FluffHead Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Anyone see this tonight? I thought it was really good. On draft day, Tebow's agent had the teams most interested in Tim highlighted. Buffalo was one of them. He said "Buffalo has been changing their minds everyday for the last two weeks" or something of that nature. Seems like we had a real debate over whether to pick Tim. Nothing groundbreaking, but it was interesting to hear after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 well worth the watch if they re-run it. I think he said Denver was the clear favorite to draft him and Buffalo was second, which turned out to be right. FWIW the Pats* were also highlighted. I thought the most interesting thing was the trade talk. He said that Denver had contacted every team picking from 22-28 discussing trade up possibilities the week before the draft. He also said that Denvers plan was to trade back from 11 and/or up from their 2nd rounder for Tebow - and both cases ended up happening. That makes me think teams know what is gonna be available way before the actualy day of. If Nix has a plan to trade back then it CAN be done. Please no more of this "but you need a trade partner" BS. The Pats do it every year and Denver did exactly what they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLBILLS15 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Anyone see this tonight? I thought it was really good. On draft day, Tebow's agent had the teams most interested in Tim highlighted. Buffalo was one of them. He said "Buffalo has been changing their minds everyday for the last two weeks" or something of that nature. Seems like we had a real debate over whether to pick Tim. Nothing groundbreaking, but it was interesting to hear after the fact. Man i loved the documentary. Being in Ocala (25 mins from Gainesville) and being a Gator fan i would have loved to have him on the Bills. After you watch this you can't help but WANT a kid on your team who has his mindset, trains as hard as he does, and doesn't let outside things phase him. I think he is gonna be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Great show. Gota love Tebow. It's debatable but I think this confirms we were not trying to make a run at him later on in the 1st. It seems Denver was the only team ever really going to take him that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Coulda shoulda. TT is going to be a Hall of Famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It was 'TV worth watching'. All in all, the show made a fool of McShay who repeatedly publically slammed Tim and proclaimed him 3rd round material. 'Shows' what he knows.. Had he been remotely accurate, Tebow probably wouldn't have gotten past our 2nd round pick. Also a Gator fan, I wish Tebow all the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Missed it. I wanted to see the part where he walks on water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammer_police Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Coulda shoulda. TT is going to be a marginal player who lasts a few seasons and then crashes down in a haze of cliches. Missed it. I wanted to see the part where he walks on water. He's better than most people because he's on the inside with the Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It was 'TV worth watching'. All in all, the show made a fool of McShay who repeatedly publically slammed Tim and proclaimed him 3rd round material. 'Shows' what he knows.. Had he been remotely accurate, Tebow probably wouldn't have gotten past our 2nd round pick. Uh, didn't the Broncos draft him in the 1st? (ie, he didn't get past our 2nd round pick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarkLessWagMore Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Coulda shoulda. TT is going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's a lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Missed it. I wanted to see the part where he walks on water. Oh, c'mon. We B word about character and players too dumb not to buy stolen computers and hang with gang bangers/bring guns into nightclubs and so forth. Then you have a kid with character and moral convictions and we slam that too. Make up your mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Missed it. I wanted to see the part where he walks on water. It was right after he turned gatorade on the sidelines into wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Uh, didn't the Broncos draft him in the 1st? (ie, he didn't get past our 2nd round pick) Uh, yeah, I inferred that. Sorry you missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Oh, c'mon. We B word about character and players too dumb not to buy stolen computers and hang with gang bangers/bring guns into nightclubs and so forth. Then you have a kid with character and moral convictions and we slam that too. Make up your mind We are equal opportunity slammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Tim's agent said the Bills contacted him TEN TIMES the week of the draft saying they may draft a QB in the first or second round. But he also said they kept changing their mind. NO DOUBT in my mind if Tebow slips to the Bills 2nd round pick, they take him. No way in hell was Buddy giving up a first round pick for him. And also a Buddy Nix sighting at Tebow's pro day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Oh, c'mon. We B word about character and players too dumb not to buy stolen computers and hang with gang bangers/bring guns into nightclubs and so forth. Then you have a kid with character and moral convictions and we slam that too. Make up your mind There is no duplicity here. I was always tired of hearing about St. Tebow. Cam Newton(sic), another piece of manure that is being lionized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 well worth the watch if they re-run it. I think he said Denver was the clear favorite to draft him and Buffalo was second, which turned out to be right. FWIW the Pats* were also highlighted. I thought the most interesting thing was the trade talk. He said that Denver had contacted every team picking from 22-28 discussing trade up possibilities the week before the draft. He also said that Denvers plan was to trade back from 11 and/or up from their 2nd rounder for Tebow - and both cases ended up happening. That makes me think teams know what is gonna be available way before the actualy day of. If Nix has a plan to trade back then it CAN be done. Please no more of this "but you need a trade partner" BS. The Pats do it every year and Denver did exactly what they wanted. Do you think that Tebow's agent is allowed to tell Denver which teams have expressed interest in Tebow so Denver knows how far back they can afford to trade down and still bank on getting him? That's what I wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I watched it and thought it was excellent. I like how they always threw in McShay running him into the ground. Tebow is a grounded, humble, but yet driven young man. I hope the best for him in his NFL career and that he has success to the highest attainable level, as long as it is not at the Bills' expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Man i loved the documentary. Being in Ocala (25 mins from Gainesville) and being a Gator fan i would have loved to have him on the Bills. After you watch this you can't help but WANT a kid on your team who has his mindset, trains as hard as he does, and doesn't let outside things phase him. I think he is gonna be a good one. I agree with you that he is the type of person you would be proud to have on your team. A lot of people are uncomfortable with his religiosity. I'm not. He is very comfortable with who he is and what he stands for. There is nothing false about him. Yes, there are doubts about him as a NFL qb because of his unconventional throwing motion. But what everyone knows you are going to get from him is maximum preparation and leadership. There are plenty of qbs who might have better passing skills but don't come close to matching him in an ability to lead a team. Whatever deficiencies Tebow has as a passer he will work like a demon to upgrade and will be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I saw it and thought it was a well-made show. As a fan, I appreciated his openness (and patience) with the fans that wanted photographs, pictures, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Do you think that Tebow's agent is allowed to tell Denver which teams have expressed interest in Tebow so Denver knows how far back they can afford to trade down and still bank on getting him? That's what I wondering. Of course he can. Do you think teams sometimes tell a player he's 100% and then draft someone they didn't talk to? Because I've heard that many times too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Do you think that Tebow's agent is allowed to tell Denver which teams have expressed interest in Tebow so Denver knows how far back they can afford to trade down and still bank on getting him? That's what I wondering. I'm pretty sure that happens all the time. There really wouldn't be any practical way to regulate that, so I'm sure the NFL doesn't love it, but can't do anything about it. Besides, the smart GM wouldn't listen to a word an agent says. Edited January 7, 2011 by Dr. Fong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) I agree with you that he is the type of person you would be proud to have on your team. A lot of people are uncomfortable with his religiosity. I'm not. He is very comfortable with who he is and what he stands for. There is nothing false about him. Yes, there are doubts about him as a NFL qb because of his unconventional throwing motion. But what everyone knows you are going to get from him is maximum preparation and leadership. There are plenty of qbs who might have better passing skills but don't come close to matching him in an ability to lead a team. Whatever deficiencies Tebow has as a passer he will work like a demon to upgrade and will be successful. My annoyance with Tebow DOES have to do with his religiosity, in that he is QB of average skillset, but is canonized because of his "aw shucks" demeanor and high moral Christian values. Strip that away and you'd have another Tee Martin and he wouldn't be selected in the first round of the draft. I still believe his strengths won't translate well to being a full starter in the NFL. Maybe a gadget QB at best. Edited January 7, 2011 by Heels20X6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm pretty sure that happens all the time. There really wouldn't be any practical way to regulate that, so I'm sure the NFL doesn't love it, but can't do anything about it. Besides, the smart GM wouldn't listen to a word an agent says. Thats the other half. If they listened every agent could say "sorry, he will be gone by 10 - better trade waaaaay up and open the checkbook." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLBILLS15 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) My annoyance with Tebow DOES have to do with his religiosity, in that he is QB of average skillset, but is canonized because of his "aw shucks" demeanor and high moral Christian values. Strip that away and you'd have another Tee Martin and he wouldn't be selected in the first round of the draft. I still believe his strengths won't translate well to being a full starter in the NFL. Maybe a gadget QB at best. So you're saying he got drafted because of all his religious beliefs? How he publicy praises God? The broncos I don't think would have shelled out the money on a 25th pick if they didn't think he was worth it (unless they thought they were going to sell 41M worth of tickets-in the next 5 years) Edited January 7, 2011 by STLBILLS15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 So you're saying he got drafted because of all his religious beliefs? How he publicy praises God? The broncos I don't think would have shelled out the money on a 25th pick if they didn't think he was worth it (unless they thought they were going to sell 41M worth of tickets-in the next 5 years) Not directly because of his religious beliefs but because of all the hype that came with it. Let's not use Denver as the gold standard of drafting last year shall we? Their moves were soundly mocked and the person making them (McDaniels) didn't even finish the year. Tebow was selected purely for the hype and to sell jerseys and tickets. Take away the hype and he's at best, an average quarterback with terrible mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 No way in hell was Buddy giving up a first round pick for him. Yeah, we couldn't possibly have parted with the pick that lander CJ Spiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Thats the other half. If they listened every agent could say "sorry, he will be gone by 10 - better trade waaaaay up and open the checkbook." Exactly. Makes me wonder who has had the Bills' ear in seasons past. "You don't want Ngata, he's a big fat guy. You want my boy Whitner. He's going to be Ronnie Lott. If you don't pick him you'll be the guy that passed on the next Ronnie Lott." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I think ESPN needs to do more stories of the "good" NFL players do. The good men, who happen to be NFL players, get crowded out by the media's obsession for controversy and scandal. I'm thinking of players like Warrick Dunn. It could be argued he's had more of an impact on the NFL and its fans for his off the field work than his on-the field performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It was right after he turned gatorade on the sidelines into wine. No it was the two meteors that collided that made wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hearing about this interest from the Bills makes it seem more likely that the Bills would be interested in a guy like Newton...unless their interest in Tebow was heavily weighted on his character and leadership rather than his physical gifts/skills. I think that pretty much anything Tebow can do, Newton can do better....on the field anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Not directly because of his religious beliefs but because of all the hype that came with it. Let's not use Denver as the gold standard of drafting last year shall we? Their moves were soundly mocked and the person making them (McDaniels) didn't even finish the year. Tebow was selected purely for the hype and to sell jerseys and tickets. Take away the hype and he's at best, an average quarterback with terrible mechanics. BUT HE TRIES HARDER THAN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE NFL. HE'S A WINNER. HE MAKES EVERYONE BETTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 My annoyance with Tebow DOES have to do with his religiosity, in that he is QB of average skillset, but is canonized because of his "aw shucks" demeanor and high moral Christian values. Strip that away and you'd have another Tee Martin and he wouldn't be selected in the first round of the draft. I still believe his strengths won't translate well to being a full starter in the NFL. Maybe a gadget QB at best. What's so hard to believe that people can be attracted to this kind of kid and what he believes in? Even if it's not what you believe. Just because you don't like Christians (which is obvious), doesn't mean this isn't a great young man. You said "Strip that away and you'd have another Tee Martin and he wouldn't be selected in the first round of the draft.". You can't believe he got drafted because he believes in Jesus, do you? He got drafted for other things beside great throwing mechanics, which do not make him Tee Martin. Your just so hung up on hating Christians you can't see past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 What's so hard to believe that people can be attracted to this kind of kid and what he believes in? Even if it's not what you believe. Just because you don't like Christians (which is obvious), doesn't mean this isn't a great young man. You said "Strip that away and you'd have another Tee Martin and he wouldn't be selected in the first round of the draft.". You can't believe he got drafted because he believes in Jesus, do you? He got drafted for other things beside great throwing mechanics, which do not make him Tee Martin. Your just so hung up on hating Christians you can't see past that. ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Yeah, we couldn't possibly have parted with the pick that lander CJ Spiller. Hey, I didn't say CJ was some great pick worthy of his selection. I'm just telling you there's no way Buddy would pick Tebow at that spot. And please stop acting like Spiller is a total bust. It was his first year, give him another season before you dismiss him as a player. He's still got a lot of talent. I would have preferred someone else as well at that spot but that's easy to say now. Back to the topic, I loved this special. Hope they make a few more like this in the future. I keep thinking about the ramifications if Tebow fell to us in the 2nd. Would Fitz have been cut in camp (or before it) because Trent would have held onto his spot with Tebow learning behind him?! Gailey clearly chose Edwards as his guy at first. Just something to think about. Then again, I suppose they could have kept all 3 QBs but maybe they would have cut one to save some cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hey, I didn't say CJ was some great pick worthy of his selection. I'm just telling you there's no way Buddy would pick Tebow at that spot. And please stop acting like Spiller is a total bust. It was his first year, give him another season before you dismiss him as a player. He's still got a lot of talent. I would have preferred someone else as well at that spot but that's easy to say now. Back to the topic, I loved this special. Hope they make a few more like this in the future. I keep thinking about the ramifications if Tebow fell to us in the 2nd. Would Fitz have been cut in camp (or before it) because Trent would have held onto his spot with Tebow learning behind him?! Gailey clearly chose Edwards as his guy at first. Just something to think about. Then again, I suppose they could have kept all 3 QBs but maybe they would have cut one to save some cash. I say give Spiller next season and even another on top of that. Spiller is alot like the Raiders' Darren McFadden. McFadden was a bust by all accounts until this year. He finally showed patience when running and it led to a breakout year. CJ will have to get that same mentality and stop thinking he can use his speed for everything like he did @ Clemson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 ugh Brilliant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Great show. Gota love Tebow. It's debatable but I think this confirms we were not trying to make a run at him later on in the 1st. It seems Denver was the only team ever really going to take him that high. The only reason there was ever confusion on this point is that the guy whom the Bills actually were interested in trading back into the first round for was also drafted by Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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