Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

OK so imminent is the key part of it. Think years back was only called once ball was actually snapped. Now could be called a few seconds prior. Thanks for explanation!

So if 12 men on field, thought that's something the refs just blow whistle on and call right away, they don't even wait for snap. Think it was later during Bills game, it was down near goal line and they got a flag for 12 men, but ball was never snapped. If this time also 12 men, why not flag right away?? That would be kind of risky as don't know for certain he's going to call a TO, but am pretty certain the opposing team will change the play, or keep identical formation and run a different play.

Likely his explanation would be everyone copes differently, He tends to explode, Allen is Mr Cool. It's a good excuse to try and explain away his behavior. Better response would be to say I was frustrated and just lost me cool. A very telling moment will be next Sept when the players vote for captains. Don't think yelling at Allen will hurt his vote, but trying to sneak away after the game and as a captain not wanting to be there for his teammates could hurt his chances.

Yeah there was a pass somewhat early to Diggs, about a 10 yarder. He was running like he was more trying to be careful and not slip than anything else. Felt like the entire game, bills were all running in quicksand, or at least they felt they were.

So many here want a coach with a worse regular season record than McD and playoff record slightly better, but if take the one SB season away playoff record is also worse. And he too coached all those seasons with one of the top 5 QB's in the league. But that brings up the other problem, if you don't take a re-tread how do you know you're getting the new bright young mind that can win it all or another Kinsbury or the guy Carolina fired who was supposed to also be the new hot thing. Even McVay needs to be questioned. For every new coach that comes along and has the success level that McD has had, there are probably around 5 or more failures. These guys all may make great coordinators, but not maybe a great HC.

Yeah but that was the difference, even being emotionally spent, they can still beat 85% of the teams in the league just on talent. But now playing a team just as talented, maybe even more, the exhaustion is the difference.

In fairness the last three games of last season plus the two playoff games, Allen was 113 out of 180 , 62.7%, 1310 yards, 14 TDs, 3 Ints (all in Atlanta game), 2 sacks and ran for 342 yards. That was the point when they switched to Bates on the line. The line they brought back this year was the same as last year except switched out Williams for Safford, flipped Bates to other side, and switched out line coach to supposedly one pretty much everyone here felt was better. Meanwhile they couldn't sack the QB or stop the run all last year. Looking at those two things can't fault them too much for putting resources on S line when you add in limited cap money.

I hope they win as whoever wins almost always suffers from the SB hangover and doesn't do as well the following year which would help the Bills. KC winning would also be good, but think Bengals are more talented than KC

Time flies when you're having fun!! I was surprised to see that too. I think it's because he signed a 4 year rookie contract, but then was cut, and resigned to PS Eventually made it back to active 53, but now was on a new shorter contract.

The Bills ended the half with all 3 TO's left. The last last drive started with 1:49 left, the first play was pass to Knox in the middle so clock kept running, next play was snapped with 1:19 left. Could they have taken a TO on that play sure, but normally teams won't take a TO with that much time left so made sense. After that for the rest of the drive, every play ended with either the Bills player pushed out of bounds to stop the clock or an incomplete which also stopped the clock. And if you're saying the Bills should have called TO when Bengals had ball to try and get ball back one more time there really wasn't any plays on that drive either as either Bengals called TO or player also went OB to stop clock. The only play was at 1st and 10 from Bills 47 with about 16 seconds left but taking a TO there would only have helped the Bengals. While I agree throughout McD's tenure their use of TO's has been suspect there wasn't any need today unless you think it makes sense to call TO when the clock is already stopped.

Dane Jackson is a free agent, didn't seem like he's been here all that long. Not sure with White, Elam, and Benford, you'd want to use cap $$ to resign Jackson unless they do decide to move White to safety. It's been written many times that coming back from ACL takes 2 years so not sure the Bills would be ready to give up ion White as CB quite yet. Ideally get Poyer to come back for one season to give White another year to show where he's at, then possibly move White to safety in 2024 if speed doesn't return. Hyde will also likely be gone in 2023 so maybe FS?? Agree with you that Dawkins has struggled, maybe it is still from Covid. Brown has only played two seasons and this past year had no training camp, or pre0-season due to surgery so hate to give up him that quickly. But agree they need to at least bring in someone to challenge him for spot. Isn't 6'-7" too tall for a guard?? Digg's 2023 salary is still fairly low, so probably not worth trading. I think better option would be to pair him with WR taken in round 1 Daboll struggled first couple of seasons, many here wanted him gone. But he learned and improved. The difference here is the team is now in a win now mode, so not sure it has the time to wait for Dorsey to figure things out. Saying you're willing to be more creative and changing is easy to do, but will it happen?

I agree with the title of your thread Allen did regress this year. But the rest of your comments don't agree with. Bills were dominated today, but goes much deeper than Allen. Actually was somewhat surprised too when I looked at the stats from today's game, Burrow was better, but not that much better. Problems were elsewhere.

Yeah here's their records, Payton and McD about the same. Other than the SB year never won more than 1 playoff game any season with one of the top QB's in the league. The only thing Peyton was much better at was winning challenges which don't think you'd make HC change based on.

Agree, you want to make changes fine. But Peyton won one SB with one of best QB's in league, but also had a few .500 seasons and lost a number of playoff games as big favorite. Don't think he's all that much of an improvement. Just not a fan.

Oliver is on 5th year option so they Bills are committed $10 mil to him for 2023 and if you let him walk you still paid him the $10 mil as a cap hit. So he's not going anywhere. Think I missed something here, who are you talking about and what happened??

2 Don't understand the Oliver one? He's on a 5th year option so the way I see it they have three choices, sign him to a long term deal with a much lower cap hit, keep him on the 5th year option and pay him the $10 mil he's due in 2023 or cut him and take a $10 mil cap hit. 5th year options are fully guaranteed so there really is no in between. It's not like he's on the last year of contract and can let him play out deal like Poyer this year. 3. Doubt they'll cut Brown as only on 3rd year of cheap contract. And if he's terrible as you say, who'd want him. 13. With Shakir, and McKenzie (unless they do cut him) not sure they really need Beasley Others don't disagree much with, not sure how many will happen, probably less than half, but do agre they need to do something different and likely needs to be something big.

I feel the opposite. Last 2 years looked real good. There was an optimistic wait till next year as were only to get better feeling. This year not so sure. Need to do something different, not sure what is and have limited money to do it with. But they need to make changes either players, coaches, or philosophies. Today out of this game early as you said. They won 8 in a row, but could have easily lost all eight of them too. Ever since the KC game in Oct, never really looked quite right. So for all those reasons I feel better about it than the last two years. I kind of expected it to come crashing down. Was hoping they'd turn things around and crush them, but not shocked by outcome.

Yeah didn't even think about that. Another reason a hard no for me. I'm just not much of a Peyton fan. Different if you're a team like Houston who needs alot of work and isn't going to turn it around in one year. So giving up a 1st rounder, long term won't help that much. But the Bills are in a win now situation and need draft picks to replace vets that they no longer can afford to keep

You want to change coaches OK, not that I totally agree or think it will happen. But wouldn't be in favor of Peyton. He won one SB with a top 5 QB, and had a number of .500 seasons. Really not that impressed with him. Think the bigger issue may be the schemes and coordinators than McD.

Better not let her hear you say that! Or Else!!

OK but the question was never about which was better team KC today or Bills of 90's Question was why is KC considered best team in the league TODAY. My response was because of 5 years straight to AFC championship game with 5 division too. I then compared it to the Bills of 90's and why for similar reasons they were considered the best team even though never won a SB.

I just always remember him as Joe Messi. Didn't know there was actually a Bobby in front of that. The question I'd ask is how much of Jessica's life has actually been spent in Western NY. I believe the Pegula's call Boca Raton home, likely Jessica would too. I did look her profile up, I see it does list Buffalo as her home town, but still question how much time was actually spent there. Which does bring up the question, I wonder what state Terry is legally a resident of, where does he vote and pay state taxes in, or in the case of Florida not pay state taxes in.

5 years straight to AFC championship game with 5 division too. The only other team in the current time frame that was close to as good was Green Bay, but they'd usually lose early in playoffs and this year didn't even make them. It's kind of like most people would say the Bills were the best team of the early 90's but never won a SB. Even there, one of the years they went as a wild card.

Which is much different than what everyone was saying back in September. Add in that three NFC teams expected to be good were pretty weak, Green Bay, LA, and Tampa. But others took their spot.

The concern though is many have been really bad ints. The pass last week that went off Beasleys hand, don't fault him on that one, but as posted above many seem like he never even saw the guy. Many times you see int's in desperation time where it's just heaved downfield, or under thrown passes due to QB just not having the arm to get it there. But that's not what you see with Allen.