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Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

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The thing is, every dog in this race has some fleas. Trump, Golisano, Jacobs. Take your pick, I can list some pro's and con's for each. It's likely one or all of them are going to put together bids, along with the Toronto group. Maybe some others too? We still haven't heard from Jim Kelly's group. Not clear just who's involved there.

 

Sure Trump has his flaws. He's comes of as a self-centered ego maniac and at times a B.S. artist. And the other two guys I mentioned have been called 'cheap' at one time or another. But regardless of wishes, some generous, trustworthy, and poor saint of a guy is not going to buy the team. So we have to play the hand we're dealt here.

 

Bottom line: I don't have a problem with any of them as long as they're going to keep the team in Buffalo and have a commitment to winning.

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It just baffles me how people here claim a guy who made his way to being a billionaire is "an idiot".

 

So he's worth 2.9 billion.... Idiot! Meanwhile all our brilliant posters what...? have their mortgage 30% paid off and 1500 posts in a bills chat board??!?!!

 

Trump is such an idiot..

You don't think rich people can be idiots? Have you seen the Kardashians?

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My concern is this is Donald Trump we're talking about. The guy is about the bottom line $$$ and not anything else. That's how he got to where he is in life, by not giving a crap about anyone's feelings. He would buy the Bills and sell them in 2 or 3 years to profit to the highest bidder. Yes, he will say all the right things now to make you believe he wouldn't do that, but thats called business, it's what he is good at..

 

He does not take failure as an option? Why has he filled for bankrupcty multiple times on his companies then? If it weren't for that show he was on a few years ago he would of been broke by now.

 

Nothing against the guy personally, but I think it would be a huge mistake for a guy like him to come in and buy the Bills.

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I would be ok with the Trumpster. Does his hair get a position with the team?

Mel Kiper, Jr. has Trump's hair as a solid second round pick in the 2015 draft. Runs clean routes, able to get over defensive backs to fight for the ball. Has some trouble finding the ball in the air, however.

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My views on Golisano is that he took a team that was already composed to the conference finals, played moneyball the rest of the time until he sold it off to Pegula. If you don't like Trump that's fine but just because I find him an interesting pick doesn't mean you have to agree. That's what an OPINION is. Too harsh bud to call me an enemy just cause I said that. wow, someone woke up with is Dingy in some cheerios.

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Is money your qualifier of intelligence? Seems by this statement that somehow the two must go hand and hand. You must be a real fan of the collective IQ of Paris Hilton, Kanye West and Justin Bieber. Those three must be Einsteins.

 

Point is that you can be rich and still be a moron, you just have to be good at something. Trump is good at business and self promotion. Still doesn't mean he's not a mouth breather. He may be a real estate mogul by day but at night he's taunting people thru the media like some clown. He doesn't get a pass for being a nut because he's rich, just like Bieber doesn't get a pass for being a douche because he's rich, in my world at least. Truth is that maybe he's not as dumb as he acts, maybe it's just part of his self promotion. Maybe suing Bill Maher to prove that his mother isn't really an orangutan was just another self promotion, or maybe he really wants the world to know his mom was a human and Bill Maher was wrong. Either way it's moronic.

 

Hazed,

While I understand the point you are trying to make, your examples are poor when comparing them to Trump. Furthermore, I think you were missing point of his comment.

Firstly, I would say that comparing Donald Trump to Paris Hilton, Kanye West and Justin Bieber is just plain silly. Paris Hilton has done nothing but live off the wealth of her family. Some may say, well gee she created her own clothing line and stared on a reality show and yada yada yada. To those who would I say bull S*it! She got the reality star for acting like a rich jack hole living an out of control life style, and the young public eats that stuff up. Networks want to make money, and people can't help but watch when they know the car wreck will come and its only a matter of when. As for her clothing line, she does not make cloths! I will repeat that, She DOES NOT make clothing. She is paid by a clothing manufacturer to put her name on a label.

I will group Kanye West and Justin Bieber together since they are both musical artist and I use that term loosely cause imo they suck. Again, how do you compare two people who stand up on a stage and sing for a living to someone who has continued to build wealth through real estate and other business ventures. You can't.

You are correct when you say any idiot can be a millionaire or even a billionaire. That said, you would have served your point better by siting people like John D Rockefeller and Henry Ford. Both were poorly educated with no backgrounds of business or economics, but built enormous wealth in business and didn't do it standing on a stage singing and grabbing their crotch.

Arguably, you missed the point of his post. He can correct me if I am wrong and if I am wrong I apologize, but I think he was trying to say was that you can't build as much wealth as Trump has and be an idiot, especially in the manor in which he has done it.

 

As a side note, using the term "Poorly educated" does not make you an idiot, and i was not trying to make any connections between the two. I used John D Rockefeller or Henry Ford as examples due to the simple fact that they built a business through hard work and dedication to what they were trying to achieve, not because they were good at something.

 

Flame away everyone.

 

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I'm for any owner that keeps the Bills in Buffalo long term. I still think there is next to no chance he becomes the owner, and he's just publicly advertising himself. I also don't trust Trump in the least, even if he did buy the Bills, nothing would stop him from selling them again once the clause in the lease expired and profiting big time.

 

No one loves Trump more than himself, and despite what he says publicly he doesn't give a **** about the Bills, Buffalo, or their fans. He's after the spotlight and money, always has been

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Fixed.

 

Not even close...check out the Forbes 400...nearly every single one is self-made. Just about the only ones that aren't are the Waltons.

 

Also, I can't really get behind the idea that Trump would buy the team and then move them...given that there are a few local options, no owner that claims the team will stay here is going to be taken seriously without presenting a plan for a stadium--and I highly doubt the sale would take place without terms guaranteeing that the stadium plan is put into place prior to (or within a specified time upon) completion of the sale.

 

I just don't think the buy-'em-and-relocate-'em is realistic.

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A lot of that stuff is just a character he plays publicly.

 

He says the right things about Buffalo for now, but I do not trust him for the long-term. I have said it before, but I prefer someone who made their money in one primary business venture as opposed to the 'mogul' type who have buying and flipping in their DNA. Id also rather have guys married to WNY.

 

I would much rather have Pegula, Rich, Golisano, Jacobs or a combo

 

after that the Trump, Milstein, Gurlach group.

 

After that, we'll see.

 

 

 

I wonder if Warren Buffett would buy them?

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Other than an attention seeking whore, who cares?

 

 

 

Talk about an inferiority complex and the "woe is me" syndrome ...

Woe is us because the Bills are not relevant outside of WNY

Woe is us because the Bills do not play on Monday Night or Sunday Night football.

 

Who gives a rats ass. Stop worrying what ESPN, Fox Sports, CBS, or any other national sports coverage media is reporting about.

If the Bills generate a winning season, it will have nothing to do with the Bills playing on Monday or Sunday nights, or if the Bills are relevant in the national media.

 

 

 

How has the franchise accepted it? Since 2000, how many GMs have there been? How many HC?

 

 

 

To a point, I do believe that.

However, how do you think he will react when the criticism and shots starts coming from the fan base?

Will he ban banners and signs like TD did? Or will he threaten to move the team unless the fan base stops?

 

 

 

This could be a good or bad thing, especially if they get short on patience.

 

 

 

If you had studied him as closely as you said you did, you would already know this answer. No, he would not.

As owner of the USFL Generals, he was hands on and made some notable questionable knee jerk decisions.

In the end, he was an utter disaster for the team and league.

Furthermore, by stating his time in the USFL as proof of his ability to run a sports team, Trump has further cemented he is a complete buffoon when it comes to football.

 

 

 

Be careful what you ask for, you may get it. Guys like him do not go away quietly, and there are no do overs.

If you don't think this community has an inferiority complex read some of the posts about this team and the folks just hoping it stays -- I don't know about all of you, I want this team to WIN ! ---

 

How do you find time to type with both of your hands down Trumps pants?

Now that was insightful, how many times have you pulled that line out ? Lame

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If you don't think this community has an inferiority complex read some of the posts about this team and the folks just hoping it stays -- I don't know about all of you, I want this team to WIN ! ---

 

 

Now that was insightful, how many times have you pulled that line out ? Lame

I'm guessing not as many times as you've pulled Trumps line out.

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He's a sad excuse for a human being....regardless of his personal wealth...he's an attention whore and a blowhard charlatan, carnival barking scumbag who'd be a bleeping nobody if not for his inherited wealth from daddy!

WOW!!! Stop it guys, just Stop it already!!! Not sure if you know this, but Trump has donated tons of $ to organizations such as The Wounded Warrior Project, UNICEF, St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters, Pediatric Epilepsy Project, Operation Smile, Make-A-Wish Foundation, Children with AIDS, etc. The list goes on and on. None of you know him well enough to spew this personal crap about him! Having said all of that, I don't want him as my first choice, but damn guys, the weather is nice out and we should all be in better moods than this. JMO.

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Everyone has their own ideal situation for the owner but here is why you should want Donald Trump as the next owner...

 

1) He does not take failure as an option.

2) He does not take sh**from anyone

3) You want Rivalries back in Buffalo? This guy is liable to talk sh** about every divisional opponent and their owner. Oh and outside of the division, ESPECIALLY Jerry Jones because he hates other people with almost as much money as he has.

4) He will NEVER be called cheap. In fact I think he likes to overspend to get what he wants.

5) He has enough common sense to be hands off. He's not a football guy and he knows it. He will hire the right faculty and if they don't perform it's chopping block.

6) I think the NFL needs character and Trump is a character I'd enjoy watching in press conferences on his team. He's going to tell it how it is and not sugar coat it. We need more of that.

7) He has stated his intentions of keeping the team in Buffalo, he sees the importance of the fan base and how detrimental it is to the city.

8) I think everyone who sees Galisano as a better option should look at what he did when he owned the Sabres. Yes, he kept him here and we're all thankful for that but he had no win now mentality and it showed.

 

TRUMP for Owner in 2014... Now for all the haters on why my opinion sucks...

 

I have been in the Atlantic City area since 1986 and worked in local media continuously through 2006. I have seen the Donald's "Art of the Deal" up close and have had friends amongst his executives and business partners. Believe me, he is not the "Golden Goose" the poster is writing about. His slow vacating of Atlantic City has not been viewed as a loss by the community which tired of his pompous act that failed to modernize his casinos and regularly short changed those who did business with him, which is truly the "Art" in the deal.

 

That being said, I welcome "The Donald" to the ownership competition. I am prepared to go to Trump Dome to watch my Bills play because I do believe he'd keep the team in Buffalo and he sees the Bills as the means to keep the Trump name in the spotlight. He just isn't my first choice of locally committed owners and he should not be yours. I'd take Jacobs or Golisano in a blink of an eye over Trump.

 

As for your numbered items:

 

#1 - if you have visited the Trump Plaza Casino Hotel or know about the fire sale of the Trump Marina/Trump Castle Casino Hotel then you know that Donald accepts failure with ease and gets tired of his toys to the point of not inputting funds necessary for success.

#2 - He may have a mouth but he has lost numerous battles including an infamous one with a little old lady that Doonesberry featured. Ask Steve Wynn if he has ever feared Donald.

#3 - You are correct Donald may shoot his mouth off enough to embarrass the team and maybe the city/community. We have rivalries in the Jets/Patriots and Dolphins. Donald has the potential of getting a significant percentage of NFL fans to have a distaste for the Bills and Buffalo, which is not anything I am hoping for but I guess you like what Jones has done for Dallas and the 'Boys.'

#4 - I am laughing at this one. Donald does all he can to save a dollar! He has a history of not even paying contractors a dollar for a dollar's work. He is wealthy because he gets by on the cheap.

#5 - Donald does hire good executives but believe me it is all about 'The Donald.' He enjoys being a focal point and yes, he will be a visible and aggressive owner giving input on every game, opponent, and anything to do with "his" team. There's nothing wrong with this level of visibility but the poster clearly has not been in the same room with Trump.

#6 - Yes, he is a character (This sort of defeats your statement in number 5.)! Frankly, I am a football fan for the game on the field. Not once since viewing my first Bills' game in 1962 have I wished for a "bigger than life" comic book character in the owner's box. I have detested the behavior and antics of owners like Jerry Jones and Al Davis while respecting the Mara's and Hunt's. I thought our joy as fans was about football not reality tv.

#7 - I agree that Trump appears committed to the WNY fan base and community. His ties with Jim Kelly may be helping this. This does not mean he'll continue to offer the reasonably priced tickets we are used to but if he comes to Buffalo I think he stays.

#8 - There is no doubt that Tom Golisano did what he said he would do. He saved our Buffalo Sabres! And, admitting that he was not a hockey executive he put his trust in the same hockey executive Terry Pegula did, Darcy Regier. The Briere/Drury mess was Darcy's and the dismantling of the team's potential can be attached to Darcy as well. There have no reports that claim Golisano limited payroll and I sure he wanted a winner. He was not a hockey guy but he was a very wealthy man who cared enough about Western NY to put the money out to keep the team here until a more committed hockey owner could be found. Sale made & profit made; good for Tom. However it appears Golisano is a football guy and he has the money to buy the Bills. This time it would not be a purchase to save a community's team ... This time it would be to have his team and Golisano wants to win perhaps even with a passion to make up for the Sabres lack of success.

 

So, bring on Trump or Golisano or Jacobs ... The Bills stay in place and my grandchildren can debate their Buffalo Bills long into the future!

 

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I'm guessing not as many times as you've pulled Trumps line out.

I pointed out that Trump graduated from a prestigious university which says he is intelligent, and those are your counter arguments/posts ? Let's just say, the more you post, the more you are making my point. I'm done with you, NEXT!
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Just quick follow-up to those questioning Trump's willingness to give back to the community.

 

Throughout his career, "The Donald" has provided funds and support both visibly and quietly to a significant number of causes and non-profit organizations.

 

He is not my first choice amongst the owners who will keep the Bills in Buffalo but I have seen his charitable side at work in the Atlantic City area and know he does give back while encouraging his employees to do likewise.

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Not even close...check out the Forbes 400...nearly every single one is self-made. Just about the only ones that aren't are the Waltons.

 

 

 

Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

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Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

 

I'd like to see your analysis of the Forbes 400 to back up your assertions. Pretty sure it's you who is incorrect.

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I pointed out that Trump graduated from a prestigious university which says he is intelligent, and those are your counter arguments/posts ? Let's just say, the more you post, the more you are making my point. I'm done with you, NEXT!

 

Or... his father was worth over an estimated 200mm in the early 60's...

 

That said, I actually do think he is a very smart, shrewd business man - that doesn't always equate to raw intelligence.

 

Just not sold on him being the next owner,, yet. Lets see what Toronto says first.

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Wow. Just incorrect... Regarding Trump, you should google his father, Fred.

 

Two things:

 

1) My response was directly speaking to the generalization that business owners inherit their wealth--look at the Forbes 400; the vast majority do not.

 

2) Trump inherited (wow, I've misspelled that word twice now while trying to type it) about $200M...he parlayed that into billions, which he then lost, and then re-made. To say he isn't self-made is incorrect.

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WOW!!! Stop it guys, just Stop it already!!! Not sure if you know this, but Trump has donated tons of $ to organizations such as The Wounded Warrior Project, UNICEF, St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters, Pediatric Epilepsy Project, Operation Smile, Make-A-Wish Foundation, Children with AIDS, etc. The list goes on and on. None of you know him well enough to spew this personal crap about him! Having said all of that, I don't want him as my first choice, but damn guys, the weather is nice out and we should all be in better moods than this. JMO.

 

Multiple bankruptcies and made an embarrassment out of himself in his run for president and his a birther conspiracies and his stupid friggin hair

 

I can not and will not support Trump as a Bills owner...

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I'd like to see your analysis of the Forbes 400 to back up your assertions. Pretty sure it's you who is incorrect.

 

Of the top 20 on the list - at first glance without doing ANY research, 9 of the 20 come from family money. Koch, Waltons, Mars just to name a few. Buffet is debatable.

 

is that almost all?

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The amount of vitriol coming from some posters is pretty funny. The majority of the ones that are adamantly opposed to Trump being an owner of the Bills are staunch Liberals. Coincidence? Most likely no.

 

Having said that, I also share some of the criticisms, I do believe he is an egomaniac, I do believe that he can be extremely petty and just like most other business men, he is not always as successful as some make him out to be.

 

In regards to what sort of owner he'd be, I think it's a mixed bag. From my perspective, I think there is a risk that he could be a meddler a' la a Jerry Jones. I also think that with Trump we also run the risk of him bringing some negative publicity, I mean look at all the froth coming from peoples mouths when the name Trump is brought up, he has the uncanny ability to elicit this sort of response. And to be fair, he does bring it upon himself and provides plenty of ammunition for his detractors.

 

On the other hand, he does seem to be a "winner", he holds people accountable and I believe that he would do everything in his power to bring a winning team, which means he may be more apt to spending more money to get the pieces necessary.

 

He's not my first choice, but I absolutely welcome him to the effort of keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

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Of the top 20 on the list - at first glance without doing ANY research, 9 of the 20 come from family money. Koch, Waltons, Mars just to name a few. Buffet is debatable.

 

is that almost all?

 

To be clear: this was started because you "fixed" a post to say that most successful business men inherited their fortunes. It's not true:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2013/09/18/how-self-made-forbes-400-billionaires-earned-their-money/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/04/20/most-wealthy-individuals-earned-not-inherited-their-wealth-2/

 

It's also worth noting that many of the "inheritors" on Forbes' list are multiple beneficiaries of the same fortune (i.e. the 6 Waltons). Extending the list down to "other" billionaires, as you'll read in the first link, protracts the data set to include even more self-made wealth.

 

That's the only point I was trying to make...apologies for sending the thread off track with it.

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The amount of vitriol coming from some posters is pretty funny. The majority of the ones that are adamantly opposed to Trump being an owner of the Bills are staunch Liberals. Coincidence? Most likely no.

 

Having said that, I also share some of the criticisms, I do believe he is an egomaniac, I do believe that he can be extremely petty and just like most other business men, he is not always as successful as some make him out to be.

 

In regards to what sort of owner he'd be, I think it's a mixed bag. From my perspective, I think there is a risk that he could be a meddler a' la a Jerry Jones. I also think that with Trump we also run the risk of him bringing some negative publicity, I mean look at all the froth coming from peoples mouths when the name Trump is brought up, he has the uncanny ability to elicit this sort of response. And to be fair, he does bring it upon himself and provides plenty of ammunition for his detractors.

 

On the other hand, he does seem to be a "winner", he holds people accountable and I believe that he would do everything in his power to bring a winning team, which means he may be more apt to spending more money to get the pieces necessary.

 

He's not my first choice, but I absolutely welcome him to the effort of keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

 

I agree with the everything you said, save the first sentence. Card carrying member of the GOP (although admittedly much more old school that today allows for) and see him more in the mold of Dan Snyder, which worries me.

 

To be clear: this was started because you "fixed" a post to say that most successful business men inherited their fortunes. It's not true:

 

http://www.forbes.co...ed-their-money/

http://www.forbes.co...their-wealth-2/

 

It's also worth noting that many of the "inheritors" on Forbes' list are multiple beneficiaries of the same fortune (i.e. the 6 Waltons). Extending the list down to "other" billionaires, as you'll read in the first link, protracts the data set to include even more self-made wealth.

 

That's the only point I was trying to make...apologies for sending the thread off track with it.

 

I would love for you to show me where I said that.

 

I simply stated that it was much easier for folks who inherit there money to come back from bankruptcies. If you would like to argue the finer points of bankruptcy law, I am happy to have that conversation, albeit most of my knowledge is on the tax side.

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F that. This team has been a national joke for going on 30 years -- adding the court's jester as the owner would only reinforce that narrative.

 

Your primary point aside, 30 years brings us to 1984.

 

This team was hardly a joke from the late '80s thru the mid '90s. It was an NFL force to be reckoned with.

 

It's been a joke for the years that Polian's players didn't dominate the roster. That's when it was a joke.

 

Oh, by the way, did I mention that our former fearless leader Ralph Wilson thought that it was a good idea to fire Polian.

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There is next to no chance he even comes close to buying the Bills. His outward tone about his potential bid is very defeatist in nature, which means he's just using this to gain publicity, and nothing more. He publicly admits he'll put in a bid he's not very confident will be enough. Then why bother? I think it's going to be the best thing for the team in the end if he doesn't end up as the new owner. I want a guy to own the team with both guns drawn at the opposition, with a passion to win, a passion to restore the pride in Buffalo. Someone who after he wins the bid flips off Jon Bon Jovi, and the likes of Jerry Jones. Any one of us on this board would do exactly that if we had the money. That's what us fans deserve, and that's what this whiny league needs. an owner who represents the tough city in which we all came from, not a kitty-footed, media hungry comb-over douche. If he does buy the team, I hope I'm wrong about him.

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Throughout his career, "The Donald" has provided funds and support both visibly and quietly to a significant number of causes and non-profit organizations.

 

How much beyond the amount he could write off on his taxes?

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Plus his business is land development . With the Bills in need of a new stadium what better reason to bring in a owner that has said he would be willing to invest some of his money into the project ...

 

Seems like a perfect fit to me ..

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How much beyond the amount he could write off on his taxes?

 

At the risk of pissing off both the left and right on this board:

 

a) I am not sure why this consideration should even be made. Most very wealthy individuals do structure donations in the most tax efficient way possible, and I don't think we should ostracize those individuals for doing so. Most very wealthy people give for several reasons, the first is usually somewhat self serving and that the building of a legacy. The second is a real feeling of community and feeling that they want to give something back to those that need help. My guess is Trump's reasons are both (although I would guess the legacy is slightly more weighted).

b) Likely he has not received tax deductions for all of his deductions, and depending on how things have been structured, he may have received only a small portion of deduction relative to what was given. My guess is he has set up a charitable trust of some sort and the vast majority of his donations have been made out of that, but just guessing.

 

Long and short, like I said before, I feel as though he is our best (worst) option.

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