Ray Rice suspended two games? (Update: now cut/suspended)

[Pneumonic]

Yeah, that seems to have a significant factor in the Ravens move. And it makes sense.

 

This is something interesting to consider: What if a really good friend of yours that you have known really well, and really like, and think is a very good guy, has that first video come out. And then swears to you that it was self defense and she hit him. And then she, who you know well, too, says it wasn't bad and wants to marry him. It's hard to know what you would believe or do.

 

If it were me, I think I probably wouldn't believe him. But I don't know for sure unless I was put in that position. And I'm also probably not going to go and try to find out what really happened if she said nothing.

 

If the first video showed him dragging her limp body around I'd toss him away like a cheap shirt

 

Does John Clayton creep anybody else out? Reminds me of Beetlejuice. LOL

 

He's a dead ringer for Gollum in my books

[truth on hold]

I'm sure that the locker room doesn't care all that much.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia....i/Terrell_Suggs

 

Wow, if true and that sounds worse than rice, it's flat out sadistic

 

"Suggs has two children with Candace Williams. In December 2012 an attorney representing him confirmed Suggs surrendered his firearms to police in response to a court order filed the previous month by Ms. Williams. In 2009 Williams filed a complaint against Suggs alleging he threw a soap dispenser at her head, struck her in the chest with his hand and held a bottle of bleach over her and their 1 year old son.[27] According to a December 2012 report. In September of 2012 Suggs was accused of punching and dragging his girlfriend Candace Williams beside his car with his two children inside. A temporary protective order was placed against Suggs, causing him to surrender an AK-47 and 6 other guns."

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack

[NoSaint]

 

 

Wow, if true and that sounds worse than rice, it's flat out sadistic

 

"Suggs has two children with Candace Williams. In December 2012 an attorney representing him confirmed Suggs surrendered his firearms to police in response to a court order filed the previous month by Ms. Williams. In 2009 Williams filed a complaint against Suggs alleging he threw a soap dispenser at her head, struck her in the chest with his hand and held a bottle of bleach over her and their 1 year old son.[27] According to a December 2012 report. In September of 2012 Suggs was accused of punching and dragging his girlfriend Candace Williams beside his car with his two children inside. A temporary protective order was placed against Suggs, causing him to surrender an AK-47 and 6 other guns."

 

Wasn't particularly kept quiet either.... But no video. It's interesting seeing so much anger over this out of all the incidents. But tape and all.... I think that's what gets me.

[Pneumonic]

This is gonna get real ugly for both the Ravens and the league.

 

http://deadspin.com/someone-is-lying-about-whether-the-nfl-saw-the-ray-rice-1631901404

[Jauronimo]

Wasn't particularly kept quiet either.... But no video. It's interesting seeing so much anger over this out of all the incidents. But tape and all.... I think that's what gets me.

I would just appreciate it if the NFL and the Ravens could drop the pretense of taking any particular moral stand or caring about domestic violence and stop insulting the intelligence of football fans.

[Pondslider]

OK, so he is cut. There should really only be a period of a suspension, in reality. He was not arrested.

 

This is his livelihood. It is bad PR for him to be hired by someone, but seriously, it bothers me that some people think he should be cut off from working.

 

Nobody is preventing him from working. He can work anywhere that will hire him OTHER than the NFL. The world is his oyster. In fact, someone with his qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

[Mr. WEO]

This is gonna get real ugly for both the Ravens and the league.

 

http://deadspin.com/...rice-1631901404

 

I posted on that a few hours ago. King says that the League and the Ravens saw this tape long ago. And in an interview, a league official would not deny they saw this second insde the elevator tape.

[Best Player Available]

 

I would just appreciate it if the NFL and the Ravens could drop the pretense of taking any particular moral stand or caring about domestic violence and stop insulting the intelligence of football fans.

Keith Oberman who is not liked on this board just called for Goodell's resignation. But yea, the league has some morality issues

Right in their own backyard.

[Kelly the Dog]

I posted on that a few hours ago. King says that the League and the Ravens saw this tape long ago. And in an interview, a league official would not deny they saw this second insde the elevator tape.

Hima Culpa.

 

To: Our readers.

From: Peter King, editor-in-chief, The MMQB

An addendum to the Ray Rice coverage:

 

Earlier this summer a source I trusted told me he assumed the NFL had seen the damaging video that was released by TMZ on Monday morning of Rice slugging his then-fiancée, Janay Palmer, in an Atlantic City elevator. The source said league officials had to have seen it. This source has been impeccable, and I believed the information. So I wrote that the league had seen the tape. I should have called the NFL for a comment, a lapse in reporting on my part. The league says it has not seen the tape, and I cannot refute that with certainty. No one from the league has ever knocked down my report to me, and so I was surprised to see the claim today that league officials have not seen the tape.

 

I hope when this story is fully vetted, we all get the truth and nothing but the truth.

[Mr. WEO]

Hima Culpa.

 

It's getting mighty strange...

[Kelly the Dog]

King has some explaining to do, too. Even in the mea culpa he says the source assumed the NFL had seen it, and they had to have seen it (an educated guess not a fact). But King reported that they had seen it, when the source didn't even say that to him.

[Doc]

You know what happens when you make an assumption? You make an "ass" out of "u" and "mption."

[NoSaint]

King has some explaining to do, too. Even in the mea culpa he says the source assumed the NFL had seen it, and they had to have seen it (an educated guess not a fact). But King reported that they had seen it, when the source didn't even say that to him.

 

And you know those words were all chosen very deliberately. That the nfl never refuted it is surprising though, if true.

[Mr. WEO]

And you know those words were all chosen very deliberately. That the nfl never refuted it is surprising though, if true.

 

The league never denied seeing the tape until today (they were asked about it back then). Therefore it was widely assumed they saw the tape. King is calling out the league as lying, in so many words.

[Kelly the Dog]

And you know those words were all chosen very deliberately. That the nfl never refuted it is surprising though, if true.

Them going to King, or even answering a question from him, is almost inviting further investigation from him, which no matter what actually happened would be a bad thing for them. I don't find it surprising or unusual or incriminating at all, although if I had to guess they just didn't go after the tape they knew about but perhaps never saw. Which is an egregious error IMO and something they should be taken to task for.

[Deranged Rhino]

I would just appreciate it if the NFL and the Ravens could drop the pretense of taking any particular moral stand or caring about domestic violence and stop insulting the intelligence of football fans.

 

The NFL and Ravens both made their feelings on the matter perfectly clear when they only suspended him for 2 games. Beating a woman is better than sparking a jay in NFL circles. They can't run from that, no matter what happens today. All they did today was confirm where their priorities lie.

[4merper4mer]

Pegula smells a discount.

[Kelly the Dog]

Harvey Levin says they will release information that shows the NFL knew about it and did nothing. That's possible for sure. But he's a slimeball, too, so not sure I believe him either, or that what they show will be proof. The NFL is just flat wrong whichever way this plays out.

[Rob's House]

Keith Oberman who is not liked on this board just called for Goodell's resignation. But yea, the league has some morality issues

Right in their own backyard.

 

Perfect illustration of why Olbermann is widely considered a joke of a man. I'm not crazy about Goodell, but calling for his resignation for not acting as a strict enough moral authoritarian is the epitome of self-righteous retardation. We have court systems for that.

 

* Assuming this is his rationale.

[FireChan]

 

 

The NFL and Ravens both made their feelings on the matter perfectly clear when they only suspended him for 2 games. Beating a woman is better than sparking a jay in NFL circles. They can't run from that, no matter what happens today. All they did today was confirm where their priorities lie.

 

Wrong. Beating a woman is worse than smoking a jay for the NFL. Now 3 jays? That evens it out for them.

[Tiberius]

 

Still don't understand why it's different now if he admitted to it before. But, whatever.

 

Surprised the video came out. I would think Rice and/or the Ravens would have paid more for that video than TMZ would.

Because a picture is worth a thousand words.

[TXBILLSFAN]

Bottom line, Rice deserved a much longer suspension than 2 games for his actions, which, unfortunately for him were caught on tape. The video, in my opinion, shows there was little if any physical threat by his fiance and there was certainly a more peaceful, non-physical solution for him to take. Based on the video, he should get a one year suspension and have to apply for reinstatement based on seeking counseling etc.

 

The second issue, is probably the one that warrants more discussion, what did the NFL (and Ravens and police) know about what happened in the elevator. I hope for all of their sakes, that the video was not available and they based their earlier rulings on the testimony of Rice and his fiance, if not, they are completely in the wrong.

 

Lastly, the Suggs issues (that was raised) as well as several others, point out that the NFL has an inconsistent moral compass and is hypocritical (to say the least) when it comes to punishment for transgressions of it's players and employees. It doesn't, however, change what Rice deserves for his actions

[RuntheDamnBall]

OK, so he is cut. There should really only be a period of a suspension, in reality. He was not arrested.

 

This is his livelihood. It is bad PR for him to be hired by someone, but seriously, it bothers me that some people think he should be cut off from working.

Most people who do this and get caught with this kind of evidence go to jail, and have a felony on their record that will DEFINITELY hurt their prospects for employment. I don't feel bad for the dude at all. He made his decisions.

[Tiberius]

Your kidding right? There is no defending a man hitting a woman. i watched the video, and yes she slapped him, and then came at him a second time. You don't clock her. You grab and restrain her, and walk away. Period.

No excuse. My daughter is an angel, and sure she would never attack a man over any argument, but even if she made a stupid decision, there is no justifying a man clocking a woman. None.

 

You are emphatically wrong. WALK AWAY.

I can walk away from a man challenging me because I'm an adult, and I was an elite wrestler, powerlifter, bouncer, and so on in my younger days. I'm an adult. i can walk away from any conflict unless my family was in danger. That is the only reason to use violence against someone.

Absolutely! No question

[Dirtbag]

Perfect illustration of why Olbermann is widely considered a joke of a man. I'm not crazy about Goodell, but calling for his resignation for not acting as a strict enough moral authoritarian is the epitome of self-righteous retardation. We have court systems for that.

 

* Assuming this is his rationale.

olbermann: http://deadspin.com/keith-olbermann-on-roger-goodell-an-enabler-of-men-wh-1632150757

 

i completely agree with him.

[Tiberius]

 

Most people who do this and get caught with this kind of evidence go to jail, and have a felony on their record that will DEFINITELY hurt their prospects for employment. I don't feel bad for the dude at all. He made his decisions.

Great point

[Fadingpain]

I will go on record right now as saying that this is going to get a whole lot bigger than it is now, and it's already pretty big.

 

Goodell should and perhaps will lose his job over this. GREAT!

 

I love Keith Olbermann by the way.

 

I would wager quite a bit that the NFL saw the in-elevator footage when they issued the original 2 game suspension.

 

And oh, for the record, let's call Rice what he is: a subhuman.

 

I see this man being dead within a few years. I suspect he will end up banned for life and out of money. Maybe in jail. And then it's a matter of time before he's dead. Maybe suicide; in-prison violence. Who knows. The world will be a slightly better place.

 

Also: shocking to read some of the comments posted here over the span of 17 pages. Jesus Christ.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

King is calling out the league as lying, in so many words.

 

Exactly. King was in damage-control mode as an early guest on the Jim Rome show today... almost right off the bat & with a fill-in-host nonetheless.

 

The clips of Schefter on deadspin really show how upset he is that, as one of the most plugged-in NFL reporters, his reputation is perhaps quite besmirched in some viewers eyes because he was led to believe that all factors were considered in the initial ruling and reported as such.

 

You can almost see the smoke coming out of his ears as he is talking and realizing the size of the firestorm that is brewing with the release of this video on the heels of the McDonald situation & fresh in the wake of their newly "toughened" stance against domestic violence.

 

They are basically forced to call the NFL out on their BS in the way it has all been handled.

Edited September 8, 2014 by HankBulloughMellencamp

[Doc]

Everybody's in spin mode right now. Some have to cover for their lies, others have to cover for their lack of due diligence in reporting the story initially.

[Rob's House]

 

olbermann: http://deadspin.com/keith-olbermann-on-roger-goodell-an-enabler-of-men-wh-1632150757

 

i completely agree with him.

 

Big surprise.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

Everybody's in spin mode right now. Some have to cover for their lies, others have to cover for their lack of due diligence in reporting the story initially.

 

Rice is now getting all that he deserves, except for probably jail time. Lots of people culpable in this mess, but none more than him.

 

If King Roger can not withstand this firestorm, I will not be the least bit forlorn. The audacity of this commissionership has been appalling to say the least, with James Harrison as exhibit A. Roger's judge/jury fines and suspensions for subjective interpretations of the rule book on Monday mornings were only the beginning, we can now see.

 

I wonder if they will announce who is going to pony up to entertain us at halftime of the Super Bowl anytime soon. You might see some of the 'finalists' say thanks but no thanks.

[Fadingpain]

Rice is now getting all that he deserves, except for probably jail time. Lots of people culpable in this mess, but none more than him.

 

If King Roger can not withstand this firestorm, I will not be the least bit forlorn. The audacity of this commissionership has been appalling to say the least, with James Harrison as exhibit A. Roger's judge/jury fines and suspensions for subjective interpretations of the rule book on Monday mornings were only the beginning, we can now see.

 

I wonder if they will announce who is going to pony up to entertain us at halftime of the Super Bowl anytime soon. You might see some of the 'finalists' say thanks but no thanks.

 

Well said. This puts a new spin on Monday Night Football tonight. I don't know how you can pretend it is business as usual with this firestorm underway!

 

How can they avoid talking about it the entire time!?

[26CornerBlitz]

@EyeOnNFL

John Harbaugh: Ray Rice video 'wasn't made available to us' http://cbsprt.co/1Bo7BKl

via @cbssports pic.twitter.com/SQifurXQ2V

[Pondslider]

The CFL is honoring the suspension too.

http://m.cfl.ca/article/mark-cohon-issues-a-statement-regarding-ray-rice

 

There's always the arena league. Does that still exist?

[3rdand12]

@EyeOnNFL

John Harbaugh: Ray Rice video 'wasn't made available to us' http://cbsprt.co/1Bo7BKl

via @cbssports pic.twitter.com/SQifurXQ2V

okay. i trust him. They said they did their due diligence so thats good enough for me .

[Mr. WEO]

It really makes little sense that all parties (the NFL, Rice's lawyer, law inforcement, the Ravens) would have seen one tape but not both.

 

The sad irony is that no one here, or anywhere, for that matter, would have thought twice if all we knew about Rice hitting his wife is that he knocked her out and hotel security responded and called the cops and charges were not pressed.

 

No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players.

 

 

The video is the ONLY difference in Rice's case. We able to ignore the violence every other guy perpetrated (see Suggs) because we didn't SEE it-like it never happened.

 

All of this outcry is chest beating and harrumphing. Everyone feels better about this now that Rice is history. The next guy won't be cuaght on camera delivering the beating and we will go back to saying "oh well, that's just what these guys are like...."

 

Ridiculous.

[Captain Caveman]

To put this in context, here is Brandon Marshall's history. Not sure how up to date it is. Suspensions are underlined.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4675509/a-timeline-of-marshall%E2%80%99s-off-field-problems

 

Oct. 31 2004: Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on a law enforcement officer from a Halloween night arrest his junior year at Central Florida. All charges were ultimately dismissed.

April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after police in Orlando accused him of trying to return a stolen set of bed sheets at a Burlington Coat Factory. The charge was dropped.

June 17, 2006: Marshall and his then-girlfriend Rasheedah Watley both filed police reports alleging physical abuse by the other in an hours-long fight at Marshall's Orlando apartment. No arrests were made.

Jan 1, 2007: According to court testimony in the murder trial in which Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was the victim and Willie E. Clark was the defendant, Marshall and his cousin were involved in an altercation outside a downtown Denver nightclub with Willie E. Clark and Daniel "Ponytail" Harris. Prosecutors believe an enraged Clark followed a limousine that he thought Marshall and his cousin were in. Clark was found guilty of firing at least 15 shots into the crowded limousine that killed Williams. Marshall and his cousin were in another vehicle. Clark is serving a life sentence.

Jan. 24, 2007: Police interview Marshall and his father after an argument in an Orlando parking lot. Marshall claimed his father tried to run him over with his car, while the father told police Marshall had shot a gun. Both declined to press charges.

March 18, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police that Marshall had punched her and taken her purse while at a downtown hotel. Marshall left before police arrived and no charges were filed.

March 21, 2007: Police in Palm Beach County, Fla., interviewed Marshall and Watley twice in one night after two loud arguments. Both said the incidents were not physical, and no arrests were made.

March 26, 2007: Marshall was arrested in Highlands Ranch, Colo., on charges of domestic violence and false imprisonment after another argument with Watley. Marshall hired attorney Harvey Steinberg to defend him and charges were dropped in May 2007.

June 8, 2007: Two incident reports were filed by Atlanta police. The first was to investigate damage to private property when Watley's friend alleged that Marshall hit her car, in which Watley was a passenger, then threw a rock at the passenger door. In the other, Watley told police Marshall had cut her in the thigh and punched her in the face. She was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Marshall was not on the scene and no charges were filed.

June 30, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police Marshall had punched and choked her at his downtown condo, leaving a bruise on her eye and scratches on her body. He was not on scene and no charges were filed.

Oct. 22, 2007: Marshall was arrested and charged with DUI after he allegedly was driving the wrong way on a one-way street in downtown Denver hours after a Broncos game.

March 4-6, 2008: Three incident reports (filed on consecutive days) and one criminal warrant were filed after Watley and Marshall got into a fight at his Atlanta condo. Watley told police Marshall had punched her in the mouth and eye. Marshall told police his hand was also cut on glass during the incident, which included Watley's two younger sisters. Marshall was arrested on March 6 on a misdemeanor battery charge.

May 21, 2008: An Atlanta police officer was dispatched to Marshall's condo to enforce Watley's temporary restraining order while Watley was there removing her belongings. The officer described Marshall as being cooperative and Watley as being argumentative, though Watley told the officer she felt threatened by Marshall and his relatives who were also there.

Aug. 5, 2008: The NFL announced that Marshall was suspended for first three games (it was later reduced to one) of the season for violating NFL personal conduct policy.

March 1, 2009: Marshall took part in a fierce argument with Watley (his fiancée at the time) that leads to their arrest on disorderly conduct charges. The charges are dismissed the next day.

Aug. 14, 2009: A six-person Atlanta jury acquits Marshall on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from the March 6, 2008 incident.

Aug. 28, 2009: Coach Josh McDaniels suspends Marshall for the remainder of the preseason for conduct detrimental to the team the day after he lost his cool at practice, punting away a football and batting down balls in frustration. He was reinstated on Sept. 6.

Feb. 26, 2010: Marshall testifies for the prosecution in the murder trial of Willie Clark, the man accused of killing former Bronco Darrent Williams on Jan. 1, 2007. Marshall was out with Williams the night of the murder.

April 22, 2011: Michi Nogami-Marshall, the women whom Marshall married three weeks prior, is arrested and jailed after she admits to police she stabbed her husband with a kitchen knife in self-defense. Marshall is hospitalized following emergency surgery to repair a non-life threatening stab wound to his stomach.

June 10, 2011: Nogami-Marshall is arrested after violating restraining order to stay away from Brandon Marshall and the couple’s home.

July 14, 2011: Marshall reportedly tells Florida state attorney’s office that his wife did not stab him.

July 29, 2011: Aggravated battery charges against Nogami-Marshall are dropped.

March 11, 2012: Marshall allegedly punches a woman at a Manhattan nightclub.

 

No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players.

 

Probably - the Marshall example is a pretty good case study. Marshall seems to have turned it around, staying out of trouble for a few years. Hopefully he can continue to do the same.

[Deranged Rhino]

It really makes little sense that all parties (the NFL, Rice's lawyer, law inforcement, the Ravens) would have seen one tape but not both.

 

The sad irony is that no one here, or anywhere, for that matter, would have thought twice if all we knew about Rice hitting his wife is that he knocked her out and hotel security responded and called the cops and charges were not pressed.

 

No one would be calling for him to be cut/suspended indefinitely. His suspension was exactly what nearly every spousal/SO abuser before him got in the NFL--avg of 1.6 game suspension for 15 players.

 

 

The video is the ONLY difference in Rice's case. We able to ignore the violence every other guy perpetrated (see Suggs) because we didn't SEE it-like it never happened.

 

All of this outcry is chest beating and harrumphing. Everyone feels better about this now that Rice is history. The next guy won't be cuaght on camera delivering the beating and we will go back to saying "oh well, that's just what these guys are like...."

 

Ridiculous.

 

This post needs a de-coder ring to be able to understand its point.

[Mr. WEO]

This post needs a de-coder ring to be able to understand its point.

 

Wow, let me slow it down for you.

 

This is a social media frenzy only. People feel they have to act only after being shown what they already knew to have happened. No one called for the cutting or banishment of Suggs after he terrorized his family. Without TMZ, this story is buried in the NFL police blotter weeks ago.

[DC Tom]

Keith Oberman who is not liked on this board just called for Goodell's resignation. But yea, the league has some morality issues

Right in their own backyard.

 

The league doesn't have any morality issues.

 

The one thing abundantly clear by their actions today is that they couldn't care less about domestic violence by the players. They only care about how the league's perceived. That's why they're reacting to a salacious video of an event that differs in no marked way from the already-known description of that event. Rice hasn't been cut because he committed aggravated assault. He's been cut because a video of him committing aggravated assault embarrassed the league.

 

So the league doesn't have any morality issues. It has no moral stance, period. It's only concerned with image. It would have to have morals to have issues.