Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

OK yeah guess that could explain it. While Bengals just marched down the field. LOL

But you can't cut him. The only option is to trade him and the team trading has to be willing to either pay him $10 mil in 2023 or work out long term deal. And if I'm Oliver I wouldn't take anything that's not going to give me more money long term and still be good deal for 2023 too. Otherwise I can just play for the $10 mil guaranteed.

Looking at these two stats seem out of alignment. I'd have thought with only an 8 minute difference in TOP wouldn't hve yielded such a difference in number of drives?? Only eight Bills offensive possessions Time of Possession: Bengals' 33:54 to Bills' 26:06

When will the SB be held, Easter Sunday? If only still playing one game per week a double elimination takes much longer. Also gives many teams a number of byes once past 1st round. It works well in baseball as the team who lost often plays a doubleheader game to get back to winners bracket and play on.

After the Jets game, the Bills won 8 straight. But they could have just as easily lost all 8. For a team with SB dreams, they should have been able to have won at least some weeks easily. It's not just the last game. So while I agree with you the team did win 13 games, it's also a bit suspect as to how they won them all and would be worried that they could repeat that without more bigger changes. Think the truth is somewhere in between.

Can I be your assistant? or assistant to assistant?

If that were to happen I'd be more in favor of the Bills making more drastic moves, Let Edmunds and Poyer walk, trade Diggs and Oliver, other moves? and gain a bunch of draft picks?? Take a step back, let AFC East blow up for two years, then come back with rebuilt younger cap friendlier team. I think when paying a QB of what Allen is getting, you're forced to do these mini rebuilds every few years so maybe this would be a good point to take one of them.

True, but still may be hard to get a team to take on $10 mil. Teh question then is how to replace him and what are you doing with Edmunds? If also don't sign Edmunds, and replace with rookies team is likely to take a significant step back short term like 2023 into 2024. Then start to ask is it better to blow things up bigger and reset things?

So you don't think Oliver is worth $10mil?? If so why would some other team take on that contract? Either the Bills or another team are on the hook for the $10 mil, unless he's given a long term deal that would have to make sense for him to agree to. Else he'd decline play out his option and then team stuck with $10 mil salary.

Unless Doyle is ready to take a big jump which no one has any ideas has hardly played, think you need better depth on the OL that you list. Need at least one better player there than you have in case on injury. Not even sure you have any back up center there?

OK don't disagree with any of what you're saying, bu this thread was started to say Peyton isn't all that great of a choice which I agree with. You want to make changes, find someone better than Peyton is my argument. There's also a lot of these hot offensive minds who they made head coaches who are now on the unemployment line too, great as a coordinator, but failed as a HC. A better option may be to keep McD as head coach, but get one of these offensive wizes to be the OC. I also think your argument about Marino stems quite a bit on luck more than an inferior team, being at the right place at the right time avoiding injuries, getting the right match up in playoffs and all of a sudden you won the SB. Meanwhile a deserving team never gets a crack at it. Did Marino have an inferior team or just at the wrong place at the wrong time? Excluding the one year the Bills went to the SB as the wild card, I think they won the division 6 out of 7 years straight so Marino was in a dog fight every year right in the prime of his career. Was it really an inferior team or were they both great teams but just that the Bills were a little better? Add to that when you have a generational talent who is paid top $$ in today's NFL it's hard to get a strong enough team around him. Manning, Rodgers, Brees all of them only won one SB (Elway twice) as is hard to build that team around them. The team will win every year and potentially be in the running to win it all, but only one time they were at the right place at the right time and won it all. How did Brady manage to win them all, who knows, maybe it was all on cheating?? Bengals also were helped a lot by being really terrible for a long time and having a number of top 10 draft picks, where the Bills were never quite that bad in the past 40 years.

Yes it is hard to get as makes little sense. First comparing QB's has little to do with how good the coach is or isn't. I guess Brian Billick must be the greatest coach of all time as he turned Trent Dillfer into SB winning QB. So are you saying Miami didn't win any because Marino was no good or Shula was no good. How exactly did Marino become this loser? Was it his fault or coaching? Either one of them, you're wrong on as both were excellent. There was probably more questions on how good Allen would be coming out of college than Brees. Allen was doing pretty well under Daboll, so maybe Dorsey is turning him into mush, but not McD. OK so you can blame McD for hiring Dorsey but he was the consensus favorite for the job. He had very little if anything to do with Allen's development good or bad as he's a defensive coach. If you want to compare coaches, compare their record which are pretty much the same. You want a different coach and think McD isn't very good. OK can't argue with that, but don't try and show that Peyton is any better. What you could have said and would be true so far: McDermott is Peyton 2.0 That would be a fair assessment.

OK so imminent is the key part of it. Think years back was only called once ball was actually snapped. Now could be called a few seconds prior. Thanks for explanation!

So if 12 men on field, thought that's something the refs just blow whistle on and call right away, they don't even wait for snap. Think it was later during Bills game, it was down near goal line and they got a flag for 12 men, but ball was never snapped. If this time also 12 men, why not flag right away?? That would be kind of risky as don't know for certain he's going to call a TO, but am pretty certain the opposing team will change the play, or keep identical formation and run a different play.

Likely his explanation would be everyone copes differently, He tends to explode, Allen is Mr Cool. It's a good excuse to try and explain away his behavior. Better response would be to say I was frustrated and just lost me cool. A very telling moment will be next Sept when the players vote for captains. Don't think yelling at Allen will hurt his vote, but trying to sneak away after the game and as a captain not wanting to be there for his teammates could hurt his chances.

Yeah there was a pass somewhat early to Diggs, about a 10 yarder. He was running like he was more trying to be careful and not slip than anything else. Felt like the entire game, bills were all running in quicksand, or at least they felt they were.

So many here want a coach with a worse regular season record than McD and playoff record slightly better, but if take the one SB season away playoff record is also worse. And he too coached all those seasons with one of the top 5 QB's in the league. But that brings up the other problem, if you don't take a re-tread how do you know you're getting the new bright young mind that can win it all or another Kinsbury or the guy Carolina fired who was supposed to also be the new hot thing. Even McVay needs to be questioned. For every new coach that comes along and has the success level that McD has had, there are probably around 5 or more failures. These guys all may make great coordinators, but not maybe a great HC.

Yeah but that was the difference, even being emotionally spent, they can still beat 85% of the teams in the league just on talent. But now playing a team just as talented, maybe even more, the exhaustion is the difference.

In fairness the last three games of last season plus the two playoff games, Allen was 113 out of 180 , 62.7%, 1310 yards, 14 TDs, 3 Ints (all in Atlanta game), 2 sacks and ran for 342 yards. That was the point when they switched to Bates on the line. The line they brought back this year was the same as last year except switched out Williams for Safford, flipped Bates to other side, and switched out line coach to supposedly one pretty much everyone here felt was better. Meanwhile they couldn't sack the QB or stop the run all last year. Looking at those two things can't fault them too much for putting resources on S line when you add in limited cap money.

I hope they win as whoever wins almost always suffers from the SB hangover and doesn't do as well the following year which would help the Bills. KC winning would also be good, but think Bengals are more talented than KC

Time flies when you're having fun!! I was surprised to see that too. I think it's because he signed a 4 year rookie contract, but then was cut, and resigned to PS Eventually made it back to active 53, but now was on a new shorter contract.

The Bills ended the half with all 3 TO's left. The last last drive started with 1:49 left, the first play was pass to Knox in the middle so clock kept running, next play was snapped with 1:19 left. Could they have taken a TO on that play sure, but normally teams won't take a TO with that much time left so made sense. After that for the rest of the drive, every play ended with either the Bills player pushed out of bounds to stop the clock or an incomplete which also stopped the clock. And if you're saying the Bills should have called TO when Bengals had ball to try and get ball back one more time there really wasn't any plays on that drive either as either Bengals called TO or player also went OB to stop clock. The only play was at 1st and 10 from Bills 47 with about 16 seconds left but taking a TO there would only have helped the Bengals. While I agree throughout McD's tenure their use of TO's has been suspect there wasn't any need today unless you think it makes sense to call TO when the clock is already stopped.

Dane Jackson is a free agent, didn't seem like he's been here all that long. Not sure with White, Elam, and Benford, you'd want to use cap $$ to resign Jackson unless they do decide to move White to safety. It's been written many times that coming back from ACL takes 2 years so not sure the Bills would be ready to give up ion White as CB quite yet. Ideally get Poyer to come back for one season to give White another year to show where he's at, then possibly move White to safety in 2024 if speed doesn't return. Hyde will also likely be gone in 2023 so maybe FS?? Agree with you that Dawkins has struggled, maybe it is still from Covid. Brown has only played two seasons and this past year had no training camp, or pre0-season due to surgery so hate to give up him that quickly. But agree they need to at least bring in someone to challenge him for spot. Isn't 6'-7" too tall for a guard?? Digg's 2023 salary is still fairly low, so probably not worth trading. I think better option would be to pair him with WR taken in round 1 Daboll struggled first couple of seasons, many here wanted him gone. But he learned and improved. The difference here is the team is now in a win now mode, so not sure it has the time to wait for Dorsey to figure things out. Saying you're willing to be more creative and changing is easy to do, but will it happen?

I agree with the title of your thread Allen did regress this year. But the rest of your comments don't agree with. Bills were dominated today, but goes much deeper than Allen. Actually was somewhat surprised too when I looked at the stats from today's game, Burrow was better, but not that much better. Problems were elsewhere.

Yeah here's their records, Payton and McD about the same. Other than the SB year never won more than 1 playoff game any season with one of the top QB's in the league. The only thing Peyton was much better at was winning challenges which don't think you'd make HC change based on.