Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

The level of idiocy around here is amazing. I can't believe how many times I've read this here about either Beane or McD. What the pattern seems to always be, "The Bills made a move I don't like or agree with, since he didn't do what I wanted there can't be any other reason to not agree with my brilliance so it's because of his ego" I seriously doubt any poster on this board has any idea what type of ego any of those guys really have, though IMO listening to McD speak I haven't heard much of anything come from him that makes me think he has a big ego. Beane haven' read/heard enough direct quotes, but regardless none of us have any real idea.

If Andy Reid is so smart, how come in all his years in Philly he passed on guys like Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, and Brees just to name a few off the top of my head? This goes back to the OP's point, not nearly as easy to predict as some want to think in hind sight. And lets give Mahomes more than half a season before we start sculpting his HOF bust here too.

That's the thing people who post on message boards (in particular in the off-season) are way beyond the normal fan. We take the word fan short for fanatic and it really should be fanatic on steroids. I recall years back going to a Bills game with someone else driving and he was playing music in his car on the drive there and back. MUSIC!! Fng MUSIC when the pre and post and post-post-post game shows are on! What kind of a moron would be listening to music?? But then again he doesn't post on message boards either.

I'm not sure they tried to build an offense and no one here knows the answer to that. Their strategy could be we don't have enough money for both so lets build the defense first. Long term offensive salaries are higher so does make sense to get the defense going first as once players are all off rookie contracts harder to keep all your offensive plyers as they are paid more. Seattle did that, Rams kind of did too. IMO The one miscalculation by the front office was that they were as good as they were last year which landed them a lower than expected draft slot which meant took more draft capital to move up to the top. If they had finished 8-8 where they would have drafted, likely could have kept at least one of the extra 2nd or 3rd rounders if not two. Those could hve been used on the offense, but instead are rather bare.

Leading the NCAA in receptions and finalist for the Biletnikoff award tells me he could be much better than "average" wit ha good offense around him.

I thought Kolb was 1st rounder, guess I mis-read it, the other two, I wasn't implying they were 1st rounders, realized that. My point being the OP was claiming as to how great of a talent evaluator in QB's Andy Reid is. Well a 2nd rounder on Kolb wasn't very impressive, plus the bigger point would be how many in that time frame did he pass on that were likely available when he drafted; Arron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, could have traded up a couple of picks for Big Ben just to name a couple of top names. If he was that smart, he would have easily got one of them for certain. It just goes to the point that drafting QB's is more a crap shoot than anything. 13 teams passed on Mahomes and I'm sure if the other 15 behind that pick felt Mahomes was going to look as good as he has to date, they'd have moved up too.

LOL Just to put things in perspective this same competent scouting that you're talking about, while likely not the same identical top to bottom front office and coaching staff, the guy in the middle of all that Andy Reid during his years with the Eagles drafted Kevin Kolb in the 1st round, AJ Feeley, Andy Hall and Donovan McNabb (got one right) So is he really so s smart or just got lucky. And lets give a little more time than 6 games too. Dak Prescott was looking amazing the first 10 games of his rookie year. Since then looks OK, but not great.

The one thing I do know when comparing Watson/Mahomme 2nd year against Allen's rookie yearis he already has exceeded Mahome's rookie stats and was closing in on matching Tribisky. Beyond that who know how Allen will do long term, maybe he'll be flop or maybe he'll become very good. But do know for all the supposed experts here who keep telling us how smart they are and know Allen will be a bust, neither of those two were thought anywhere as highly in last seasons draft based on where they were drafted.

Wow, that's pretty impressive that a high school coach made the playoffs last year. Maybe that means there's even hope for you.

You are right! This approach definitely was total failure, look where it got him, 9-7 and in the playoffs.

I'd think that's the type of injury that wouldn't stop a team from signing him as long as it's not expected to be long term. Wouldn't even shock me to see the Bills hold him pout this week if trying to trade him to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I agree with you on Woods and Goodwin, they are earning what they are making. Watkins don't think he's worth close to what he's being paid. Gilmore finally is having a pretty good year, maybe earning his keep. Darby agree on the rookie deal would be worth it, but they may not have drafted T Johnson this year then. I think with Watkins, they felt they couldn't re-sign him for a reasonable deal, so they moved him and got something in return. IMO Watkins would not be here this season regardless. Dareus was way over paid for his production and had suspect attitude so glad to see they moved him. Would the team be better if both still here, sure, but not likely to have happened with Watkins either way. Beane could have moved the players he wanted to get rid of more slowly spread the cap hit over two years, but they agreed to rip the band-aid off all at once and be done with it. I'm sure that was done with Pegula's blessing though admittedly he likely wasn't expecting the team to look this weak offensively either.

How many of these players today on whatever team they are on and whatever contract are worth the money they are being paid? Would the Bills be a better team if they had all these guys, certainly yes they would, but are they worth the money they are being paid? The only one I think is worth his contract would be Glenn, but he was a risk in keeping due to injury. I also think if the Bills hadn't made the playoffs last season, maybe ended the season at 7-9, they would have drafted much higher and wouldn't have needed to make the Glenn trade and still had been able to get into the top 10 or 5 if needed for the other moves they made. Or they could have still traded Glenn, but after all the other moves still had at least one 2nd or 3rd round pick left for another player. That was the problem with making the playoffs last year, they didn't draft as high as they maybe expected early on.

Probably the same people posting in the other thread questioning why coaches bring in new players to fit their scheme too and not understanding why!

Yup you're right, The fact that McD and FO wanted to hire this guy shows how clueless they truly are. Wait, wasn't it more the posters here all wanted the Bills to hire McCoy? Hard to believe as knowledgeable as all the posters here think they are.

Cleveland didn't seem to have much of any problem attracting some quality players this past off-season. As was mentioned, it all comes down to money. Also don't see the likelihood of too many off season signings anyway. Likely will go after a vet backup QB, but in the end they will sign with whoever has much interest. Maybe also a backup/#2 CB. Top WR likely to come via the draft, likely try to sign some WR depth, but at that level not hard to sign. Assuming Tellier after a year with the team is ready to move to one of the guard spots, I see the teams biggest FA need to sign the top center and/or guard, maybe to the OP's point, the team does over pay some there to get that guy(s). Use a 2nd round pick on a RT, sign some depth players too and you've solved your O-line . Teams don't need and more importantly can't afford five all pro line man. RB comes via the draft, you can get a rookie in the 3rd round who can run for 1000 yards. IMO the easiest position for a rookie to excel at is RB and the toughest may be WR as not matter how good the WR is, he still needs to get on the same page as the QB. Also feel WR needs a year of getting physically stronger to compete at the top NFL level. Defense doesn't need to fill many starting roles, so not much need to sign top level FA players there.

Some of these guys "reinvent themselves" like Fitz and make up for weak arm strength other ways like experience. So wouldn't completely count Peterman out long term. He may be another of these guys who hangs around for 10 plus years as a backup

I have been concerned about Allen getting hurt, but have to say the way he did get hurt, seemed rather unconventional in that could have happened to anyone. Most often happens to baseball pitchers where there's no contact.

Probably the same people.

It just amazes me how dumb people are who post here. Until Allen is ruled healthy Peterman will be on the active roster. Is that really that hard to figure out? They aren't going to sign some new guy even to be the backup as long as you have a guy here Peterman knows the offense.

I think letting him sit for a couple of weeks could help more than going out there and making the same mistakes repeatedly. For everyone gushing over Mahomes, he played one game last season, so sitting can work. I think the original plan was for Allen to sit, but he looked as good as the other two. That was the big problem AJM never played up to expectations.

They signed Anderson, he fills the same role as Fitz does. If they want to sit Allen, they can play anderson

#3 A guy I work with is a Clemson grad and huge fan. He commented to me back at final cut day, "Be prepared for McCloud to put a couple on the carpet!" He was right! Will be interesting to see next week, who starts at QB, if Allen isn't healthy, do they feel Anderson has learned enough to start him, and even if Allen is ready to go, who start, Allen or Anderson??

I really doubt the front office and even McD thought the team would have made the playoffs last year. If that had happened drafting at least a few slots higher, likely wouldn't have need to give up as much to have still got Allen and Edmunds. Maybe they wouldn't have needed to move Glenn, or would likely have had at least one more 2nd or 3rd round draft pick top use.

I''ll agree Allen's progress has been tough to watch and had hoped he'd look better by now. However the problem with this in today's NFL there's not enough practice time to evaluate a rookie and 2nd year guy who's still developing. You'll then have two guys and little idea if either will develop. Allan probably had some of the biggest question marks going into the draft, but also the most upside so they drafted him. He needs playing time, ideally it shouldn't have come this season, but it is. His stats this year are still better than Mahomes rookie year and over 16 games about even with Mitch T. Mahomes couldn't beat out Alex Smith last season, but now he's tearing things up. Allen's accuracy wasn't looking bad during training camp, drills, etc. Supposedly he worked with some QB whisperer who helped straightened him out and made him look serviceable But now with the real bullets flying, he doesn't have time to think and is back to all his old habits. Let him get some playing time, maybe the game starts to slow down for him and he can start to think about what he is and isn't supposed to do out there. He does have pretty brutal weapons too all around, both WR and O-line. Will time and and a better team around him help, who knows it might help, he also doesn't need to have the accuracy of a Rodgers either, just throw for 250+ yard a game and they could be a very good team. I also know that no one knows for certain it won't improve. If it doesn't likely the team won't be much better next year or the year after and they'll be drafting early again and can get their guy then. (doesa't appear to be any can't miss prospects coming out this coming draft anyway) As I stated in the beginning taking another rookie now will just give you two guys with not enough time to develop.