Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I don't hate Johnson at all, I liked him. But I just feel that with Gore's background, the team may tend to take a chance on him more if he has a good looking camp and pre-season. Assuming Gore has a good camp, team may feel easier to sneak Johnson onto PS too. Johnson played well last year and personally I was happy that the Bills re-signed him. But just feel a little bit like Gore may be one of these sneaky good players that somehow fell completely out of the draft, but shouldn't have. Or he could have fallen through for a good reason too, will see.

Read article in BN Jones has 13 interceptions — five of which he returned for touchdowns?? That's more than many CB's ever have for TD's See Claypool went to ND, he must not be dumb, just not always motivated it seems? As was pointed out, he hasn't ever had as good a QB situation as now so will see.

Was reading article in todays BN that listed stats from Beanes draft class. I found it kind of interesting as in the past Beane often took people based on potential upside. Edmunds and Knox are a couple of names that come to mind. Even Allen is true of. Seems like his picks are more what can he do for me right away which likely reflects the fact that years back they more were drafting for long term future, but that has changed. The average age of the first nine picks was 22.8 years (oldest of any Beane class) and the average games of college experience was 46.4 (most of any Beane class); the six-year averages entering this draft were 22.0 years and 39.8 games. UCF offensive tackle Tylan Grable’s 58 college games are the most of any Beane pick.

See you left out RB, I think it may be a battle between Johnson and Gore Jr with Gore winning the battle based on pedigree.

Would think there's also a succession plan as to who would be Kim's care taker and guardian if something happened to Terry. Maybe one of their other kids I'd assume. Also could be why Laura is taking a bigger role with Bills as at least one of the others could be busy with Kim. Hopefully Laura gets along very well with the 3 half siblings.

The only thing that I could see different is they wait till around early Oct and see how Brown is looking. If playing at the same level as he was in 2023, they attempt to sign him to a 3 to 4 year deal then. Whether Brown agrees who knows? May again make a run during early off season or even after FA starts for a new contract. They probably should have the money next off season to get him signed if they so choose. Think if he's really good enough to warrant transition tag, they'd extend him.

Yeah but seemed like for every one Davis would catch, he'd drop 2 more and by year end even Diggs was dropping some. Give me WR who can consistently catch the ball 15 to 20 yards downfield and think the offense will be much better overall.

Thinking about it more, for the Bills to take a $31 mil cap hit on Diggs, things must have been much worse internally than anyone knows. And think that may mostly be due to disconnect between Brady and Diggs. Diggs wanted to be the center of the offense, Brady wanted to spread things around including running more. Considering the emergence of Kincaid and Shakir, not a bad idea to do either. Once Diggs saw that he just went through the motions at the end of last year. Beginning to think off season discussion between Diggs and the team was that Diggs wasn't going to buy into that for the coming year either so they got rid of him, figuring addition by subtraction.

In Gabe Davis rookie and 2nd year he was great at catching 20 yard sideline passes, then he seemed to have forgot how to catch the ball. Don't think you need the speed of Worthy for that, just someone with good hands which everything written about Coleman says he should excel there. Samuel can provide enough speed if/when needed. As to the point of what is the philosophy, IMO what is should be is keep the chains moving which was something the Bills were good at prior to the last season and a half. Definitely don't feel the team is misaligned with Allen as don't think the extra speed helps moving the chains nearly as much as just simply catching the ball.

If one of Josh's talents is throwing long passes, then this team is in trouble because from what I've seen that's on of the things he does worst at. 20 yard passes, maybe 25 to 30 on occasion he's good. But long passes he's almost always way long or way short. When you actually calculate the difference between Worthy's time to run 40 yards down field and say Curtis Samuel it's less than 1 yard In other words when Worthy is down field 40 yards Samuel would be just beyond 39 yards. So do you actually believe that little difference is going to keep a defense honest or not?? If Samuel can't keep the defense honest, doubt someone as fast as Worthy would either. Add to that Allen is all over the map on deep throws.

The OP wasn't saying they are great players, his point was he filled in many holes, if half turn out to be good, it's a good draft. Conversely adding a 2nd rookie WR would just hamper the development of both. Rookies need more TLC, trying to split between two would more likely end up at the end of the year with not knowing what the team has in either.

As has been stated by others the success rate of long passes is fairly low to start with. I can recall the past year long passes by Allen that were both 5 yards over thrown and just as many under thrown. The margin of error on long passes is just small, too many things can go wrong then add the weather on top of it all. Maybe a QB like Tua needs to stretch the field as he doesn't have the arm strength to thread the needle and the needed fastball on a 20 yard completion, but Allen does. I can recall in Gabe Davis rookie year and 2nd year, Allen throwing sideline completions to him on a regular basis, but for whatever reason by his 3rd season, they became drops. That's what we need back again the 20 yard completions, if you complete one long pass every other week on average, you're doing good.

Well at least you're sitting in first class. No where else do you get actual silverware! It can't be that bad!

Sounds like a real: Cut off my nose to spite my face mentality! In the first ten minutes, many in the media were shocked, but also many articles stated once you actually think about it, it was very good move by the Bills, They got who they wanted and got extra picks.

Yes but you're comparing what the Bills did against what I'd label a semi professional and who also does it for a living. I wouldn't be shocked if Kiper or McShay have a staff themselves and even if they don't the amount of time they invest in this is likely as much as many scouts do. It is their full time profession and have doors opened for them to gather info that very likely no poster here come close to. So the fact that Kiper of McShay can do better doesn't do much of anything to prove that posters here can even come close to being as good.

Remember too, fan is short for fanatic, so consider then who you're dealing with. Many people here wanted Beane to double down on Franklyn, he's an idiot for not taking him, but 31 other GM's did the same 3 times before Denver finally took him. I do find it interesting how every year certain players forecast to be picked high, drop and often keep dropping. All 32 teams for some reason know the same thing and value him equally except the fans and media. The classic this weekend to me was how all the other GM's are trading up, but Beane is trading down, what's he thinking, the moron. News flash, for every GM that trades up there has to be another trading down.

Patriots can dress an extra player.

So now ask how many long passes are exactly on the money. I can recall Allen over throwing 5 yards and also under throwing him by 5 yards. So to me it's over rated IMO

No they aren't all moving up as for everyone that is moving up means another one is moving down. Many articles prior to draft said overall a weak draft as players stayed in school because of NIL $$ ans there was s2nd reason that I don't recall. Think it may have been 6th year of eligibility due to COVID?? So Beane feels overall weak draft so move down. I'm traveling today so not paying close attention, but thought I saw a post that he picked up a 2025 pick, so maybe he feels next year will be stronger.

So if other teams are also moving up, that means others are also moving down. So Beane is doing the same as others The only stupid thing around here are all the arm chair GMs who think they are smarter than people who do this for a living

It is interesting how for everyone who has this itch, Franklin keeps dropping. So good no one here with the itch is making the actual picks. Also kind of says for everyone who may criticize Beane for not grabbing him, no other team has been interested in him yet either.

Wasn't Diggs also a 5th rounder, obviously not drafted by Bills, but shows low picked players can still be very good

That's fine , but take him in the 5th or 6th when there's not pressure for the guy to produce as a rookie. If drafted low can probably slip him to PS or have him slip on the annual banana peel and spend the season on IR, but still learns alot.

You want another WR?? Total waste. Rookies need more time to develop working with them and trying to develop 2 rookies drafted high at same position is just a waste. They will both suffer as a result. Works great in fantasy Football, but not in the NFL

Still waiting to hear how Beane was supposed to stop KC from taking Worthy or even know KC was going to take Worthy. So maybe you're the one who needs time to go and figure that out.