Doc Brown Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: There are things we can do to reduce gun deaths even with 2A. Not everything is just banning all guns. But because a significant minority of this country cannot understand the basic fact that it’s the easy availability of guns that cause gun deaths (and not whatever stupid thing they make up as a post-hoc justification for doing nothing), I’m not sure anything will get done. Once we decided that we were ok with kids being gunned down at school, we ended hope of even trying to save lives. Very little more than what's already been/being done unless you repeal the second amendment. After every school shooting like this you have one side clamoring for common sense gun reform laws and the other side saying they're politicizing the issue to try and take away their constitutional right. The first should be clamoring for repealing the second amendment. NO HALF MEASURES if you actually want to get anything substantial accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Very little more than what's already been/being done unless you repeal the second amendment. After every school shooting like this you have one side clamoring for common sense gun reform laws and the other side saying they're politicizing the issue to try and take away their constitutional right. The first should be clamoring for repealing the second amendment. NO HALF MEASURES if you actually want to get anything substantial accomplished. Well, something to keep in mind that the brainwashed loonies have never read the entire 2A nor do they realize that the constitutional right for an individual to own a gun is not yet old enough to vote. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Very little more than what's already been/being done unless you repeal the second amendment. After every school shooting like this you have one side clamoring for common sense gun reform laws and the other side saying they're politicizing the issue to try and take away their constitutional right. The first should be clamoring for repealing the second amendment. NO HALF MEASURES if you actually want to get anything substantial accomplished. And then. What's the goal and what do you think the outcome was would be. And ratification? Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Brown Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Chris farley said: And then. What's the goal and what do you think the outcome was would be. By calling for repealing the second amendment you can shift the debate to the left making a lot of the "common sense" gun laws that have been debated ad nauseum more of a moderate position. Somewhat how the ACA is now seen as moderate after the left pushing calling for Medicare for All. All I ever hear every time a tragedy like this happen is feckless democrats preface every minor gun control proposal as assuring people that we're not here to take your guns away. Their message should be "owning guns should be a privilege and not a right. In order to make that a true reality we need to repeal the second amendment." Nothing substantial will happen until they take that position. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: By calling for repealing the second amendment you can shift the debate to the left making a lot of the "common sense" gun laws that have been debated ad nauseum more of a moderate position. Somewhat how the ACA is now seen as moderate after the left pushing calling for Medicare for All. All I ever hear every time a tragedy like this happen is feckless democrats preface every minor gun control proposal as assuring people that we're not here to take your guns away. Their message should be "owning guns should be a privilege and not a right. In order to make that a true reality we need to repeal the second amendment." Nothing substantial will happen until they take that position. How would the second be removed? Im talking logistically and reality. "The Constitution’s Article V requires that an amendment be proposed by two-thirds of the House and Senate, or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is up to the states to approve a new amendment, with three-quarters of the states voting to ratifying it" There are thousands of gun laws on the books. most mass shootings are in and where DEM DA's have the authority to charge. and they choose to be lax on crime and release violent criminals back on the street. won't even charges for things like gun possession in many cities. and something is broken with the NICS check (FBI) and its 24 hour reporting for failed checks. There are some very low hangings fruit that could be legislated. but that doesn't seem to be the goal of the anti-second voices. So logistically, how would the second be repealed. then how would the 300+ million guns in people's possession, be removed. this the part where it gets interesting. Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 If only we could do something about those locked doors Ah f it - kids don’t matter - guns do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 16 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Of course they can but they're not nearly as effective at killing large numbers of people which assault rifles do all too well. In your state, what dx's qualify for a person losing his/her gun rights? If you're a danger to yourself or others. You also can't sell a firearm to someone who wants to do those things. But in states like Mass, where my oldest is in college... if you've been committed to a mental health facility in the past 5 years for whatever reason, you aren't allowed to get a firearm. So it varies. 15 hours ago, aristocrat said: Well, being trans was removed from being listed as a mental illness a few years back. Having a mental illness would have been a disqualification for buying the rifles. No, it hasn't. It's still a mental disorder in the DSM-5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: If you're a danger to yourself or others. You also can't sell a firearm to someone who wants to do those things. But in states like Mass, where my oldest is in college... if you've been committed to a mental health facility in the past 5 years for whatever reason, you aren't allowed to get a firearm. So it varies. No, it hasn't. It's still a mental disorder in the DSM-5 not very specific. As a clinical psychologist you should know since you've probably gone in front of a magistrate for such patients. What dx did you give the magistrate? Did antisocial personality d/o get it done? If so, trump shouldn't be able to buy a gun nor a bunch of his MAGA cult. Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 17 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Another shooting. Another string of people blaming absolutely everything instead of the obvious cause of our shooting epidemic. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Change nothing and just stack the bodies of the kids in the corner or whatever. just chiming in with dust settling. the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 The media continue to report "AR-style weapons" were used. One appeared to be an "AR-22" which is a .22LR and one was a Kel-Tec .380, which is NOT an AR-style anything. It's a black gun. That's the only thing that is related to an AR-platform... the color. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: The media continue to report "AR-style weapons" were used. One appeared to be an "AR-22" which is a .22LR and one was a Kel-Tec .380, which is NOT an AR-style anything. It's a black gun. That's the only thing that is related to an AR-platform... the color. and the ability to efficiently kill many innocents in a short time period...but I'm sure the murderers choose these rifles cuz they're black Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, boyst said: just chiming in with dust settling. the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick. Wrong. If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, boyst said: just chiming in with dust settling. the obvious case? it's a mental health issue. we can blame men just as much as the gun because look how many of these are carried out by men. the YWNBARG went into a school and was clearly a mental health issue being at it's base a dude who thought it was a chick. And there you go ladies and gentlemen - the official GQP/NRA buzzwords and talking point have been regurgitated for the millionth time. Amazing, the United States is the ONLY country on this planet that suffers from mental health???? We are THAT SPECIAL? jfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Because we think. We use logic. You’re all emotion no thought no logic. Your kind is dangerous. Ban duh guns. Never mind the countless lives the very presence of those guns saves every single day. In a country of 400 million people, to do the thinks your kind wants to do turns into full CCP Land. Those guns, and that dam Constitution and the remaining American Judges that still believe in it, are all that stands in the way of it becoming some dystopian nightmare like North Korea, China or worse, Canada. Actually, many argue that shotguns are the best home defense weapons. When your hands are shaking and you're about to kill someone, you won't miss with a shotgun. Personally, I'm attached to an 870. Great for all types of varmints. Oh, and loyal, robust dogs are probably even better for protecting your home. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/best-home-defense-shotgun/ https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/pets/g22997516/best-guard-dogs/ #3 is my fav here. Closely followed by #10. Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Wrong. If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness… Americans are entitled fat consumption based mouth breathers. Most other cultures, not so much. The medical community is enabling this as much as anyone because there is so muc- profit to be made in the tranny trend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Wrong. If the root cause was mental health, then we should have similar rates of gun violence as other nations. But ours is much, much higher. Unless you’re saying that you think Americans are innately inferior to Europeans and other cultures and therefore subject to far higher rates of mental illness… Maybe something about the NICS check asking those questions and the threat of 250K dollar fine isnt stopping criminals. maybe a way to actually verify the FBI NICS check. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics If the goal is to go after the problem vs legal citizens exercising their rights. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download This question jumps out. "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, boyst said: Americans are entitled fat consumption based mouth breathers. Most other cultures, not so much. The medical community is enabling this as much as anyone because there is so muc- profit to be made in the tranny trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: and the ability to efficiently kill many innocents in a short time period...but I'm sure the murderers choose these rifles cuz they're black You can do that with ANY firearm. Handguns were used in the worst school shooting in American history. A shotgun was used at Parkland. Kel-Tec .380 = slightly less power than the Glock 19 (which is a handgun) in 9mm (casing and powder amount is smaller). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Actually, many argue that shotguns are the best home defense weapons. When your hands are shaking and you're about to kill someone, you won't miss with a shotgun. Personally, I'm attached to an 870. Great for all types of varmints. Oh, and loyal, robust dogs are probably even better for protecting your home. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/best-home-defense-shotgun/ Little long and large to use in a home, but cant argue. the sound alone of the racking is something. shot doesn't kill through dry wall. Dont have to Aim, just point. But you gonna need a permit for one of them in say NYC, and they dont give out permits to plebs. Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 hours ago, LeviF said: Boy that Tucker guy sure is nuts, huh? My goodness, you guys are easy to program. "All transgender people are terrorists." It's so easy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Maybe something about the NICS check asking those questions and the threat of 250K dollar fine isnt stopping criminals. maybe a way to actually verify the FBI NICS check. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics If the goal is to go after the problem vs legal citizens exercising their rights. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download This question jumps out. "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside" are drug tests required to get a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: are drug tests required to get a gun? Of course they aren't. Should they be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: are drug tests required to get a gun? Like I said, maybe criminals dont care about the huge fines and prison for lying on it. Maybe an actual check would be something imagine if they did, or had medical records. Lots of folks wouldn't own or would be charged with lying. Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, ArdmoreRyno said: Of course they aren't. Should they be? if the intent of the law is to stop drug users from getting them (and that certainly appears to be the case) then yes, obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: if the intent of the law is to stop drug users from getting them (and that certainly appears to be the case) then yes, obviously. What is the cut off? Would opioids be a no? Marijuana a no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Little long and large to use in a home, but cant argue. the sound alone of the racking is something. shot doesn't kill through dry wall. Dont have to Aim, just point. But you gonna need a permit for one of them in say NYC, and they dont give out permits to plebs. As a law enforcement friend told me, if you rack a round, you better be ready to kill.. 1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said: What is the cut off? Would opioids be a no? Marijuana a no? did you somehow miss this: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) https://web.extension.illinois.edu/unusedmeds/disposal/List_of_controlled_substances.pdf#:~:text=List of Common Controlled Substances DRUG NAME (alphabetically),Buprenorphine Butorphanol Carisoprodol Chlorazepate Chlordiazepoxide Choral Hydrate Clonazepam Got a feeling the pot one will go away as soon as the feds declassify, there seems to be a lot of inertia on that aspect. its an Idea. the really interesting part is the addiction wording. cause one can have a prescription and be addicted to it. And now drug test are as easy as biting down on a spung on a popsicle stick. Edited March 28, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, boyst said: Americans are entitled fat consumption based mouth breathers. Most other cultures, not so much. The medical community is enabling this as much as anyone because there is so muc- profit to be made in the tranny trend. If there was an award for dumbest take, I think “gun violence is the fault of doctors and trans people” would take the top prize. Just absolute brain dead garbage. Amazing stuff right here. Do you ever try to reach a conclusion based on facts or do you just jump to blaming people you dislike without evidence? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If there was an award for dumbest take, I think “gun violence is the fault of doctors and trans people” would take the top prize. Just absolute brain dead garbage. Amazing stuff right here. Do you ever try to reach a conclusion based on facts or do you just jump to blaming people you dislike without evidence? Like I said, they are so predictable and easy to program. Just give them the right buzzwords and there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: If there was an award for dumbest take, I think “gun violence is the fault of doctors and trans people” would take the top prize. Just absolute brain dead garbage. Amazing stuff right here. Do you ever try to reach a conclusion based on facts or do you just jump to blaming people you dislike without evidence? Lol this is PPP. Every take on here is about as dumb as you can get. Intelligent thought and original ideas were lost here a long long time ago. It is nothing but one upmanship by the low brows of bills time, tibs, and whoever else was left to run this asylum. So, take your insults home because they won't get that far with adults interested in having a discussion. Unless you want to have a flame war then I suggest engaging a ###### here who is low enough brow to do so... And edit... I don't even know who you are to have a worthy opinion of your value. You're likely a new kid who never got taken to task over ***** takes so you think it's acceptable to post hashtag thoughts. Anyway, I'll leave the stink here to the trolls that this place was bestowed. Edited March 28, 2023 by boyst 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, boyst said: Lol this is PPP. Every take on here is about as dumb as you can get. Intelligent thought and original ideas were lost here a long long time ago. It is nothing but one upmanship by the low brows of bills time, tibs, and whoever else was left to run this asylum. So, take your insults home because they won't get that far with adults interested in having a discussion. Unless you want to have a flame war then I suggest engaging a ###### here who is low enough brow to do so... And edit... I don't even know who you are to have a worthy opinion of your value. You're likely a new kid who never got taken to task over ***** takes so you think it's acceptable to post hashtag thoughts. Anyway, I'll leave the stink here to the trolls that this place was bestowed. I’m just a guy who likes to provide evidence for his claims. I know it’s unusual for PPP but I’m not going to change who I am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, boyst said: Lol this is PPP. Every take on here is about as dumb as you can get. Intelligent thought and original ideas were lost here a long long time ago. It is nothing but one upmanship by the low brows of bills time, tibs, and whoever else was left to run this asylum. So, take your insults home because they won't get that far with adults interested in having a discussion. Unless you want to have a flame war then I suggest engaging a ###### here who is low enough brow to do so... And edit... I don't even know who you are to have a worthy opinion of your value. You're likely a new kid who never got taken to task over ***** takes so you think it's acceptable to post hashtag thoughts. Anyway, I'll leave the stink here to the trolls that this place was bestowed. In other words, stop arguing with the MAGA's cuz you're hurting their feelings... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, boyst said: Lol this is PPP. Every take on here is about as dumb as you can get. Intelligent thought and original ideas were lost here a long long time ago. It is nothing but one upmanship by the low brows of bills time, tibs, and whoever else was left to run this asylum. So, take your insults home because they won't get that far with adults interested in having a discussion. Unless you want to have a flame war then I suggest engaging a ###### here who is low enough brow to do so... Go back to yourself place and have those ADULT conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: In other words, stop arguing with the MAGA's cuz you're hurting their feelings... This is why adults don't conversate here. You get a ###### like yourself branding descent. Intelligence can't be shared when labels are cast so easily. Grow up, kiddo 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I’m just a guy who likes to provide evidence for his claims. I know it’s unusual for PPP but I’m not going to change who I am. No, you provide opinions. And you use insults to do so. Used to be a time I did that, too. It got old. It even got unwelcome. If you want to have a bunch of insults and blast each other - I am gonna see my way out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, boyst said: This is why adults don't conversate here. You get a ###### like yourself branding descent. Intelligence can't be shared when labels are cast so easily. Grow up, kiddo c'mon. I'm not supposed to challenge folks who claim they practice white supremacy 8 days a week? or claim professions and knowledge they clearly don't possess? Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: c'mon. I'm not supposed to challenge folks who claim they practice white supremacy 8 days a week? ??? Where did I claim this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, boyst said: ??? Where did I claim this? not you. don't take everything personally. but stay and play. It's a bit dank and stinky but can be fun. Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: not you. don't take everything personally. So you're putting me in with MAGA because I agree with experts that there is a mental health crisis in this country? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, boyst said: So you're putting me in with MAGA because I agree with experts that there is a mental health crisis in this country? Nope. Explaining my incentive for posting here. truth/darkness. Edited March 28, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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