Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I always thought I'd seen O'Leary's beady eyes before.

But you can counter that with what other team but Buffalo can give another team the assets they'd like. Buffalo could give Indy or Giants 2 #1 picks this year, 12 and 22, plus say #65 for the 2nd or 3rd pick. No other team right now has 2 1st round picks and can come close to offering that. That may allow the Bills to give up less than other teams as they have more valuable picks.

Could also be a bluff, leak you're talking with the Colts at 3 so the Giants say we'll take the same deal and give you #2. If you don't want a QB and you have a top pick you want to get a bunch of draft picks and right now the Bills (and Cleveland )are in the best position to some team picks. Actually the Bills could start to play the Colts and Giants against eachother.

No different than back when the Bills signed Flutie, then a month or two later Rob Johnson. I always felt Flutie never would have signed here if he didn't think he would be the undisputed stater.

And no vsits with players either, just discussion with agents.

I'm not against moving up high in the draft however... Last August this current years draft class was being talked about as the best ever. Now for every article out there about someones strengths there's another questioning them. So based on how good the talent evaluators really are, not to say next years class may just as likely surprise in the positive

Oh the 3 guys taken before Mayfield, I feel they all have more risk of failing. While if Mayfield fails, it's almost more expected so kinbd of view him as having the most potential. But maybe he can be had for less??

Come back to this in 2 weeks and see which teams select whom in FA. That will simplify many things here and give a much better idea what the Bills will need to do to get the guy they want.

With getting the 3rd rounder for TT, I'm not as concerned as likely can move up to #3 and still keep one 2nd and one 3rd round pick this year for other holes. However still makes me nervous as for every "Can't Miss" pick out there in this years QB class there's also seems to be as many "Can't Make It" articles too. So who ever we give up all these picks for will be great if it works out and we do get the right guy. But history says probably 50% of this years QB picks will flame out.

Maybe I'm just forgetting, but don't ever recall this many trades before FA even starts in prior years??

I'm hesitant about giving up too much draft picks to move up. Having said that I'd probably make this trade however I think it will take more than you're showing to get up t o#2 overall, likely bot h#2's this year As was also pointed out, you trading one of our 2nd rounders, but show two people being picked. IMO cross out both those 2nd round guys as no picks there. So then this whole trade becomes too rich for me too.

And to your point: You're not building the team in one off-season, but fill the other spots first, then go for the QB next year. Hate to see them trade all the picks away for a guy (Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield) who likely has less than a 50/50 chance at success. If history tells us anything at least one of those 4 if not 2 will flame out.

People I'm sure said the same of Arron Rodgers and Tom Brady to name a couple. Rodgers was a late #1, but certainly not a talked about guy.

If we had a top 3 pick I'd definitely say pick a QB as that still leaves you with three more picks in first two rounds. The concern I have if you trade picks to move up to get that franchise guy, as the OP states you'll no longer have 8 picks and likely none other in first two rounds. I'd gladly take that trade for the next Jim Kelly and as you state fill the other spots the next season or two. But the problem is as was just stated in another post, there's a 1 in 4 chance that guy will turn out to be any good. So now you have no other picks to fill spots and in about two years will realize you still don't have a QB. Then you'll be starting all over again and blaming it all on we have a poor coaching staff, so will get rid of them too and start over there new too. I'd rather see them trade one of their 1sts to a team for an extra 2nd and next years 1st. Then could still fill spots this year and I wouldn't be as concerned next year if you trade away most of your picks to move up high as likely not nearly as many spots to fill. If you pick the wrong guy at least you still have a good strong team overall. To your point, you're not building the team in one off-season, but fill the other spots first, then go for the QB

If you feel there isn't any sure fire franchise QB's at 21, I'd be OK with moving back and doing like last year trade the #22 to a team for another a 2nd and next years 1st. That would give the Bills 5 picks in the first three rounds, enough to fill many holes. Next year then wouldn't mind trading two 1st, plus a 2nd and/or 3rd to move up to the top as then wouldn't have as many holes to fill overall. Preferably I'd try and make the trade with a team not expected to do that well next season, so lets assume the Bills again finish 9-7 and get the 21st pick, plus the 1st from a 5-11 team which would likely be around #10 Those two picks plus 2nd, 3rd could get you up pretty close to the top.

I have no idea if this guy will be great or a flop, but to be accurate you're trading a 1st and a 3rd and getting a 1st in return. To be more precise, you're trading a 3rd to move up 5 spots.

Well can just as easily say, show me the proof that Russ and Marv made the picks?

It is getting tougher to get deals than it used to be since ATT bought them out it seems. I just dumped DTV so will be looking at other options for this coming year.

One other issue you didn't even mention, assuming TT doesn't sign the tag right away,is that it also ties up the Bills from signing other FA's as this money is now committed to TT

Was there something I missed?

I'm not trying to compare against other Bill's GM's, but more against league wide. How's he compare against say Ozzie Newsome, whoever is the Steelers GM and Green Bay. Those are stable teams with same people for a long time. Even comparing to Bill Belichick would be interesting as his drafting record isn't thought to be that great for all the success the team has had. Or even to teams in the middle of the road, maybe a Detroit, Giants, etc, how'd the Bills GM's stack up against them? To me, that's more meaningful.

Seems in today's day and age of draft trades, would take much more than what the Giants gave up back then. Thought I do think post draft takes leverage away from the team moving down as you have much more limited trade partners.

I've often thought Marv was terrible, you've put numbers with it that tend to agree, but what's the average for all other GM's to compare against before I label him bad.

That only works if other teams are also requiring the same. Which implies you'd have to wait until after March 16th to sign him assuming he then finds out every other team in the league is requiring the same of him. The problem with that is I'm sure some team or teams will make offers without any injury provisions. I'd be shocked if he'd agree to something like that prior to the start of FA period, unless he truely wants to re-sign in Buffalo and no place else.

I don't think he's saying forget about QB, instead first fill the other holes, then go out and get the QB Sure as would just about every Bills fan out there. But if you look at the past 25 years or so of drafting, shows the odds are much better at getting the next Ryan Leaf. So how will you feel after going 0-13, then 2-14, only to figure out in year three that this guy is no good. So now you still have the same holes to fill and go and get another QB I won't be devastated either way if they do trade up or they don't but do realize there's alot of risk in doing it, and there's a better than even chance it doesn't work out.