Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Seems the shooter was a trans gender female. This is going to get interesting Oh damn. I was thinking a jilted lover or a molested individual. Could be , but yes there’s much more to be discovered here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Irv said: Demented Biden cracking jokes and politicizing the whole thing. We need a real leader. Not some *****-for-brains. What a mess. Because it 'political. Other countries have found reasonable compromises that allow guns for hunting and recreation but not designed specifically for killing people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: Because it 'political. Other countries have found reasonable compromises that allow guns for hunting and recreation but not designed specifically for killing people A gun that can be used for hunting can kill people. We don’t even know that this shooter couldn’t have carried out todays bloodbath with just a handgun or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Fine, don’t take the guns away. Bare minimum should be red flag laws where the SECOND someone reports you for obvious mental issues, all your guns go bye-bye for good. Please explain how the public education system created this? Huh? Your ex-wife reports you because she hates you so she says you have some type of "mental issue"... your 2A rights should disappear forever? LOL I'm a mental health counselor and I can tell you, you CAN lose your gun rights if you have 'certain' mental diagnosis or have been inpatient for certain reasons. You should NOT lose your gun rights for being just having a mental disorder. There are certain criteria involved and each state is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: A gun that can be used for hunting can kill people. We don’t even know that this shooter couldn’t have carried out todays bloodbath with just a handgun or two. Of course they can but they're not nearly as effective at killing large numbers of people which assault rifles do all too well. 9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Huh? Your ex-wife reports you because she hates you so she says you have some type of "mental issue"... your 2A rights should disappear forever? LOL I'm a mental health counselor and I can tell you, you CAN lose your gun rights if you have 'certain' mental diagnosis or have been inpatient for certain reasons. You should NOT lose your gun rights for being just having a mental disorder. There are certain criteria involved and each state is different. In your state, what dx's qualify for a person losing his/her gun rights? Edited March 27, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: Of course they can but they're not nearly as effective at killing large numbers of people which assault rifles do all too well. I believe “ assault rifle” is an invented term that sounds menacing but has little basis in fact. I’m no gun expert but I’m sure there are others who can chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I believe “ assault rifle” is an invented term that sounds menacing but has little basis in fact. I’m no gun expert but I’m sure there are others who can chime in. AR=assault rifle. but sure, dive deep into semi vs automatic AR like the gun lobby propaganda does. Edited March 27, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: AR=assault rifle. lol come on you cant possibly be that dumb? are you putting on an act? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: AR=assault rifle. Again , consult a gun expert. There is nothing distinguishing about the weapon from many others , that is my point. It’s a broad term without specificity and that is usually the hang up in any potential legislation. It’s far too broad. Edited March 27, 2023 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: AR=assault rifle. but sure, dive deep into semi vs automatic AR like the gun lobby propaganda does. ArmaLite rifle is what it stands for. how are you this ignorant? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Again , consult a gun expert. There is nothing distinguishing about the weapon from many others , that is my point. It’s a broad term without specificity and that is usually the hang up in any potential legislation. It’s far too broad. They can easily be defined in legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: ArmaLite rifle is what it stands for. how are you this ignorant? Oh sorry, three small children were killed by an ARMALITE rifle, my bad, makes a huge difference 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: They can easily be defined in legislation. But yet they never are.. it’s a catch all that could be most guns. That’s a non starter for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Huh? Your ex-wife reports you because she hates you so she says you have some type of "mental issue"... your 2A rights should disappear forever? LOL I'm a mental health counselor and I can tell you, you CAN lose your gun rights if you have 'certain' mental diagnosis or have been inpatient for certain reasons. You should NOT lose your gun rights for being just having a mental disorder. There are certain criteria involved and each state is different. You can have them back after you are proven to be sane. No nonsense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Oh sorry, three small children were killed by an ARMALITE rifle, my bad, makes a huge difference 🙄 so you support sharing misinformation now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: Oh sorry, three small children were killed by an ARMALITE rifle, my bad, makes a huge difference 🙄 No , they were killed by a crazed woman ( we think anyway) intent on killing someone that was able to access a building that (s)he shouldn’t have been. The weapon used changes nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, aristocrat said: so you support sharing misinformation now? You do - just two hours ago - in this very thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, BillStime said: You do - just two hours ago - in this very thread Your post shows that specific bill wasn't passed. It was a completely different bill passed. Parts of the one i mentioned were in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Glad the women got killed. should be a death sentence for anyone that uses a weapon to kill people. some killers get out of prison in 15 years. the person they killed never gets to come out of the grave. you shoot some one or stab someone then 25 years in prison. If they survive No Electric devices no exercise area no getting out of the cell. no bail Edited March 27, 2023 by mead107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: They can easily be defined in legislation. What's that, a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Your post shows that specific bill wasn't passed. It was a completely different bill passed. Parts of the one i mentioned were in it. It was PART of a BIGGER bill Take the L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Easy to compromise/recruit. Mental health professionals create a patient for 60 plus years with every moron parent of a 6 year old that brings them in to discuss a possible “transition” or whatever this person is. Genius, trash professionals also compromised by CCP Woke trash. Well if not recruited, the girls are losing their minds now. What a country. Ban the guns tho. Edited March 27, 2023 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No , they were killed by a crazed woman ( we think anyway) intent on killing someone that was able to access a building that (s)he shouldn’t have been. The weapon used changes nothing. Think she would have had an easier time using a knife, slingshot, etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 If the problem isn’t the guns, why do we have such a higher rate of gun deaths than our peer nations? If you start controlling for variables, the answer is obvious: it’s the guns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Think she would have had an easier time using a knife, slingshot, etc? Well, being trans was removed from being listed as a mental illness a few years back. Having a mental illness would have been a disqualification for buying the rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Think she would have had an easier time using a knife, slingshot, etc? No. However , banning all guns is simply not going to happen - nor should it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If the problem isn’t the guns, why do we have such a higher rate of gun deaths than our peer nations? If you start controlling for variables, the answer is obvious: it’s the guns. No no, it’s *insert 8000 other excuses here* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If the problem isn’t the guns, why do we have such a higher rate of gun deaths than our peer nations? If you start controlling for variables, the answer is obvious: it’s the guns. Doesn’t equal causation. The variables are cultural. Also explains the reason for the breakdowns of who is involved / responsible for “ most” shootings. The presence of a gun does nothing on its own. The constitutional right shall not be infringed. People much smarter than you - and me - decided this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Conservative explanations for US gun violence: - Mental illness (but don’t you dare spend $1 to help people with mental illness) -Doors -The gays - Not enough guns -The progressive prosecutor movement that began well after the gun violence epidemic began (time traveling progressive prosecutors?) - Not enough guns - Barack Obama - Americans are inferior people who like killing - Single parent families - decline of religion - Abortions - Cities - Not enough guns - Joe Biden - Literally anything that can be linked to a Democrat, no matter how dumb -People being mean about cops - Teachers not having guns What the rest of the world, researchers, scientists, and literally everyone else who understands basic root cause analysis clearly sees as the obvious reason: - Easy access to guns Edited March 27, 2023 by ChiGoose 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: No no, it’s *insert 8000 other excuses here* The excuses are those provided for criminals and their actions , not the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: No. However , banning all guns is simply not going to happen - nor should it. Well something has to give, mate. Dead 9 year olds are starting to leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Conservative explanations for US gun violence: - Mental illness (but don’t you dare spend $1 to help people with mental illness) -Doors -The gays - Not enough guns -The progressive prosecutor movement that began well after the gun violence epidemic began (time traveling progressive prosecutors?) - Not enough guns - Barack Obama - Americans are inferior people who like killing - Single parent families - decline of religion - Abortions - Cities - Not enough guns - Joe Biden - Literally anything that can be linked to a Democrat, no matter how dumb -People being mean about cops - Teachers not having guns What the rest of the world, researchers, scientists, and literally everyone else who understands basic root cause analysis clearly sees as the obvious reason: - Easy access to guns So killers just become great people then , if not for the 2nd Amendment ? Sounds like a LOT of excuses for awful people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Well something has to give, mate. Dead 9 year olds are starting to leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Nothing has to give if a pile of children’s corpses doesn’t bother you. Just now, Boatdrinks said: So killers just become great people then , if not for the 2nd Amendment ? Sounds like a LOT of excuses for awful people. There is absolute zero point in discussion potential solutions to the gun violence problem with people who cannot understand basic facts about why we have one. Some people just find it easier to let kids die than to accept reality. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Well something has to give, mate. Dead 9 year olds are starting to leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. Secure the buildings ( seems it wasn’t or there was a breach) Armed Officer at the door etc. I’ll agree there’s nothing palatable about this. One thing that shouldn’t give is individual rights. Makes for a complex issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Secure the buildings ( seems it wasn’t or there was a breach) Armed Officer at the door etc. I’ll agree there’s nothing palatable about this. One thing that shouldn’t give is individual rights. Makes for a complex issue. The individual right to own a gun has been a long recognized Constitutional right dating back to… 2008. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 hours ago, aristocrat said: Anything to help stop school shootings right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 🎯 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Looks like the shooter has been identified as Transgender … first I’ve seen it confirmed. Anyway, this shooter is actually a man. Falls in line with a lot of other shootings now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Security failure here for sure. What will your excuse be when this happens in Arkansas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 31 minutes ago, BillStime said: 🎯 So sadly true. And morons will fixate on absurd social issues rather than dealing with our gun problem. Just put a line in the sand for what guns are too dangerous for the public. That will at least be a positive start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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