rcatty Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Hey you are an OL coach, and your line sucks. Fix it or move on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I think you can fault both Spiller and the play-calling. If they wanted to establish a power running game, CJ isn't the guy to use up the middle. At the same time, CJ dances too much looking for a huge hole and gets wrapped up too easily for little or no gain. Hackett needs to call better plays - swing passes, screens, etc. so that Spiller can have some room. He can cause damage in the open field, but the play-calling hasn't been getting him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I want more Boobie! And we should run Dixon more as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infernus Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can guarantee that there are several coaching staffs in the NFL that could properly utilize Spiller's talent. Yes he is not a good power runner, but there are plays for him to make if it can just be schemed properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can guarantee that there are several coaching staffs in the NFL that could properly utilize Spiller's talent. Yes he is not a good power runner, but there are plays for him to make if it can just be schemed properly. It's a joke. Nate Hackett isn't a NFL OC. I get mad when I think about what Sean Payton or Chip Kelly could do with Spiller. We are wasting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yeah. Just need to get spiller in space. Better blockers. A better QB. A better oc. Better play calls. You can't hinder him by splitting carries. And you most make sure he's healthy. Oh, and you must play on a full moon on Friday the 13th so that he can turn into a wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 What frustrated me most about the game is that he ran Spiller up the middle over and over and over and got the same result.. NADA. What the heck. When does one stop hitting his thumb with a hammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it meant that Goodwin said this to Marrone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Last year I thought I saw an article explaining the up the gun run on first down....something about getting 3 yards sets up a good situation for the rest of the series........ 2 problems we have with this - Hackett is extremely predictable.....everyone know that he is gonna run up the middle on 1st down and - Spiller is getting like a YARD on first down......like EVERY time. He absolutely is not the back for that play. The whole not using Boobie thing is just bizarre in the only game we let him run he breaks off a huge run to help us win....since then....nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Watch how the Chiefs use Jamaal Charles, and then yearn for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Watching them send Spiller up the gut is beyond frustrating. I get doing it a few times a game just so teams don't always assume its a toss or screen...but c'mon man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainwampus Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Pass him the ball! He's a natural pass-catching playmaker but a poor RB. That dismal block that almost led to a safety is just more evidence of his lack of RB skills. I believe he was dead last in "yards after contact" at one point last season out of all RBs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Put in Bryce Brown against the Patsy's!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Sounds like we need to find a back and get an interior line who can actually run the game plan. Wait, I'm sorry. We need to "get him in space." Yes, yes, that's it! Get him in space. That should be easy and it sounds kinda insider-ish. Get him in space. That's the solution that's right in front of the coaching staff's face. Everyone on a message board knows it. How come they don't? Get him in space. Edited October 6, 2014 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 When Jackson went down I thought for sure we were gonna lose the game......because u knew Spiller was going in and staying in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Truth Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can guarantee that there are several coaching staffs in the NFL that could properly utilize Spiller's talent. Yes he is not a good power runner, but there are plays for him to make if it can just be schemed properly. I agree. Chan Gailey was one of them. He was averaging like 7 yards per touch. All people on this board did was complain saying, "HE'S AVERAGING 7 YARDS PER TOUCH. GIVE HIM THE BALL MORE!!!!" Little did they know that he was getting the 7 yards per touch because of his limited touches and how he was being used when he did get touches. I say let Fred and Bryce Brown (yes put him in the 53 man roster, find someone to eliminate), run between the tackles. Use Spiller in unique ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infernus Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I agree. Chan Gailey was one of them. He was averaging like 7 yards per touch. All people on this board did was complain saying, "HE'S AVERAGING 7 YARDS PER TOUCH. GIVE HIM THE BALL MORE!!!!" Little did they know that he was getting the 7 yards per touch because of his limited touches and how he was being used when he did get touches. I say let Fred and Bryce Brown (yes put him in the 53 man roster, find someone to eliminate), run between the tackles. Use Spiller in unique ways. Please Hackett/Marrone... please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sounds like we need to find a back and get an interior line who can actually run the game plan. Wait, I'm sorry. We need to "get him in space." Yes, yes, that's it! Get him in space. That should be easy and it sounds kinda insider-ish. Get him in space. That's the solution that's right in front of the coaching staff's face. Everyone on a message board knows it. How come they don't? Get him in space. If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan then they should trade him and play Bryce Brown. Forcing a player into a style of play he's not suited for is a waste of everyone's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I want more Boobie! And we should run Dixon more as well. He broke that big run and I dont know that he's had a carry in a game since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan then they should trade him and play Bryce Brown. Forcing a player into a style of play he's not suited for is a waste of everyone's time. ...unless that player is in contract negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan, then you got a dumb gameplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan, then you got a dumb gameplan. Well said. Any good offensive mind would have figured out how to use him. IT's funny how people are to think that maybe Hackett isn't part of the problem. Did I miss the part where Syracuse had a creative and highly productive offense? Our offense is painfully conservative and predictable. It's dink and dunk central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well said. Any good offensive mind would have figured out how to use him. IT's funny how people are to think that maybe Hackett isn't part of the problem. Did I miss the part where Syracuse had a creative and highly productive offense? Our offense is painfully conservative and predictable. It's dink and dunk central. CJ Spiller could very well be one of the top five big play offensive skill players in the league - certainly in the top ten - if utilized properly. This is not an issue of potential. This is not an issue of Spiller having a limited skill set. When the interior of the offensive line is the weakest part of the offensive unit and the primary use of Spiller is to run him between the tackles...then you have to say this might just be an issue of offensive play calling. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 He's awful at seeing blocks develop. Can't seem to get small and slide through a crease. Too much stop and go allows defenders to close in. But I'd love to see him and Sammy both used on the jet sweep. The misdirection could open up a lot if calls for this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 If Spiller doesn't fit the gameplan, then you got a dumb gameplan. Well said. Any good offensive mind would have figured out how to use him. IT's funny how people are to think that maybe Hackett isn't part of the problem. Did I miss the part where Syracuse had a creative and highly productive offense? Our offense is painfully conservative and predictable. It's dink and dunk central. Yet, by several measures, in Detroit, Miami, San Diego and Houston, we've faced four of the best defenses in the NFL and have, on at least four occasions, counting the Houston game, put together a winning offensive game plan. So, please. Let's not equate "good" game plan with the game plan you think they should be running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yet, by several measures, in Detroit, Miami, San Diego and Houston, we've faced four of the best defenses in the NFL and have, on at least four occasions, counting the Houston game, put together a winning offensive game plan. So, please. Let's not equate "good" game plan with the game plan you think they should be running. You honestly believe our coaching staff is getting the most out of our talent? Because I saw Gailey get a lot better production out of far less talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You honestly believe our coaching staff is getting the most out of our talent? Because I saw Gailey get a lot better production out of far less talent. our offense that was consistently ranked in the mod to late 20s? Or are you confusing offense with a useless running genwhen your already down by multiple scores and the defense is giving you the run game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I saw Gailey get a lot better production out of far less talent. Specifically what production are you referring to? Under Gailey, the Bills ranked 28th, 14th and 21st in points...with an historically bad defense. Also, the sudden-fondness for Gailey's offense has been something I've been criticizing for last year. There's some serious revisionist history going on whenever fans gush about how great Gailey's offense was and how much everyone loved it. It wasn't and they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 our offense that was consistently ranked in the mod to late 20s? Or are you confusing offense with a useless running genwhen your already down by multiple scores and the defense is giving you the run game? In 2012, we scored 28 or more points 7 times. Since Marrone was hired, we accomplished that twice. We had far less talent in 2012 on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Dear Defenses, Our starting running back can't run between the tackles so there's no need to bother defending anything between the numbers. Our backup, however, isn't allergic to contact and can actually see holes that are NFL-sized and then get through them on a regular basis. So when he's in the game: LOOK THE !@#$ OUT! Sincerely, The Buffalo BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Well said. Any good offensive mind would have figured out how to use him. IT's funny how people are to think that maybe Hackett isn't part of the problem. Did I miss the part where Syracuse had a creative and highly productive offense? Our offense is painfully conservative and predictable. It's dink and dunk central. I absolutely think Hackett is part of the problem..... but now it really comes down to.....I want the team to win....what is the best right out of two wrongs. This year it is a back that can do what Hackett is asking........because the OC isnt going anywhere this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Specifically what production are you referring to? Under Gailey, the Bills ranked 28th, 14th and 21st in points...with an historically bad defense. Also, the sudden-fondness for Gailey's offense has been something I've been criticizing for last year. There's some serious revisionist history going on whenever fans gush about how great Gailey's offense was and how much everyone loved it. It wasn't and they didn't. You just made a great point for me. We had a historically bad defense. That hurts your offense. We have a great D now that forced punts and turnovers. It should only benefit the offense. We have 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and former double digit td guy at receiver. We used to have a group of undrafted guys (SJ, Nelson, Jones). Our oline has regressed despite adding free agents and high picks. And Spiller has went to a guy who averaged 6 ypc and 10 yards/ catch to completely average. Our offense has regressed since the coaching switch. I absolutely think Hackett is part of the problem..... but now it really comes down to.....I want the team to win....what is the best right out of two wrongs. This year it is a back that can do what Hackett is asking........because the OC isnt going anywhere this year. Yeah, firing him at this point is stupid. But unless there is more improvement, I'd want someone new. Norv Turner was on the market. I would take him in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You just made a great point for me. We had a historically bad defense. That hurts your offense. We have a great D now that forced punts and turnovers. It should only benefit the offense. We have 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and former double digit td guy at receiver. We used to have a group of undrafted guys (SJ, Nelson, Jones). Our oline has regressed despite adding free agents and high picks. And Spiller has went to a guy who averaged 6 ypc and 10 yards/ catch to completely average. Our offense has regressed since the coaching switch. Yeah, firing him at this point is stupid. But unless there is more improvement, I'd want someone new. Norv Turner was on the market. I would take him in a second. What's more common? A score of 35-3? Or a score of 35-20? What's more common? A score of 35-3? Or a score of 17-13? I'll wait for you to get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 There are two things about the Bills Offense in the 21 games under Hackett/Marrone that are glaringly obvious to me... The first thing is that running Spiller between the Tackles almost always results in a negative one, to one yard gain...You can pretty much take that to the bank... The second is that this Offense has an absolute ton of plays designed to throw the ball within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage...So much so that teams are not only packing us in, but are obviously being coached to watch for the short pass first...The pass to Woods in the Texans game right before the half was a perfect example...Yesterday there was a short pass to Freddie on a 2nd down and three defenders were all over him...We threw a FB pass to the flat that had two Detroit Defenders on it in a heartbeat...This is not normal in the NFL unless teams are showing zero respect for your down-the-field passing game...That's why we have WR's so open on deeper routes when we actually call them...I get that Hackett and Marrone are concerned about the O-Line's ability to keep the pocket clean for a 5 and 7 step drop...But it's a pick-your-poison type of thing...The short passing game outside of a couple to Freddie where he just wills it to a good gain is basically not working...So Hackett and Marrone better adjust quick...Because to my untrained eye it looks like Defenses are completely aware of the fact that most of the Bills passing game is quick hits and tosses to the backs...Let's see if the Bills Offensive brain trust can come up with something to keep Defenses more honest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can guarantee that there are several coaching staffs in the NFL that could properly utilize Spiller's talent. Yes he is not a good power runner, but there are plays for him to make if it can just be schemed properly. Totally agree. He has proven he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Totally agree. He has proven he can do it. hes proven he won't do it much more than he has. Just saying. 1 year in 5. Facts. They usually don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 What's more common? A score of 35-3? Or a score of 35-20? What's more common? A score of 35-3? Or a score of 17-13? I'll wait for you to get back to me. I must be totally missing your point because it seems like you are justify not scoring as many points. But 3rd down passes 4 yards short of the yard marker are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) It's a joke. Nate Hackett isn't a NFL OC. I get mad when I think about what Sean Payton or Chip Kelly could do with Spiller. We are wasting him. Chip Kelly is doing so well with McCoy. Dear Defenses, Our starting running back can't run between the tackles so there's no need to bother defending anything between the numbers. Our backup, however, isn't allergic to contact and can actually see holes that are NFL-sized and then get through them on a regular basis. So when he's in the game: LOOK THE !@#$ OUT! Sincerely, The Buffalo BILLS DING DING DING. Cee Jay can't carry Fred's jock, and he never could. Edited October 6, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Chip Kelly is doing so well with McCoy. What do you expect? He's a college OC. Isn't that the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 You honestly believe our coaching staff is getting the most out of our talent? Because I saw Gailey get a lot better production out of far less talent. The one thing none of us now is how good of a route runner Spiller is. If the coaches don't have faith in his route running outside of dumpoff outlet passes and the occasional screen, then they're not going to involve him much in the passing game. My recollection is that Gailey was good at getting him in space, but also that he didn't make plays when spread out as a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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