What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Big Blitz]

Watching Ds come out to defend Canada's handgun ban has pretty much sealed the deal that there will be zero compromise on guns. 

 

Continuing to reveal themselves as supporters of full on bans of all types.  

 

We told you.  

 

 

Not ONE saying "yea Canada you're not helping here."  

 

Thank you very much Trudeau.  Thank you.

 

[Chef Jim]

 

7 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Nice

 

Why?  Is this what you'd like for the US? 

 

"Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives," 

 

Do you agree with this statement from Trudeau? 

 

 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

 

Why?  Is this what you'd like for the US? 

 

"Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives," 

 

Do you agree with this statement from Trudeau? 

 

 

In general sure, I think you can make the argument that it's an ideal and not realistic.

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

In general sure, I think you can make the argument that it's an ideal and not realistic.

 

Well if it's not realistic what's the point? 

 

And looking to Canada to "fix" this problem is the biggest unrealistic part of this whole conversation.  

[Warcodered]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Well if it's not realistic what's the point? 

 

And looking to Canada to "fix" this problem is the biggest unrealistic part of this whole conversation.  

Isn't the point of ideals to work towards them?

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Isn't the point of ideals to work towards them?

 

Ideals will turn unrealistic tasks to realistic tasks?  So how's life in Utopia?  I've heard so much about it.  

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ideals will turn unrealistic tasks to realistic tasks?  So how's life in Utopia?  I've heard so much about it.  

The World is never going to be perfect that doesn't mean you don't work towards it.

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Warcodered said:

The World is never going to be perfect that doesn't mean you don't work towards it.

 

 

"The world" isn't mine or your priority.  

 

If we do our jobs (Family first), the world becomes a better place.  

 

 

We aren't doing our jobs.

 

Everyone go back to your screens for an exorbitant amount of time.  Kids to.

[T master]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Nice

 

Yep that's great news it's always the guns fault but although there are parts of the law that his socialist/liberal agenda may have good merit to they don't or won't look into or address the other pieces of the puzzle which could have more to do with the over all problem .

 

Like over medication of young people or people in general with anti depressants or other mind altering drugs or the lack of discipline in parenting no consequences other than time out or taking away a toy or little to no social interaction with others to reinforce that interaction with other human beings is much more precious than that of watching a computer screen, & then the implementation of every one gets a trophy as to not disappoint or hurt the youngsters feelings .

 

Then overlook the allowing todays youth to stay in a room for hours on end starring at a phone or iPad playing call of duty & different things that COULD desensitize them to such things as killing someone by making them think they can just push reset & everything is okay .

 

Also the fact of people being scared to death when they notice a person or persons acting in such a way that sends up huge red flags yet they won't say a word because they feel they could get sued as many did with those that committed these heinous crimes .

 

Which goes along with the fact of those that make bogus claims being allowed to do so with little or no consequence or recourse .

 

I know of a case involving social services of blatant misuse of the programs provided by lying & deception & a person that i know had tried to bring it to someones attention & was told that if they did look into it & those in question were able to cover up the truth as they had been doing for years that the person that gave the information would go to jail .

 

Which if it in fact was false info then they should have a consequence but that's not how it works today false accusations go out with no consequence of any kind especially if you have money like the Steel Dossier & other such things which shows lead by example but that's another discussion . 

 

So that just enforces the belief that you are better off to keep your mouth shut or not get involved & just let the crime continue which has become the way of today's society .

 

Use to be if someone broke the law or if they were going to or planning to break the law you either intervened or brought it to the proper authorities attention but it's a totally different world today in which we live every one is better off just to shut up because the laws benefit the criminal more than the innocent people !!

 

And i am one of those that is looked at as being the crazy one in todays society but in certain instances I except it in every way ...

[frostbitmic]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Watching Ds come out to defend Canada's handgun ban has pretty much sealed the deal that there will be zero compromise on guns. 

 

Continuing to reveal themselves as supporters of full on bans of all types.  

 

We told you.  

 

 

Not ONE saying "yea Canada you're not helping here."  

 

Thank you very much Trudeau.  Thank you.

 

Your side has been telling us that for the last 40 years, when is this happening ?

[T master]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

"The world" isn't mine or your priority.  

 

If we do our jobs (Family first), the world becomes a better place.  

 

 

We aren't doing our jobs.

 

Everyone go back to your screens for an exorbitant amount of time.  Kids to.

 

Someone with some common sense there may be hope for the world yet thank you !!! 💪

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The World is never going to be perfect that doesn't mean you don't work towards it.

 

I worked for a company whose motto was "Only Perfect Will Do!"   Talk about setting people up for failure.  

 

So what's the towards the impossible process look like?  How close do you want to get to it?  

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just to post actual hard points with surveillance the school I work at (these are today, school has been out for 2 weeks now). You aren't getting into the school without eyes on you. Only one door opens and it's an "buzz in" door that locks automatically. There are 7 cameras alone pointing towards the entrance in various angles. We also have gunshot sound devices that will alert LEO is they think a shot is fired in the area. 

 

 

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I worked for a company whose motto was "Only Perfect Will Do!"   Talk about setting people up for failure.  

 

So what's the towards the impossible process look like?  How close do you want to get to it?  

This on a national scale seems like a great place to start.

On 5/24/2022 at 9:55 PM, Chef Jim said:

All registers gun owners should be required to renew their registration periodically and have a new background check ran. 

 

 

I mean ideally you want to get as close as you can get, but I'm sure there are other things you have to balance that with.

[Chef Jim]

35 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

This on a national scale seems like a great place to start.

 

 

I mean ideally you want to get as close as you can get, but I'm sure there are other things you have to balance that with.

 

I want to make sure we are debating the same point.  When you say this seems like a great place to start what are you referring to? 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I want to make sure we are debating the same point.  When you say this seems like a great place to start what are you referring to? 

Specifically in this case towards sensible gun regulations.

 

More broadly toward this statement:

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

"Other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives,"

But there are likely so many other things that'd go towards that besides gun regulations. (Sports shooting would just recreational shooting anyway, right?) It'd include things like law enforcement, criminal reform(both the prisons and the actual criminals), hell even economics probably comes into it.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

Specifically in this case towards sensible gun regulations.

 

More broadly toward this statement:

But there are likely so many other things that'd go towards that besides gun regulations. (Sports shooting would just recreational shooting anyway, right?) It'd include things like law enforcement, criminal reform(both the prisons and the actual criminals), hell even economics probably comes into it.

 

Trudeau said other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting there is no reason ANYONE should need a gun.  That shows me he has no clue as to why so many people own guns.  So there is no one that owns a handgun for personal protection?  

[ArdmoreRyno]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Specifically in this case towards sensible gun regulations.

 

More broadly toward this statement:

But there are likely so many other things that'd go towards that besides gun regulations. (Sports shooting would just recreational shooting anyway, right?) It'd include things like law enforcement, criminal reform(both the prisons and the actual criminals), hell even economics probably comes into it.

 

Well, when the Vulcans make first contact with us and it's year 2360 and Captain Picard is commanding the NCC-1701-D, we can have world peace. 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Trudeau said other than using firearms for sport shooting and hunting there is no reason ANYONE should need a gun.  That shows me he has no clue as to why so many people own guns.  So there is no one that owns a handgun for personal protection?  

That may be completely true and what he meant, I'm mainly just going off that statement as an ideal which it does work for. In an ideal world nobody should need a gun for personal protection, but like I said there's a lot that goes into that situation beyond just gun regulation, and banning hand guns isn't a place I'm at.

 

4 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Well, when the Vulcans make first contact with us and it's year 2360 and Captain Picard is commanding the NCC-1701-D, we can have world peace. 

Are you trying to make a point?

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

That may be completely true and what he meant, I'm mainly just going off that statement as an ideal which it does work for. In an ideal world nobody should need a gun for personal protection, but like I said there's a lot that goes into that situation beyond just gun regulation, and banning hand guns isn't a place I'm at.

 

No one should need a gun for personal protection?  In an ideal world?  So we’re back Utopia. That world does not exist here in the US and never will.  I take the protection of my and my wife’s lives seriously because if I don’t who will. This is the reason I bought my first firearms 10 years ago.  So you advocate for me to no longer be able to protect myself? 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

No one should need a gun for personal protection?  In an ideal world?  So we’re back Utopia. That world does not exist here in the US and never will.  I take the protection of my and my wife’s lives seriously because if I don’t who will. This is the reason I bought my first firearms 10 years ago.  So you advocate for me to no longer be able to protect myself? 

Where have I said that anywhere?

[ArdmoreRyno]

26 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

That may be completely true and what he meant, I'm mainly just going off that statement as an ideal which it does work for. In an ideal world nobody should need a gun for personal protection, but like I said there's a lot that goes into that situation beyond just gun regulation, and banning hand guns isn't a place I'm at.

 

Are you trying to make a point?

 

That it's not reality. We'd all love world peace and for people to hold hands but unfortunately people can be evil. Free will is part of being human and some will do it to hurt others. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

That it's not reality. We'd all love world peace and for people to hold hands but unfortunately people can be evil. Free will is part of being human and some will do it to hurt others. 

Right they're ideals as I've said and can very well be unattainable, that in no way means you shouldn't work towards them.

[Chef Jim]

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

In an ideal world nobody should need a gun for personal protection, 

 
Here. 30 minutes ago. 🙄

[muppy]

haha @ArdmoreRyno BEAM UP UP SCOTTY........Come Lord Jesus. Take your pick. I realize that a subforum sports chatroom is a very limited sample size as pertaining to the Gun Culture, Gun advocates and other intelligent rational people invested in this topic have to say......I just want to say that while a chasm exists this issue is NOT insurmountable....I see where there could be concessions on both sides for a resolution where each side will contribute to the solution.

 

I have HOPE. I don't own a gun never will own a gun. Do I want to strip gun owners of their guns? HELL NO. Emphatic NO.

 

Do I think moderate people politically on either side of the aisle have much more in common with each other than Not in regards to this issue? YES

 

What say YOU NRA and other gun lobbyists who are pulling these politicos like puppets on a string...toe that party line or face Our WRATH......TCK NO room for Any concessions...eh?......smh

 

Id be interested in hearing any opines regarding how they REALLY think this guns situation in the USA will end up. In your heart of hearts.

 

I will predict that there will wailing and gnashing of teeth with unhappiness of any proposed solutions...no side getting all they would have hoped to accomplish

 

I think that incidences that predict any person from acting out in such horrific fashion..things like hurting animals as young people....NEED TO GET IT REPORTED and hence FLAGGED in the system wherein gun buyers need apply.

 

I think NOONE is coming to take your Guns away it is a MYTH that you are buying into hook line and sinker because of fear...........its NOT ever going to be a reality in the US of A...take away peoples guns Nope ridiculous concept...You will never convince me otherwise

 

, limit sales, ban sales or whatever ends up happening GUNS ARE HERE TO STAY...........Even the new Canadian law isn't removing guns from owners, it is sales forward that will be impacted if Im understanding that correctly. I do NOT buy this slippery slope argument its again appealing to fear not common sense. IN THE USA.

 

and Finally this is such a hot bed issue that the overall judgment of the people needs prevail for ALL OUR GOOD...either way we just want PEACE right?

 

And I  pray the other side will concede the decisions as being fairly reached........yeah right lol pffft

 

haha again welcome to politics in the US of A. I am cynical but cling to my hope there is action to limit mass gun violence.....more guns to protect against more guns what could possibly go wrong???? I just dont think its logical.

 

This will be a definite check in "popcorn thread" waiting to see what does end up happening....I pray no more tragedy for a while PLEASE

 

thanks for listening. m

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 
Here. 30 minutes ago. 🙄

and if we scroll down a bit.

35 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

and banning hand guns isn't a place I'm at.

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Warcodered

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

and if we scroll down a bit.

 

But you did say no one should need a handgun for personal protection correct?  Yes you used the words “in a perfect world”. But that world does not exist. I know it’s a complex situation but you sound confused. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Look at these poor disillusioned people.

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

But you did say no one should need a handgun for personal protection correct?  Yes you used the words “in a perfect world”. But that world does not exist. I know it’s a complex situation but you sound confused. 

Yes, and clearly I must be confused about that or else I'd use words alluding to it being a more complicated situation than that, and that I'm not for banning hand guns, which are used for personal protection.

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

but like I said there's a lot that goes into that situation beyond just gun regulation, and banning hand guns isn't a place I'm at.

oh, I guess I did.

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Warcodered

[Big Blitz]

NY Times:  The Hard Truth: Gun Safety Must Be Everything That Republicans Fear

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/opinion/gun-safety-republicans.html

 

 

If you get behind the pay wall - essentially:

 

"We need to do everything gun advocates have been doing in reverse...

 

They fear a slippery slope to complete bans.....I agree with them........I fully hope we get there."

 

 

 

 

/Libs

 

Edited May 31, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Chef Jim]

30 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Yes, and clearly I must be confused about that or else I'd use words alluding to it being a more complicated situation than that, and that I'm not for banning hand guns, which are used for personal protection.

oh, I guess I did.

 

But you were all over the place.  You replied to my post about Trudeau wanting to ban handguns as “on a national scale a great place to start.”  Then I ask you to clarify what you mean by a great place to start you reply with “sensible gun legislation.”   So putting those two statements together I came to the conclusion you feel that banning handguns is sensible gun legislation even though you’re not for the banning of handguns.   Hence my conclusion you sound confused. Either that or you’re just not good at making your point. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

But you were all over the place.  You replied to my post about Trudeau wanting to ban handguns as “on a national scale a great place to start.”  Then I ask you to clarify what you mean by a great place to start you reply with “sensible gun legislation.”   So putting those two statements together I came to the conclusion you feel that banning handguns is sensible gun legislation even though you’re not for the banning of handguns.   Hence my conclusion you sound confused. Either that or you’re just not good at making your point. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I was saying your idea was a good place to start.

 

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I worked for a company whose motto was "Only Perfect Will Do!"   Talk about setting people up for failure.  

 

So what's the towards the impossible process look like?  How close do you want to get to it?  

This on a national scale seems like a great place to start.

On 5/24/2022 at 9:55 PM, Chef Jim said:

All registers gun owners should be required to renew their registration periodically and have a new background check ran. 

 

I mean ideally you want to get as close as you can get, but I'm sure there are other things you have to balance that with.

 

I mean why do you think I put that there?

 

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Just to post actual hard points with surveillance the school I work at (these are today, school has been out for 2 weeks now). You aren't getting into the school without eyes on you. Only one door opens and it's an "buzz in" door that locks automatically. There are 7 cameras alone pointing towards the entrance in various angles. We also have gunshot sound devices that will alert LEO is they think a shot is fired in the area. 

 

 

What if the churches want to be protected from bloody massacres, too? Who will fund that? 

[Chef Jim]

37 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I was saying your idea was a good place to start.

 

 

I mean why do you think I put that there?

 

My idea??  I don’t have any ***** ideas.

Now I’m confused. 

 

😂

Edited May 31, 2022 by Chef Jim

[Chef Jim]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What if the churches want to be protected from bloody massacres, too? Who will fund that? 

Perfect example of when someone says “there are no dumb questions” they are WRONG! 

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

My idea??  I don’t have any ***** ideas.

Now I’m confused. 

 

😂

So you don't think:

On 5/24/2022 at 9:55 PM, Chef Jim said:

All registers gun owners should be required to renew their registration periodically and have a new background check ran.

[Chef Jim]

15 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So you don't think:

I was kidding. Of course I have lots of good ideas. 😁  I missed you quoting me. Sorry. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

What if the churches want to be protected from bloody massacres, too? Who will fund that? 

 

You can conceal carry in many churches already. That's a choice. 

 

You can't protect everything. It's like trying to stop car accidents. 

[Tiberius]

What???

 

 

[Chef Jim]

Biden:

 

"And I sat with a trauma doctor, and I asked him—I said, 'What's the difference?'... I said, 'Why are they dying?' And they showed me x-rays. He said, 'A .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out, may be able to get it, and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.'
 

Biden:

 

“So the idea of these high-caliber weapons is of—there's simply no rational basis for it in terms of thinking about self-protection”

 

Sorry Joe protecting myself by blowing the *****’s lung out is not only rational but required.  🤦🏻‍♂️