C.Biscuit97 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Art Monk or Cris Carter never scared anyone either. Michael Irvin, Andre Reed... they did, & are at a whole other level imo. Completely disagree about Carter. When he retired, he was arguably the 2nd best receiver ever. He had the best set of hands I have ever seen. IF I was ranking the receivers for the HOF, it would be 1) Carter 2) Reed 3) Brown. I find it real hard believing Tim Brown isn't a first balloter:Let alone not making the top 10. I think he was an unstoppable player.--Just like in the NBA you couldn't stop Adrian Dantley on the drive ...-you couldn't stop Tim Brown on a pass route.-And he generally had crap QBs throwing to him until Rich Gannon came along(and he couldnt throw a deep ball). Not a big Brown fan. He was just a guy who put up numbers because he played for a long time. He never struck me as a great receiver. Peter King today: k. I'm still waiting for the Andre Reed fans from La Jolla and Albuquerque and Lubbock to harangue me about why he hasn't been elected. It's funny that all the critics so far seem to be from Western New York. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/02/12/eli/2.html I fear that he's right. I don't think he ever gets in. There's not a lot of support for him outside of WNY because his stats aren't as impressive as the two guys he's up against and about ten more guys coming down the pike in the next couple/few years. Just my opinion. And this is why it shouldn't be about stats. Reed was the top receiver on a team that went to 4 SBs. The league didn't pass nearly as much as they do know. Based on stats, Welker is a superior receiver to Reed. This is complete crap. Jerry Rice called Reed the best receiver in the game during their playing days. Next to Reed, he was the 2nd best receiver after the catch I have ever seen. Plus if you add in his playoff numbers, he had a remarkable career. Additionally, he played in Buffalo (cold weather city), on a very balanced team (Lofton finished his HOF career here along with Thurman and the other receiving options), that often had big leads (thus no garbage time numbers like some of the crappy teams Brown played on). Reed wasn't a 1st ballot HOFer but there isn't a doubt in my mind he is a HOFer. This was one of the worst HOF classes ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Completely disagree about Carter. When he retired, he was arguably the 2nd best receiver ever. He had the best set of hands I have ever seen. IF I was ranking the receivers for the HOF, it would be 1) Carter 2) Reed 3) Brown. Not a big Brown fan. He was just a guy who put up numbers because he played for a long time. He never struck me as a great receiver. And this is why it shouldn't be about stats. Reed was the top receiver on a team that went to 4 SBs. The league didn't pass nearly as much as they do know. Based on stats, Welker is a superior receiver to Reed. This is complete crap. Jerry Rice called Reed the best receiver in the game during their playing days. Next to Reed, he was the 2nd best receiver after the catch I have ever seen. Plus if you add in his playoff numbers, he had a remarkable career. Additionally, he played in Buffalo (cold weather city), on a very balanced team (Lofton finished his HOF career here along with Thurman and the other receiving options), that often had big leads (thus no garbage time numbers like some of the crappy teams Brown played on). Reed wasn't a 1st ballot HOFer but there isn't a doubt in my mind he is a HOFer. This was one of the worst HOF classes ever. I always viewed Reed as very, very good but not great. He was a terrific Bill--dependable, good hands, and tough after the catch. But he wasn't a game breaker and he was never the sort of guy that a QB could throw it up in the vicinity of and expect that he'd wrestle it away from a defender (or defenders). Chris Carter was definitely that sort of guy. Again, just my opinion. I know most here disagree with me and view Reed as a HOF player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 How do we get KRC in one of the At Large positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 How do we get KRC in one of the At Large positions? Petition the HOF. They pick the selectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 How do we get KRC in one of the At Large positions? That's some pretty intimate knowledge, just sayin Petition the HOF. They pick the selectors. Sorry, couldn't resist. Does Eddie D. ever get in? Based on the circumstances that led to his leaving the team I would guess not, but, for several years he did everything possible to field the best possible NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I would bet the voters view Carter as more deserving than Reed--yet Carter still didn't get in, despite this year's weak class. I don't see Reed ever getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsSD Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Peter King today: k. I'm still waiting for the Andre Reed fans from La Jolla and Albuquerque and Lubbock to harangue me about why he hasn't been elected. It's funny that all the critics so far seem to be from Western New York. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/02/12/eli/2.html I fear that he's right. I don't think he ever gets in. There's not a lot of support for him outside of WNY because his stats aren't as impressive as the two guys he's up against and about ten more guys coming down the pike in the next couple/few years. Just my opinion. Carter and Reed made it further than Brown, from what Peter King has said (the most vocal HOF voter) it seems the two of them are drawing votes from one another. I wish Carter had been elected so that it would have cleared the way for Reed next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Does Eddie D. ever get in? Based on the circumstances that led to his leaving the team I would guess not, but, for several years he did everything possible to field the best possible NFL team. It is extremely tough for a contributor to get in. The selectors do not want to "waste" a spot on a non-player. That is why they used the seniors process for LeBeau. They did not want to "waste" a spot on an assistant coach. So, they snubbed their noses at the rules and put him in through the seniors process. Meanwhile, deserving seniors get ignored. They put Sabol in last year and they will probably put in Parcells in a year or two. That still leaves worthy candidates like Wolf and Eddie in the wings. It's possible that he gets in, but I would not put money on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) He's turning into the Bert Blyleven of the Football HOF. He's going to get in eventually and when he does, it will be tainted for me. P.S. He does NOT deserve to get in before Cris Carter. Not even close. Tim Brown, probably. And P.P.S. is anyone else absolutely blown away by the fact that Cortez Kennedy is in the HOF and Cris Carter is not??? Like Crazy Eddie's prices, it's insane! Edited February 15, 2012 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reed did it in Buffalo, Carter in a dome. For that alone he deceives to be in before carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reed is probably not going to get into the hall of fame. People remember the critical poor sportsmanship penalties that crippled the Bills on any number of occassions. As time goes on there are more and more players contending for the receiver slots available, and he already has at least Chris Carter ahead of him. His whining doesn't help much either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWest Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Carter does not deserve to get in the hall before Reed! How many Superbowls did Carter play in? How many NFC Championship games, How many meaningful playoff games?...That stuff matters. Also carter was pretty much the only threat,or go to guy in Minnesota before Moss arrived, same in Philly. Reed was splitting catches time with Thurman Thomas, James Lofton both Hall Of Famers, not to mention Beebe, and a handful of other decent receivers and tight ends. His catches may be fewer, but his catches mattered more. You're high. Reed gets in first, plus if you want to talk about babies-Carter is considered oen of the biggest dikwadz in the NFL. He was a wife beater for god's sake! Stupid thread. Reed is probably not going to get into the hall of fame. People remember the critical poor sportsmanship penalties that crippled the Bills on any number of occassions. As time goes on there are more and more players contending for the receiver slots available, and he already has at least Chris Carter ahead of him. His whining doesn't help much either. What the one time when he threw his helmet down in Minnesota during the Superbowl? Yeah-That game was already over at that point and he was The ONLY guy catching the ball that day for The Bills. He was a winner and leader and never did anything off the field to get in trouble like carter who was arrested for beating his wife. Reed gets in ahead of Carter. Carter is more on people's radar becuase he is on ESPN, but most writers and voters think it is Reed who goes in first (if any of the three get in at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Carter does not deserve to get in the hall before Reed! How many Superbowls did Carter play in? How many NFC Championship games, How many meaningful playoff games?...That stuff matters. Also carter was pretty much the only threat,or go to guy in Minnesota before Moss arrived, same in Philly. Reed was splitting catches time with Thurman Thomas, James Lofton both Hall Of Famers, not to mention Beebe, and a handful of other decent receivers and tight ends. His catches may be fewer, but his catches mattered more. What the one time when he threw his helmet down in Minnesota during the Superbowl? Yeah-That game was already over at that point and he was The ONLY guy catching the ball that day for The Bills. He was a winner and leader and never did anything off the field to get in trouble like carter who was arrested for beating his wife. Reed gets in ahead of Carter. Carter is more on people's radar becuase he is on ESPN, but most writers and voters think it is Reed who goes in first (if any of the three get in at all). Untrue - Jake Reed was a better second receiver than anyone the Bills ever had. And I'm not sure why Moss's years don't count. Check out Reed's stats from 1994-1997: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedJa00.htm Here are Moss's stats from 1998 onward: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm As for his short-lived Philly career, he had Keith Jackson on his team. He was the best TE in the league in the late 1990s. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackKe00.htm As for Reed throwing his helmet in the SB, he did it in the first half while the Bills were driving. The Bills had a chance to make it 17-7. I don't put much stock in that, however. It was a crappy non-call. In any event, Carter was a better player, and his catches didn't matter less (particularly since he caught far more TDs than Reed with worse QBs throwing to him). But Reed was very good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN1978 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Who cares? If or not Reed gets in, I doubt we'll see another Bill get in for at least 30 years. We barely have pro bowlers on the squad let alone HOF'ers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reed will get in. I think he has every right to be frustrated. Wouldn't you be frustrated if you had 941 NFL catches after playing your college ball at Kutztown State? Ya might be...Ya just might be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reed is probably not going to get into the hall of fame. People remember the critical poor sportsmanship penalties that crippled the Bills on any number of occassions. As time goes on there are more and more players contending for the receiver slots available, and he already has at least Chris Carter ahead of him. His whining doesn't help much either. I don't think it's that clear that Carter is "ahead of him." Better or worse, Reed made the cut to ten in 2011, while Carter did not. They both made the cut to ten in 2012. In my opinion, it's insane that either of them have had to wait this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 He's turning into the Bert Blyleven of the Football HOF. He's going to get in eventually and when he does, it will be tainted for me. P.S. He does NOT deserve to get in before Cris Carter. Not even close. Tim Brown, probably. And P.P.S. is anyone else absolutely blown away by the fact that Cortez Kennedy is in the HOF and Cris Carter is not??? Like Crazy Eddie's prices, it's insane! I agree with you here as Carter definitely deserves the nod before Reed even though I do believe Reed did enough in his era to warrant a place in Canton as well. The problem is that Cris, Reed, and Tim are all cancelling each other out right now. They are taking votes from each other. So, Reed won't get in until Carter does and Carter may be a snub too with Reed getting so many votes. But, to see some of the people make it in this year over Carter and even Reed was shocking. Carter should be a first ballot HOF WR period, he was that good. Some of the best hands in NFL history and hands the best at using his body to get open (even when he wasnt open) ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Cortez for real the guy never made it to the big game !! Andre has every right to be pissed when he retired he was second in all time yards or catches or something like that behind Rice & now he's like 4th & then you put in that the guys that got in did it in less time than him !! The guy did something that none of the others did he got his team to the big show 4 times in a row -- sure he didn't win but there will never be another team that will ever do that & seeing that Jim , Thurman , Bruce & Marv are there Andre deserves it !! So a baby i think not !! Deserving -- I'd say so !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Reed,Carter & Brown will get in next year after this years disgraceful vote & the uproar it caused I don't see how the voters will make that mistake again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) If we are going to talk about big catches, fine. Who can remember a big postseason game from Carter? Anyone? Bueller? Carter's postseason stats: 14 games, 63 catches, 870 yards, 13.81 ypc, 2 100-yard games, 8 TD (2 in wins, 6 in losses). Reed's postseason stats: 19 games, 85 catches, 1,229 yards, 14.46 ypc, 5 100-yard games, 9 TD (7 in wins, 2 in losses). In fact, Reed had more postseason touchdown catches in ONE game than Carter did in his entire career, or has everyone forgotten the three big TDs he caught in the Comeback? Deserving, hell yes. Ahead of Cris Carter? Absolutely. Edited February 16, 2012 by BRH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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