cage Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 In light of everything that we're complaining about on the Defensive side I want to shout out to Torrell Troup and Alex Carrington. Where are you guys?? Troup, 2nd round pick for those you who don't know who I'm talking about based listening to the announcers during games, has been beyond invisible. No production to speak of going into his 2nd year. Also drafted by current regime, not Dick Jauron. Stats on the year: 1 tackle, 1 assist, 0 sacks Carrington, seemed to show well in the preseason and it was reasonable to expect that he would be young leader on a "rising" defense, but practically nothing since the real games had started. Oh yeah 3rd round pick last year by the same regime,... again not Dick Jauron. Stats on the year: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks What can we say about these guys?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Troup, 2nd round pick for those you who don't know who I'm talking about based listening to the announcers during games, has been beyond invisible. No production to speak of going into his 2nd year. Also drafted by current regime, not Dick Jauron. Stats on the year: 1 tackle, 1 assist, 0 sacks Troup's only been active for one game this season due to injury. Hard to knock him for lack of production this year when he hasn't been on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think part of the lack of aggression is the players we have at the CB positions. McGee out and Williams out makes the secondary look alot different, especially when opposing 3 and 4 wide sets. They seem scared to send extra guys at the QB because of a possible lapse in coverage. Do I agree with it? No, I'd rather try to rattle the QB and take my chances. We should've been sending 5 and 6 guys all day long against Dalton, IMO. Let him take a couple of hard hits and he's not standing so poised back there on that final drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 hated the Troup pick when it was made and my opinion hasnt changed i dont get Carrington though, he has shown flashes but doesnt seem to be on the field much this defensive scheme blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Watching our defense misuse all of it's supposed talent this year is just excruciating. I hate watching and waiting for a sack to maybe happen, or watching our CBs get burned every single play. It's so nauseating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Not sure how/why you would slight them for their lack of production when the aren't on the field much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Not sure how/why you would slight them for their lack of production when the aren't on the field much. For exactly that reason... they're high draft choices in their 2nd year by the current front office on a poor defense. Why aren't they on the field? High draft picks should be starting or having significant playing time on bad defenses. Edited October 5, 2011 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac72 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I like Troup. He looks pretty solid when i see him. As everyone noted, he missed the first 3 games with back problems. And DT's that are there to anchor and not pass rush will never put up stats. So rotating in for some plays, not much chance to notice him. Still think it was not a bad pick, other than I thought we'd get him in the 3rd and not the 2nd. As for our D strategy, I agree we should be more aggressive. I thought that was the point of the 3-4, is that it allows more variance in pass rushing and more confusion for the offense. But we don't do any of that... we just rush the same 4 guys on every play. I don't see how that's ever going to work. And if anything, the sketchy CB situation we have now should lead to a MORE aggressive pass rush, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 When I see Carrington out there, it seems like he's oftentimes making a mistake of some kind. I think I saw him make one really good play (a stuff on a run for a loss); otherwise, I've noticed a lot of blown gap assignments on run plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac72 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 For exactly that reason... they're high draft choices in their 2nd year by the current front office on a poor defense. Why aren't they on the field? High draft picks should be starting or having significant playing time on bad defenses. Kyle Williams plays Troup's spot. So aside from when we lineup in a 4-3, or unless we move KW to DE, Troup won't see a lot of action. Carrington does see some action, but with Kelsay and Merriman ahead of him, well.. they aren't just going to bench those guys just yet. Further, quick passing game of the NFL today is going to limit sacks. I'd be surprised if they are not down across the board. Looks at the passing yardage this year, it's insane. Without fooling the D, which we don't, tough to get there. Von Miller one exception, he's a freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 carrington has played well when he gets into a groove. Troup will be better than heard once he gets his opportunities. another fan over-reacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Carrington is still learning and growing. He will be a very good player. He has been burned a few times on draws and screens, so the O has attacked his aggressiveness. He will get better at recognizing those. I think people place unrealistic expectations on young players. For non first-round picks, it often takes a few years before they reach their NFL potential. Hell, it often takes awhile for first rounders to develop. Last year everyone wanted to go after Soliai of Miami. He rarely played until his 3rd year, and didn't get significant playing time until his 4th year (last year). Overall I think Carrington's potential level is higher than Troup's. Troup will be a good cog in the middle; i think Carrington can be a game-changer. But that might not happen for another year or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibuya Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Bengals didn't run up the middle on us did they.. Therefore the Troup and Williams and Spencer did there job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I put a lot of the blame on the defensive scheme. We lack aggression and confusion on defense and the opposing team offenses find it easy to pick the secondary and occasionally the rushing defense apart because of this. Its extremely frustrating to watch this defense let opposing teams have all day to find the open seams while our defense sits in prevent especially after watching the New York Jets or Pittsburgh Steelers defense in action. Agreed. I think I could throw for 300 Yds against the Bills along with anyone else here. They gotta change things up and bring pressure on the QB. Troup and Carrington don't seem to be any sort of factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop BILL-ievin' Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I still have hope for the two of them....but the contribution from our top 3 last year (Spiller, Troupe, and Carrington) does not look so good right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Carrington does see some action, but with Kelsay and Merriman ahead of him, well.. they aren't just going to bench those guys just yet. Somebody explain to me why they have a 305 lb. DE playing OLB?? Talk about extremes...1st Maybin at 220, then Carrington at 305. That must be a doozy of a scheme when these two players are at the same position. EDWARDS ROCKS! :lol: Edited October 5, 2011 by LabattBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Somebody explain to me why they have a 305 lb. DE playing OLB?? Talk about extremes...1st Maybin at 220, then Carrington at 305. That must be a doozy of a scheme when these two players are at the same position. EDWARDS ROCKS! :lol: Because the Bills are in a 4-3/ 4 man fronts most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Because the Bills are in a 4-3/ 4 man fronts most of the time. Are you speculating, or know this as fact? Sometimes it is hard to differentiate fact from fiction on this board. Why wouldn't he be playing DE in the 3-4 fronts, and why has it been reported that he is practicing at OLB? I will have to watch Carrington closer this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Both these guys went to work in the offseason to get bigger and stronger -- they'll both be solid starters or key rotational players --- Carrington has gotten great push on the pocket when he's played and will eventually be they every down DE when they are in 4-man fronts -- might even have pushed Edwards if he wasn't playing so good -- Troup hasn't seen field enough due to injury -- he looked very good at camp before hurting his hand -- Both will pan out to be solid picks -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just Buddy Picks being Buddy Picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just Buddy Picks being Buddy Picks. What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 For exactly that reason... they're high draft choices in their 2nd year by the current front office on a poor defense. Why aren't they on the field? High draft picks should be starting or having significant playing time on bad defenses. They should, if we had an actual defensive coordinator. Edwards and Wanny should switch roles. Wanny knows how to get production out of defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Many said it last year and the problem remains: a new defensive coordinator might do wonders for this team. When you become known as a defense that plays it safe, the opposition has a major advantage. They certainly do this year. Getting rid of McKelvin would help also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I put a lot of the blame on the defensive scheme. We lack aggression and confusion on defense and the opposing team offenses find it easy to pick the secondary and occasionally the rushing defense apart because of this. Its extremely frustrating to watch this defense let opposing teams have all day to find the open seams while our defense sits in prevent especially after watching the New York Jets or Pittsburgh Steelers defense in action. You mean getting chewed up in the running game like Pitt and the Jets defense have this year. Both teams are giving up well over 100 yards per game. Jets are almost last in the league against the run and Pitt is in the bottom bracket. Not defending our defense, just saying even well-coached defensive oriented teams can still struggle like we are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 In light of everything that we're complaining about on the Defensive side I want to shout out to Torrell Troup and Alex Carrington. Where are you guys?? Troup, 2nd round pick for those you who don't know who I'm talking about based listening to the announcers during games, has been beyond invisible. No production to speak of going into his 2nd year. Also drafted by current regime, not Dick Jauron. Stats on the year: 1 tackle, 1 assist, 0 sacks Carrington, seemed to show well in the preseason and it was reasonable to expect that he would be young leader on a "rising" defense, but practically nothing since the real games had started. Oh yeah 3rd round pick last year by the same regime,... again not Dick Jauron. Stats on the year: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks What can we say about these guys?? The most obvious thing is that stats are for losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 There was at least one play against Cincy when Troup pushed his guy all the way back into Dalton. And that doesn't qualify as sucking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 hated the Troup pick when it was made and my opinion hasnt changed i dont get Carrington though, he has shown flashes but doesnt seem to be on the field much this defensive scheme blows Yeah Terrence Cody is sucking it in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 They should, if we had an actual defensive coordinator. Edwards and Wanny should switch roles. Wanny knows how to get production out of defensive players. I'm sure that Wannstedt has plenty of say. He has an Assistant Head Coach title, I doubt he just silently defers to Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Troup can't stay healthy. This could be a bust. He is out for the Eagles game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Troup's only been active for one game this season due to injury. Hard to knock him for lack of production this year when he hasn't been on the field. Not just "not on the field" as in "available, but not utilized", but "inactive due to injury" And the latest is, will be inactive again this Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Are you speculating, or know this as fact? Sometimes it is hard to differentiate fact from fiction on this board. Why wouldn't he be playing DE in the 3-4 fronts, and why has it been reported that he is practicing at OLB? I will have to watch Carrington closer this week. For the record, I have only noticed Carrington playing as a 5tech on some obvious passing downs the alst 2 weeks. And I think they arent producing because they arent very good. Fans around hear seem to think every player will develop into a starter, but that just is not the case. When players show something early, they tend to succeed, when they dont, meh. Are you speculating, or know this as fact? Sometimes it is hard to differentiate fact from fiction on this board. Why wouldn't he be playing DE in the 3-4 fronts, and why has it been reported that he is practicing at OLB? I will have to watch Carrington closer this week. For the record, I have only noticed Carrington playing as a 5tech on some obvious passing downs the alst 2 weeks. And I think they arent producing because they arent very good. Fans around hear seem to think every player will develop into a starter, but that just is not the case. When players show something early, they tend to succeed, when they dont, meh. Look at Dares v Maybin. One sucked so bad the coaches were worried about him ever contributing after just his first OTAs, the other was a top 2 player on the defense his first day of practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARCO186 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Quick Someone get a hold of White House and let them know we have a crisis!!! Talk about slamming dude. Relax, I do agree the Bills have issues but at this pont in time to start calling out people is not going to do a thing. They all know what is on their plate and what needs to be done. Why slam on these guys when the probowler up front starts??? Why not Marcell or Edwards??? Why not the LBS???? Why not the CB's and safety's????? Point is the WHOLE DEFENSE AS ONE UNIT NOT INDIVIDUALS!!!!! They have one game in which they don't win and we all of a sudden have problems??? What if they won, would you write this post? ESPN has this thing they call COME ON MAN..... This post should be on it. Sorry but not called for.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Are you speculating, or know this as fact? Sometimes it is hard to differentiate fact from fiction on this board. Why wouldn't he be playing DE in the 3-4 fronts, and why has it been reported that he is practicing at OLB? I will have to watch Carrington closer this week. Do you watch the games? The Bills are almost never in a 3-4 front. It's always 4 guys with a hand on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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