Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Can we ban the wildcat now? for every one good play there are 10 bad ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm all for making Brad Smith a full-time WR and emergency-only QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 kill the cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I actually liked the call. It stunned everyone on the defensive line. Smith had all day back there to throw a bomb. Thing is, it was a bad throw. Receiver didn't have good separation. Good call, bad execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm glad Brad threw threw the ball, not happy with the result. Teams will have to think we might throw the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's not a horrible call if your wildcat QB can make a decent throw. Brad Smith obviously can't. Kill. The. Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 There were at least a few very good Wildcat plays today. That pass was a terrible call at that point in the game. There was no way the two receivers should have been that close to each other though. Jones was supposed to be closer to the middle of the field all along and Peterson should not have been there to intercept. I don't like the use of the Wildcat this year though, and I am an advocate. It takes too long for the run plays to materialize, even though we have had quite a few 7-8 yard runs from Spiller off it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Uh you guys are over-reacting to a bad throw.. When Brad gets 5 yards a carry or CJ/FJ gets 5 yards its not a problem is it??? It was a bad call to pass it and it was a bad pass. But should we ban the wild cat.. NO!... Should we ban fitzpenis from being our quarterback YES!.. Oh and Brad Smith is the only QB we have active that can throw it that far. Think about it why didn't Fitzanus attempt to throw a deep ball all game and why they let Brad do it??? Answer: Fitzhairyballs can't throw a pass more than 2 yards... Edited October 15, 2012 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 absolutely terrible call. Look if it is the middle first quarter, im ok with it, but not in the 4th, with a few minutes left, and all we have to do is run the 4 min offense and head home with a win. Situational playcalling, you dont call a wildcat throw in that situation EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey greco Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 absolutely terrible call. Look if it is the middle first quarter, im ok with it, but not in the 4th, with a few minutes left, and all we have to do is run the 4 min offense and head home with a win. Situational playcalling, you dont call a wildcat throw in that situation EVER. +1. They were driving it down the field right down their throats and had the game in the palm of their hands. That call was criminal in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I'm glad Brad threw threw the ball, not happy with the result. Teams will have to think we might hope we throw the ball. I fixed your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I like it...it was nice to see a guy in a bills uniform effortlessly throw a football 40+ yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jone's Toupee Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Oklahoma has great success with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 +1. They were driving it down the field right down their throats and had the game in the palm of their hands. That call was criminal in that situation. Agreed....it was 2nd and 8 and I would have been happy with two consecutive running plays. At least we would have taken some time off the clock, and the way we were running the ball, probably would have moved the chains. Horrible call given the game situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It's not a horrible call if your wildcat QB can make a decent throw. Brad Smith obviously can't. Kill. The. Cat. It's a horrible call if it in any way involves the word "wildcat". Gimmicks are what bad teams use to compensate. Have a base offense, know it, practice it until you can execute it in your sleep, then punch other teams in the face with it. Anything else is bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I can see the WC lovers still think it's a great idea. F€£KING comical!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Can anyone tell me why there were 2 guys running streak patterns 10 yards away from one other on that INT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Can anyone tell me why there were 2 guys running streak patterns 10 yards away from one other on that INT? Gailey said the play was designed to go to the middle of the field. It makes me think that Donald Jones didn't run his pattern correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe in NC Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Maybe David Lee can fix Smith's mechanics the way he did for Fitz Oh wait, um, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) My real problem is not the playcall itself to throw out of the wildcat but more of the fact there was no attempt at misdirection. Wildcat relies heavily on misdirection and creating mismatches. I'd rather see some motion with spiller/fred, playaction or Brad Smith rolling out on the play with the option of passing. Having smith roll out has some benefits such as being able to throw the ball away or run if nothing is available. More chances at someone blowing assignment as well. You are not going to fool anyone with Smith taking the snap out of shotgun and immediately throwing deep. This can be an effective play but just the wrong wildcat package to throw out of. Edited October 15, 2012 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 There were a lot of lanes for smith to run in the wildcat today. They should have used it more, but not pass out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Another problem with the Wildcat this year is Chan is not choosing to use it on 2nd and 3rd and 1-2 to pick up the first downs all that much, and instead is having Fitz throw out of an empty backfield and it's not working. That said, today they used it on 2-1 and picked up 3 yards for a first down. Spiller had a 7-8 yard run from it. There was a great 16 yard Wildcat run to the 1 yard line by Brad Smith right before the Fred Ex TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I say keep it it was effective on a few plays. But why the hell use it on that that 4th Q drive in that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't Smith serve up a big INT the last time he threw a bomb off a wildcat? Maybe that's what Rex was talking about when he said Tebow throws better than Smith in the wildcat. Can't disagree. Plus, as a former QB, he should know better not to throw the ball when the WR takes the wrong route (if that's in fact what happened). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't Smith serve up a big INT the last time he threw a bomb off a wildcat? Maybe that's what Rex was talking about when he said Tebow throws better than Smith in the wildcat. Can't disagree. Plus, as a former QB, he should know better not to throw the ball when the WR takes the wrong route (if that's in fact what happened). Terrible call. Pretty bad throw. Bad decision. Bad route. There is no question that Gailey did not design that play to have two WRs run fly routes right next to each other. Smith threw to his target, Jones, who seemed to have a step on his man, and overthrew him by 2-3 yards. But Peterson should never have been that close to intercept. He wasn't covering Jones. If Jones ran more to the middle of the field it's very likely just incomplete. And just a stupid call and pretty bad throw (but overthrown as it better be not underthrown). Edited October 15, 2012 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 not a good call at all in that situation. under 5 minutes in the game with a 3 point lead on the right side of the 50 yard line. We needed to run the ball and kill the clock. Might be a great call in a different part of the game, but not in that one.... I actually liked the call. It stunned everyone on the defensive line. Smith had all day back there to throw a bomb. Thing is, it was a bad throw. Receiver didn't have good separation. Good call, bad execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Oklahoma has great success with it Maybe Chan could coach there....a Win-Win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I like the Wildcat if we don't pass from it. Think of it this way - when we use the wildcat, Fitz isn't throwing inaccurate passes. Addition by subtraction. Can we ban the wildcat now? for every one good play there are 10 bad ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgbe Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 please!!!!!!!! never use the wildCRAP ever again. it's horrible. When a wildcat team wins the superbowl i'll change my tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I actually liked the call. It stunned everyone on the defensive line. Smith had all day back there to throw a bomb. Thing is, it was a bad throw. Receiver didn't have good separation. Good call, bad execution. I honestly don't think it was a bad pass at all. The problem was that Stevie/Peterson were running the same route and over the top of the other WR/DB. Watching the replay the ball was thrown to where Jones only had a shot at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Agreed....it was 2nd and 8 and I would have been happy with two consecutive running plays. At least we would have taken some time off the clock, and the way we were running the ball, probably would have moved the chains. Horrible call given the game situation. Me too! I don't know how successful running would've been, but at the very least you're burning clock. Run it on 2nd down, eat clock, and see what you got on 3rd. I bet a draw would've worked on a third and medium, if the scenario presented itself. It's a horrible call if it in any way involves the word "wildcat". Gimmicks are what bad teams use to compensate. Have a base offense, know it, practice it until you can execute it in your sleep, then punch other teams in the face with it. Anything else is bull ****. I would agree except you're forgetting the Bills aren't a very good team. I'm sure the few wildcat reps in practice don't significantly detract from the base offense. It's not like the wildcat is holding the Bills back from being an otherwise good team. So if a gimmick is what they need to compensate, I'm all for it. It's really just a wrinkle that happens to have a name, so it's easier to criticize. My real problem is not the playcall itself to throw out of the wildcat but more of the fact there was no attempt at misdirection. There was the same pre-snap motion on that play as every other wildcat play they ran all day. Not sure what you mean. Smith faked a handoff to Spiller, same as he did on his 16 yard keeper. Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't Smith serve up a big INT the last time he threw a bomb off a wildcat? I wouldn't call it a "big" INT. It was essentially a punt in garbage time of the first game of the season when the Bills had a commanding 35 point lead. I'm sure Chan just said, "No matter what- throw it downfield so there's tape of us throwing out of the wildcat." Good DCs then knew that they had to cover wideouts and keep at least one safety back so someone like Roscoe doesn't get behind the coverage. That probably helped the running aspect of the wildcat last year until they scrapped it when BS had to play WR fulltime. Edited October 15, 2012 by uncle flap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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