Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Actually I did have this happen to me. Being lefty, was my left arm, fairly mild case went away in a few weeks. Seemed to come from hitting behind the ball too often and hitting the ground. But that was kind of my point, if you have decent swing and are pretty good, the front arm is doing most of the work.

To me Cook is an outside speed finesse guy. They need an inside power back Singletary is somewhere in the middle between the two so for that reason I'd let him go and try and find that power back someplace. I think the team does need some good core ST players, but want ones that can and do contribute some to either offense or defense when needed. Jones contributes zero (same with Tyler M) so would let Jones go. Where as agree would keep Gilliam as does provide to offense when asked to.

It's his right arm. When swinging a golf club if he's putting much strain on his right arm, he may as well stop playing as he's hitting terrible. For him it should be the left arm doing most of the work. And believe me I'm speaking from experience, I'm lefty, but that back arm should be doing very little which is often not the case to my dismay.

The one thing I'll say is they are pretty consistent in how they call it. Refs don't want to blow the whistle for procedural type penalties like taking an extra second as likely isn't going to in any way affect the play, so tie goes to the runner or in many cases tie plus 1 to 2 seconds. Wouldn't be surprised if the umpire who I believe is the one who makes that call sees any motion on the centers part that he's starting to snap the ball, they let it go, play on.

At a certain point in their careers ex starting QB's realize their future is as a back up. Case Keenum was at that point already so was content to be Josh's backup. Carr definitely isn't there yet and doubt Cousins is yet either. They both think they can be the guy.

If Morse is gone, think they need to do more than this. I agree with giving Brown another shot, but the Bills line was played well below expectations this year. I'm not sure I'd want to go into next year with the interior being Boettger, Bates, and draft pick. I'd add a mid level FA vet in there too, someone better than a Stafford type and ideally who can play both guard and center. Then let these three plus the Vet FA battle it out for 3 starting slots. Whomever loses is first guy off the bench. And if the vet you pickup can't play center, that kind of dictates one of the three starters will be Bates. If Morse is still with the team likely I'd do the same except then may try to find someone who is better as a tackle, but could play inside and he's the primary backup. Also would try and upgrade the backup at tackle too in case Brown doesn't improve or maybe that guy is Doyle?

Exactly! If they move on this year, they are just adding more dead cap money and still need to then replace him. Better to keep him this year, then move on in 2024, but also draft a development guy this year who plays inside both center and guard He certainly could upset the apple cart here by retiring this year, if that happens, then move Bates to center for 2023 or they end up playing the development guy this year. More than likely he'd have retired before FA starts so they could then address there too if they feel better to go that way. Should he retire, that's a different question.

Right now they have an untested rookie that they gave up alot for, but have no idea what they really have with him, a 7th round rookie, and a guy who's looked good, but is a FA and is always hurt. Lance could be a Mac Jones type or even worse or could in the Mahommes Allen discussion. To use your car analogy, yes the car is stuck, the problem is they are 2.8 years into a 3 year lease on it. So what do they do, sell all their other cars and keep the expensive one hoping once they get past this one issue it will be great, or keep one of the less sexy models and let the fancy one expire. Like the car lease, the salary cap also gives you a window so do you want to take a chance. That's my point SF has no idea if they have a QB good enough to win with and the clock is ticking.

Yeah there is a few others. Not sure if any coach that had either Elway or Manning lasted 5 years as likely ownership felt if you can't win a SB with him at QB, we're getting rid of you. Well actually wrong, just looked it up, Dan reeves lasted close to 10 years with Elway. After that even Shanahan won early with Elway, but then too lasted 10 more years with no SB appearances. Tomlin is another one who won early with Big Ben and nothing since.

Ok thought you meant they never won after 5 years ever again. That also is partly true as after 5 years if you haven't won you're often fired. Add to that in most cases the team never had a QB capable of winning SB to start with. Reid was probably one of the exceptions in Philly as had McNabb in his prime, lasted 14 years, not all with McNabb, but never won the SB.

Allen likely has 10 years left. Unless I'm missing what you're saying Belichick and Brady were together more than 5 years.. If KC wins this year will be 5 years. Shanahan lasted more than 5 years, but Elway was gone after they won 2 in a row. Maybe the point is you can be a great coach, but can't last long in any one location??

Interesting you mention coaching. Andy Reid lasted 14 years with Eagles, made it to one SB and lost, went to the playoffs 9 of the 14 years. Overall had a worse regular season record than McD and about the same in playoffs. Even in KC it took to year 7 before he won the SB and good chance he'd had got fired if he hadn't won it that year when he did. Now he's a legend. Can recall his MO for years was can't win the big one! Bill Belichick's record in Cleveland was much worse than Mc'd and Sean McVay has a little worse record, but did have much more initial success than McD What's it all mean, likely that even great coaches take awhile to figure it out, often longer than it takes players to figure it out.

Once Belichick saw this video he said he had to have him on his staff for his calm demeanor

And SF still has a big question at QB so who knows. 2 years straight to conf championship game and came up short Not sure I'd go that far, but overall agree we don't use the running game enough. It's more an after thought.

They really needed more help at end than tackle and Jones was having a good year clogging up the runs. Phillips and Settle were decent backups too so probably not! Granted would have helped last week with Jones out and Phillips playing with one arm, but didn't know that was going to happen either. Don't think Phillips was hurt back in November yet??

The selling tickets to Atlanta didn't help any either even though the Bengals were doing the same. But their ticket sales didn't get all the press that the Bills got for doing it. A good reason for that is the Bills Mafia and how they follow the team far and near so was played up in press as a cool story. But was't cool to the Bengals and didn't do the B ills any favor fro ma motivational point.

Kind of surprised no one referenced today's BN which had an article on this very subject. Or maybe that was what motivated OP to start thread?? https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/with-better-protection-for-josh-allen-a-top-priority-bills-need-spencer-brown-to-elevate/article_c975a466-9f45-11ed-861b-470ba25bdc5a.html I have hopes when you factor in he had no off-season, training camp, or pre-season, then add in a new line coach who I'm sure had different techniques to learn plus a different player at RG than he had in 2021 as Bates moved over. Having Brown and Bates, two relatively inexperienced players next to each other likely didn't help any either. Then he got hurt in week 6 and didn't make it back to week 10, likely still not at 100%. He attended a smaller college/conference and also didn't play in 2020 due to Covid shutting down program so add all this in, he's still a work in progress. He's a cheap contract so he's going anywhere. Do you want to trust him to improve in 2023 or bring in a mid level vet to be backup or take over if no improvement. Also think better play along rest of line will make Brown look better on it's own. I think in general the Bills tend to draft a number of players who have a potential large upside, but will take a while to get there. Edmunds, Knox, Allen are a couple of names that come to mind. That was easier to deal with when team wasn't in a win now mode as they are today.

Would like either him or JU Ju Smith, but think both may be out of our price range and may be better going with 1st round rookie. Look to pick up a guard for sure. Oh and Lamar Jackson for sure.

It's interesting that the Bills were the pre-season favorite to win the SB. It's rare that a team that's never even made the SB is the pre-season favorite the following season. KC had been the fav in the AFC the past couple of seasons, but not the favorite the year they won it, think NE was. In the NFC last couple of years Tampa and Rams were favorites again, teams that have at least been there if not won it all. Not that it's an excuse but it may have been that caused them to be a bit over confident and felt they could just show up and win and slowed down any creativeness particularly on offense.

Yeah my take too was more like BuffaloBaumer. The 13 seconds game left me numb and lost. This one could was over early. Don't have a good "wait till next year" feeling either like I did a year ago.

Didn't see this posted elsewhere. In summary his take is: The Bills were too aggressive on offense and too conservative on defense! He specifically traces the point when things changed to the 2nd half of the Packers game. While he doesn't state what changed at that exact point, my own eyeball test and memory tends to agree 100% with that point in time. https://thebuffalofanatics.com/where-did-the-buffalo-bills-go-wrong-this-season-where-to-go-from-here/ Got me thinking a bit more about the defense and their bend but don't break philosophy. That probably worked well 20 years ago with the shortage of great QB play and to a lesser degree WR's too so teams would make enough mistakes that were easily stopped over the length of the game. But now too many great QB's can carve up the openings and just march down the field consistently and it ends up with death by 1000 paper cuts as they say.

The next Duke Williams!

4 of the 5 the same, but agree with you overall. I suppose the issue could be that Kromer's style didn't align with the players on the Bills strengths??

Yeah I'd rather see Jets get Rodgers as would help them for a year or two, but that's about it, then would be starting over. Dak is young enough and good enough to be there for awhile.

I didn't vote as think the right response was somewhere between the 1st and 3rd choice. One of the things the Bills have been pretty consistent over the years is drafting players on potential down the road. Knox, Edmunds, Brown, Groot, likely some others I'm forgetting. Knox was in college offense that had great WR so hardly used TE, Edmunds very young and still growing, Brown and Groot both sat out final college season because of Covid. Not saying right or wrong with this approach, but just what IMO I've seen them do. It's good if down the road the guy does blossom into star, but the downside on a team ready to win now it hurts as taking up roster spots with little high level playing time in the early years. Plus with a strong team around them, it's hard for them to get playing time.