend humans are gonna change how they do things and plan accordingly.

[TakeYouToTasker]

14 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Equities to a poor person aren't valuable; they're unrealistic. If you're poor you can't keep your stock, you sell it as soon as you can which is what they do. 

Stock options are only desirable to people who dont have to sell them to feed their family tomorrow. 

You're so freaking retarded. A mongoloid. An absolute idiot. 

 

You "claim" to work in money but seem to lack the concept of present value and future value. You lack that as well as common sense. Stock might be worth something to a poor schmuck like you who lives in moms basement, but to a poor schmuck with rent equities aren't a thing -- trying to pay the bills is a thing.

 

You don't read very well:

 

"First, they provide a degree of compensation/savings flexibility:  the employee gets to choose whether to liquidate the holding, or to keep it as part of a larger savings and retirement plan. "

 

With stock compensation they have flexibility and options.  Those individuals who are young people, or who are frugal, get a massive long and medium term advantage from equity positions as part of a compensation package; while allowing for those who simply "want the money now" to do that as well.

 

But hey, you go on and celebrate refining everything down to the lowest common denominator, and removing real benefits that many people were able to take advantage of for their long term financial health, in favor of the ease of a non-sense liberal talking point that doesn't actually help anyone.

 

Again, it's adorable watching you blather about things you have absolutely zero understanding of.  Carry on.

Edited October 5, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[The_Dude]

4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

You don't read very well:

 

"First, they provide a degree of compensation/savings flexibility:  the employee gets to choose whether to liquidate the holding, or to keep it as part of a larger savings and retirement plan. "

 

With stock compensation they have flexibility and options.  Those individuals who are young people, or who are frugal, get a massive long and medium term advantage from equity positions as part of a compensation package; while allowing for those who simply "want the money now" to do that as well.

 

But hey, you go on and celebrate refining everything down to the lowest common denominator, and removing real benefits that many people were able to take advantage of for their long term financial health, in favor of the ease of a non-sense liberal talking point that doesn't actually help anyone.

 

Again, it's adorable watching you blather about things you have absolutely zero understanding of.  Carry on.

 

You don’t follow your argument very well. 

 

Clearly giving the employee options is great. 

 

What i took issue with is something you’re not defending here. You told somebody they were stupid for believing this Amazon move was a win for employees. I argued that of course it is, because it is. And I argued you’re an idiot, because you are. I did NOT argue against giving employees options which you’re now stating. 

 

This is a bait-n-switch tactic used by people who’ve never studied rhetoric or debate which is exactly what you are. 

 

You lick balls. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

11 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

You don’t follow your argument very well. 

 

Clearly giving the employee options is great. 

 

What i took issue with is something you’re not defending here. You told somebody they were stupid for believing this Amazon move was a win for employees. I argued that of course it is, because it is. And I argued you’re an idiot, because you are. I did NOT argue against giving employees options which you’re now stating. 

 

This is a bait-n-switch tactic used by people who’ve never studied rhetoric or debate which is exactly what you are. 

 

You lick balls. 

 

You are an unmitigated moron.

 

No, this is not a win for Amazon employees.  Anyone who thinks it is doesn't understand how compensation plans work.

 

While not all employees took advantage of the long and medium range benefits of equity compensation, many did, and they've now lost this advantage because their pay structure has been reduced to the lowest common denominator.

 

The young and the frugal who valued savings and investment have been forced to sacrifice to the morons valuing immediate gratification who act rich on pay day; and general laborer compensation has been uncoupled from executive pay which hurts everyone.

 

Stop talking about things you don't understand.  It only serves to reinforce what a dope you are.

 

It's OK not to understand something.  It's !@#$ing retarded to loudly vocalize it.

 

Shut the !@#$ up and learn something.

Edited October 5, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Shut the !@#$ up and learn something.

 

Addendum:

 

Or just shut the !@#$ up, chucklehead.

[The_Dude]

50 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

You are an unmitigated moron.

 

No, this is not a win for Amazon employees.  Anyone who thinks it is doesn't understand how compensation plans work.

 

While not all employees took advantage of the long and medium range benefits of equity compensation, many did, and they've now lost this advantage because their pay structure has been reduced to the lowest common denominator.

 

The young and the frugal who valued savings and investment have been forced to sacrifice to the morons valuing immediate gratification who act rich on pay day; and general laborer compensation has been uncoupled from executive pay which hurts everyone.

 

Stop talking about things you don't understand.  It only serves to reinforce what a dope you are.

 

It's OK not to understand something.  It's !@#$ing retarded to loudly vocalize it.

 

Shut the !@#$ up and learn something.

 

You’re an idiot talking out your ass again. As per usual. And it’s not worth my time. You’re an idiot, the guy you were arguing with is right. 

 

Keep on rocking tho, message board hero.