What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Biden:

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him—I said, 'What's the difference?'... I said, 'Why are they dying?' And they showed me x-rays. He said, 'A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.'
 

Biden:

 

“So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of—there's simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection”

 

Sorry Joe protecting myself by blowing the *****’s lung out is not only rational but required.  🤦🏻‍♂️

 

Biden now is wanting to go after the 9mm..... only the most popular self defense round in the country. 

 

But no, they don't want to go after our guns. 

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Biden now is wanting to go after the 9mm..... only the most popular self defense round in the country. 

 

But no, they don't want to go after our guns. 

Link? Biden is what? 

[Big Blitz]

Still no Ds challenging that blurb out of Canada about a de facto path to full gun ban?  

 

 

Stunned.  I'm stunned. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

The Lefts obsession with mocking Christians in times of crisis is quite telling.  

 

It reveals a deep rooted guilt that they know removing God from the public square has made this country worse off in every way imaginable. 

 

And, they know they're shallow insecure people that feel threatened by confident believers that know a higher power is in charge - not you.

 

Not in charge?  A leftists nightmare. 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by Big Blitz

[ALF]

In 2019, there were 6,261 Veteran suicide deaths, 399 fewer than in 2018.

Adjusting for age- and sex-differences, the rate among Veterans in 2019 was 52.3% higher than for non-Veteran US adults. The rate difference between Veterans and the non-Veteran U.S. population was highest in 2017 at 66.3%.

 

https://blogs.va.gov/VAntage/94358/2021-national-veteran-suicide-prevention-annual-report-shows-decrease-in-veteran-suicides/

 

This country is in desperate need of mental health counseling for all reasons. Too many potential patients to care for.

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

In 2019, there were 6,261 Veteran suicide deaths, 399 fewer than in 2018.

Adjusting for age- and sex-differences, the rate among Veterans in 2019 was 52.3% higher than for non-Veteran US adults. The rate difference between Veterans and the non-Veteran U.S. population was highest in 2017 at 66.3%.

 

https://blogs.va.gov/VAntage/94358/2021-national-veteran-suicide-prevention-annual-report-shows-decrease-in-veteran-suicides/

 

This country is in desperate need of mental health counseling for all reasons. Too many potential patients to care for.

 

They need to do so much more. I'm a mental health counselor and former Army. There are NO MOS's (Military Occupation Specialty) for a LPC (masters degree, licensed professional counselor). I would re-enlist if there was. There are jobs like Social Workers (masters degree) but not for counselors. You have to be a phycologist. 

 

My youngest daughter (now a soph at Ole Miss) established a non-profit "lemonade stand" when she was 8 and started raising money for Mission 22 and Paws for Purple Hearts. Mission 22 is a GREAT org. trying to help stop veteran suicide if anyone wants to donate to help. 

10 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Link? Biden is what? 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/05/30/remarks-by-president-biden-after-marine-one-arrival-10/

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

Four days after saying that the gunman who massacred children in a Uvalde, Tex., elementary school had gotten inside through a door “propped open by a teacher,” the state agency investigating the massacre now says the educator had closed the door.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/31/uvalde-teacher-door-closed/

Sure, blame the teacher! Wow

[T master]

10 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Link? Biden is what? 

 

A Dumb Ass !! 

[ArdmoreRyno]

13 minutes ago, T master said:

 

A Dumb Ass !! 

 

He's a MASSIVE dumbass. 

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him — I said, “What’s the difference?  Why are so many people…” — and not that many more people were being shot.  This is now 20 years ago, or 25 years.  I said, “Why are they dying?”  And they showed me x-rays.  He said, “A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life.  A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

 

So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting."

 

It's only the most popular self defense caliber in the United States. No biggie Joe. 

 

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

He's a MASSIVE dumbass. 

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him — I said, “What’s the difference?  Why are so many people…” — and not that many more people were being shot.  This is now 20 years ago, or 25 years.  I said, “Why are they dying?”  And they showed me x-rays.  He said, “A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life.  A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

 

So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting."

 

It's only the most popular self defense caliber in the United States. No biggie Joe. 

 

Used in a lot of murders, too, right? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Used in a lot of murders, too, right? 

 

lol

 

So is gunpowder

[LeviF]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

He's a MASSIVE dumbass. 

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him — I said, “What’s the difference?  Why are so many people…” — and not that many more people were being shot.  This is now 20 years ago, or 25 years.  I said, “Why are they dying?”  And they showed me x-rays.  He said, “A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life.  A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

 

So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting."

 

It's only the most popular self defense caliber in the United States. No biggie Joe. 

 

 

I'm not sure it's dumbassery so much as it is the slipping in of an old "current thing" when the rest of his party has moved on. Joe's been in politics for a long time. The lib talking point used to be handguns; as you may recall the big gun violence problem they liked to point to back then was inner city gang shootings which the 9mm round dominates.

 

But since the Democrats have taken a swan dive into the struggle session pool, they can't point out the obvious anymore, they have to latch onto a new "current thing" that doesn't affect their consecrated minority class. Thus, the demonization of the light rifle. President Biden, being long in the tooth both in age and in his political career, has a hard time sticking to the script.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

lol

 

So is gunpowder

And hammers!!! 

 

I wouldn't give a fig if they banned a ton of these f'n guns. Someday we will. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And hammers!!! 

 

I wouldn't give a fig if they banned a ton of these f'n guns. Someday we will. 

 

Someday we will? Ban guns? 

 

Is this when phasers come out? Firearms will never go away. Thankfully. 

[T master]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

He's a MASSIVE dumbass. 

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him — I said, “What’s the difference?  Why are so many people…” — and not that many more people were being shot.  This is now 20 years ago, or 25 years.  I said, “Why are they dying?”  And they showed me x-rays.  He said, “A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life.  A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

 

So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of — there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection, hunting."

 

It's only the most popular self defense caliber in the United States. No biggie Joe. 

 

 

It's all part of the agenda i have had many guns my entire life & the only time they kill anything is if I point it at something & I pull the trigger they always blame the gun when in fact they are missing the entire causes behind this evil .

 

Lack of parenting & proper discipline being at the fore front (IMHO), mind altering drugs being prescribed by the millions then hours & hours of playing video games desensitizing children by thinking that after killing they can just hit a reset button also little to no social interaction with other children to develop relationships by allowing kids to spend those hours on iPads or phones because the parents are to busy doing the same rather than being parents  .

 

Sure Americans have guns but there are less now per household than there was in the 80's it's just that the entire moral structure of this nation has went right in the toilet ! 

 

It's a total mess but from top bottom and they will only address what they think is the problem instead of looking at it's entirety and addressing it in that way with entire solution & it's more than likely has something to do with a certain amount of back door money coming into the Washington . 😪

 

 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Someday we will? Ban guns? 

 

Is this when phasers come out? Firearms will never go away. Thankfully. 

Many will be. The world will be a better place 

[ArdmoreRyno]

5 minutes ago, T master said:

 

It's all part of the agenda i have had many guns my entire life & the only time they kill anything is if I point it at something & I pull the trigger they always blame the gun when in fact they are missing the entire causes behind this evil .

 

Lack of parenting & proper discipline being at the fore front (IMHO), mind altering drugs being prescribed by the millions then hours & hours of playing video games desensitizing children by thinking that after killing they can just hit a reset button also little to no social interaction with other children to develop relationships by allowing kids to spend those hours on iPads or phones because the parents are to busy doing the same rather than being parents  .

 

Sure Americans have guns but there are less now per household than there was in the 80's it's just that the entire moral structure of this nation has went right in the toilet ! 

 

It's a total mess but from top bottom and they will only address what they think is the problem instead of looking at it's entirety and addressing it in that way with entire solution & it's more than likely has something to do with a certain amount of back door money coming into the Washington . 😪

 

 

 

You're 100000000000000000000% correct. These are all the reasons we have the problems we have today. I'd added "breakdown of the nuclear family" as another cause. 

Just now, Tiberius said:

Many will be. The world will be a better place 

 

This is, again, in the year 2360 when Picard is the captain of the Enterprise D? 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You're 100000000000000000000% correct. These are all the reasons we have the problems we have today. I'd added "breakdown of the nuclear family" as another cause. 

 

This is, again, in the year 2360 when Picard is the captain of the Enterprise D? 

Demographic change is coming much sooner than that 

[Tiberius]

Students and youth organizers with the March for Our Lives gun control movement are planning nationwide protests following the Texas elementary school shooting, including a march on Washington, D.C., on June 11.

Organizers and activists also plan to meet with lawmakers in the Capitol from June 7 to June 10 to push for universal background checks, according to the group’s website.

“Our message and ask is simple: no longer will we be held hostage by our lawmakers and no longer will we tolerate feeling unsafe in our communities,” the group wrote on the website.

 

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3502148-student-led-gun-control-group-planning-nationwide-protests-march-on-dc/

Taking their word to the street! 

[T master]

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Many will be. The world will be a better place 

 

As long as evil exists and the people with in this world don't change the world will be exactly what it is .

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

As long as evil exists and the people with in this world don't change the world will be exactly what it is .

Even even people have to have the tools of the trade 

[T master]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Students and youth organizers with the March for Our Lives gun control movement are planning nationwide protests following the Texas elementary school shooting, including a march on Washington, D.C., on June 11.

Organizers and activists also plan to meet with lawmakers in the Capitol from June 7 to June 10 to push for universal background checks, according to the group’s website.

“Our message and ask is simple: no longer will we be held hostage by our lawmakers and no longer will we tolerate feeling unsafe in our communities,” the group wrote on the website.

 

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3502148-student-led-gun-control-group-planning-nationwide-protests-march-on-dc/

Taking their word to the street! 

 

Locks like laws are made to keep a honest man honest and the criminals or evil people will ALWAYS despite the laws find a way to get guns & what ever else they need to do evil things . 

 

If you don't believe it just look at Chicago & the state of Illinois they have the most stringent of gun laws & people die every single day in the streets but they don't tell that side of the story .

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

Locks like laws are made to keep a honest man honest and the criminals or evil people will ALWAYS despite the laws find a way to get guns & what ever else they need to do evil things . 

 

If you don't believe it just look at Chicago & the state of Illinois they have the most stringent of gun laws & people die every single day in the streets but they don't tell that side of the story .

 

 

Chicago is literally surrounded by gun friendly states. Gees! You pulling that lame argument out? 

[muppy]

https://www.wxxinews.org/capitol-bureau/2022-05-31/hochul-legislature-agree-to-tighten-new-yorks-gun-laws-in-wake-of-buffalo-mass-shooting

 

I hadn't seen this posted any where. ACTION in NYS in the aftermath of the Buffalo shooting.

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Someday we will? Ban guns? 

 

Is this when phasers come out? Firearms will never go away. Thankfully. 

 

 

[gobills404]

On 5/31/2022 at 10:16 AM, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Okay, goodbye (since I know how to ignore someone!) 

 

And yea, you're IQ level is likely below the US average. Based on your moronic rants and assumptions, lack of sarcasm and reality... I'd guess 85 give or take 5 points. You might go apply for SSDI if you haven't already.

Getting called a sick f**k by that obviously deranged computer addict is a badge of honor

[Tiberius]

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

At my school we have 3 former military personnel and an ex cop. At my wife's school they have a former SWAT team member that I know of, allowing them to be armed would make the campus safer. Why are you against them being armed?

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

At my school we have 3 former military personnel and an ex cop. At my wife's school they have a former SWAT team member that I know of, allowing them to be armed would make the campus safer. Why are you against them being armed?

I'd rather address the root cause of the problem is all 

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I'd rather address the root cause of the problem is all 

So you propose a war on mental illness?  Because any way you look at it, somebody has got to be out of their mind to go into a school and kill a bunch of kids.

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

So you propose a war on mental illness?  Because any way you look at it, somebody has got to be out of their mind to go into a school and kill a bunch of kids.

 

1. More funding to help people with mental illness would be great

 

2. Mental illness is not the root cause of these shootings. Other rich countries have people with mental illness but they don't have the rate of mass shootings that we do.

[Albwan]

They should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of the criminals and insane.

That's not what the leftists want...they want the innocent responsible gun owners guns.

They are ok with the crazies and criminals...they don't care about the criminals and the crazies

help their agenda.

[ChiGoose]

25 minutes ago, Albwan said:

They should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of the criminals and insane.

That's not what the leftists want...they want the innocent responsible gun owners guns.

They are ok with the crazies and criminals...they don't care about the criminals and the crazies

help their agenda.

 

Hi. Democrat here.

 

I would like to keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals and the insane. I would also be in favor of spending more money on mental health.

 

I'm fine with upstanding citizens owning guns. Most of my family are gun owners.

[BillStime]

Yea - schools need more guns - and friendly fire took out a kid?

 

Imagine a teacher doing that?

 

Put that responsibility on a teacher?

 

no way

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

At my school we have 3 former military personnel and an ex cop. At my wife's school they have a former SWAT team member that I know of, allowing them to be armed would make the campus safer. Why are you against them being armed?

Fortify the hospitals too!! Build walls around hospitals and arm the doctors with guns! Nurses should practice with machine guns! 

[Tiberius]

 

[T master]

7 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Even even people have to have the tools of the trade 

 

And if you don't think they won't be able to get them just because you make a law your a bigger Dumb ass than you know . How do you think fentenal gets here how do you think cocaine comes into the US how do you think heroin comes in how do you think 9-11 happened ?

 

There are laws to stop all of that and it still happens no matter how hard they try and even if they took every single gun away from law abiding citizens and stopped making them completely & made a law like Trudeau just did the bad guys will still get them despite what you think your strict guns laws will do .

 

Why don't you just move to china you will be safe there and you can have all the freedom that the gov't thinks you need just like you are trying to make it here ...

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

And if you don't think they won't be able to get them just because you make a law your a bigger Dumb ass than you know . How do you think fentenal gets here how do you think cocaine comes into the US how do you think heroin comes in how do you think 9-11 happened ?

 

There are laws to stop all of that and it still happens no matter how hard they try and even if they took every single gun away from law abiding citizens and stopped making them completely & made a law like Trudeau just did the bad guys will still get them despite what you think your strict guns laws will do .

 

Why don't you just move to china you will be safe there and you can have all the freedom that the gov't thinks you need just like you are trying to make it here ...

Is arming doctors the answer to hospital shootings? 

[ChiGoose]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Is arming doctors the answer to hospital shootings? 

If they’re not careful, they might give a patient the wrong shot…

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 5/29/2022 at 1:25 PM, Buffarukus said:

your talking about how unrealistic it is but the point would be to give people a fighting chance. that is always going to be better then not having one at all until law enforcement arrives or sadlyin texas, boarder patrol. not sure what the issue is or why anyone would not support it besides the fact the people who decided to be armed would immediatly be the ones blamed and demonized if they did not "wyatt earp" because they locked up and were scared. noone knows exactly how they would act. 

 

i agree with psychological issues have to be a huge component in gun law. its going to be a very tough line to draw as A) penalizing people for seeking treatment is going to deter alot of help and B) what particular line is reasonable. the fact DAs seem to be laxing on crime in general is not helping anyone. felonies reduced to not be flagged on a background search. illegal carry being almost as common and pretty much normalized is pretty strange seeing as these are the places that have/want stricter gun laws on people that abide by the law. we are going in the wrong direction. ill never get that

 

yes i realize both shooter legally bought guns but the 1000's of others that for whatever reason never get the spotlight. we have a cocktail brewing of anti/ demonized police and in the case of texas also the boarder patrol. a call to demilitarize police should be looked at as these situations require swat type gear but people have demanded it be removed regardless of circumstances. DAs that have become lenient. a economy that is putting alot of pressure and desperation on people that were already struggling. people that are repeatedly being brought to the attention of officials as high up as the federal level and "slipping through the cracks" of multi billion dollar org that are specifically there to prevent these things and a population that is buying more guns then ever because of all of this.

 

im sorry to say it doesnt look like this is going to get better anytime soon. the IMMEDIATE answer is to advocate for the ability to defend oneself and those around them and make it very clear by officials that doing so will not result in punishment of its own which has also been a issue for decades for some absurd reason.

 

The issue is that I don’t necessarily think buildings full of little children become incrementally safer with military-grade weapons located inside them. And I don’t necessarily think the children are incrementally safer in the heat of battle when educators not trained for combat are wielding these weapons.

 

That is not to say that I am completely against the idea of having armed defenders in schools, but this idea would have to be combined with other substantial gun control measures. FWIW, I’m a progressive lefty who considers herself a center-righty on the Second Amendment issue. I’ve tended to defer to gun owners on the types of guns they insist they need for self-defense, but I’m quickly losing patience with right-wing obstinance when it comes to regulating who is allowed to buy these guns.

 

I think the fundamental problem we have here (along with gerrymandering rules) is the lack of campaign finance reform legislation. Those with the most money can best bribe the politicians and control the propaganda. ~70-90% of Americans want meaningful gun control laws, but major campaign donors from the NRA own the GOP and intimidate the Democratic Party into inaction. So far, the only politicians I’m aware of at the national level who reject corporate and large individual donations are AOC, Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, Bowman, Cori Bush, and Bernie. Hmmm…