Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I'm hesitant about giving up too much draft picks to move up. Having said that I'd probably make this trade however I think it will take more than you're showing to get up t o#2 overall, likely bot h#2's this year As was also pointed out, you trading one of our 2nd rounders, but show two people being picked. IMO cross out both those 2nd round guys as no picks there. So then this whole trade becomes too rich for me too.

And to your point: You're not building the team in one off-season, but fill the other spots first, then go for the QB next year. Hate to see them trade all the picks away for a guy (Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield) who likely has less than a 50/50 chance at success. If history tells us anything at least one of those 4 if not 2 will flame out.

People I'm sure said the same of Arron Rodgers and Tom Brady to name a couple. Rodgers was a late #1, but certainly not a talked about guy.

If we had a top 3 pick I'd definitely say pick a QB as that still leaves you with three more picks in first two rounds. The concern I have if you trade picks to move up to get that franchise guy, as the OP states you'll no longer have 8 picks and likely none other in first two rounds. I'd gladly take that trade for the next Jim Kelly and as you state fill the other spots the next season or two. But the problem is as was just stated in another post, there's a 1 in 4 chance that guy will turn out to be any good. So now you have no other picks to fill spots and in about two years will realize you still don't have a QB. Then you'll be starting all over again and blaming it all on we have a poor coaching staff, so will get rid of them too and start over there new too. I'd rather see them trade one of their 1sts to a team for an extra 2nd and next years 1st. Then could still fill spots this year and I wouldn't be as concerned next year if you trade away most of your picks to move up high as likely not nearly as many spots to fill. If you pick the wrong guy at least you still have a good strong team overall. To your point, you're not building the team in one off-season, but fill the other spots first, then go for the QB

If you feel there isn't any sure fire franchise QB's at 21, I'd be OK with moving back and doing like last year trade the #22 to a team for another a 2nd and next years 1st. That would give the Bills 5 picks in the first three rounds, enough to fill many holes. Next year then wouldn't mind trading two 1st, plus a 2nd and/or 3rd to move up to the top as then wouldn't have as many holes to fill overall. Preferably I'd try and make the trade with a team not expected to do that well next season, so lets assume the Bills again finish 9-7 and get the 21st pick, plus the 1st from a 5-11 team which would likely be around #10 Those two picks plus 2nd, 3rd could get you up pretty close to the top.

I have no idea if this guy will be great or a flop, but to be accurate you're trading a 1st and a 3rd and getting a 1st in return. To be more precise, you're trading a 3rd to move up 5 spots.

Well can just as easily say, show me the proof that Russ and Marv made the picks?

It is getting tougher to get deals than it used to be since ATT bought them out it seems. I just dumped DTV so will be looking at other options for this coming year.

One other issue you didn't even mention, assuming TT doesn't sign the tag right away,is that it also ties up the Bills from signing other FA's as this money is now committed to TT

Was there something I missed?

I'm not trying to compare against other Bill's GM's, but more against league wide. How's he compare against say Ozzie Newsome, whoever is the Steelers GM and Green Bay. Those are stable teams with same people for a long time. Even comparing to Bill Belichick would be interesting as his drafting record isn't thought to be that great for all the success the team has had. Or even to teams in the middle of the road, maybe a Detroit, Giants, etc, how'd the Bills GM's stack up against them? To me, that's more meaningful.

Seems in today's day and age of draft trades, would take much more than what the Giants gave up back then. Thought I do think post draft takes leverage away from the team moving down as you have much more limited trade partners.

I've often thought Marv was terrible, you've put numbers with it that tend to agree, but what's the average for all other GM's to compare against before I label him bad.

That only works if other teams are also requiring the same. Which implies you'd have to wait until after March 16th to sign him assuming he then finds out every other team in the league is requiring the same of him. The problem with that is I'm sure some team or teams will make offers without any injury provisions. I'd be shocked if he'd agree to something like that prior to the start of FA period, unless he truely wants to re-sign in Buffalo and no place else.

I don't think he's saying forget about QB, instead first fill the other holes, then go out and get the QB Sure as would just about every Bills fan out there. But if you look at the past 25 years or so of drafting, shows the odds are much better at getting the next Ryan Leaf. So how will you feel after going 0-13, then 2-14, only to figure out in year three that this guy is no good. So now you still have the same holes to fill and go and get another QB I won't be devastated either way if they do trade up or they don't but do realize there's alot of risk in doing it, and there's a better than even chance it doesn't work out.

See he has his Doctorate from Nebraska, where did Carpenter has his Doctorate from, can't recall??

Got me thinking, you often here of the HC serving as the OC, for whatever reason can't recall nearly as many HC serving as DC? Anyone recall it happening?

What I got from this, over a 16 year period, there were only 18 QB's drafted that were labeled as a success, less than one a year and 44 failures. Granted as was pointed out, your scale is rather subjective, but someone else isn't likely going to end up with either only 5 or 35 either. It's not going to change a whole lot, overall your selection is pretty good, certainly passes the smell test. So for all those screaming we need to trade up to get the franchise guy, the odds of success isn't very high!

Hide the Woolite! My other favorite skit from the movie was the part "What happens during erection", think it was Tony Randell who played the mission commander. "Damm it who pressed the frown button!"

And also Ertz not falling down at the 1 yard line. His extending the ball for the TD could have cost them if ruled incomplete. with a 1st and goal, could have ran it down to around 15 seconds, then kick the potential winning field goal.

Ever watch the movie "Everything you ant to know about sex, but were afraid to ask" Just sayin!

Nah!! BB explained to him exactly what to say and do to prevent that from happening. After all, who else has any experience in this sort of thing but him. He'll teach him how to do it and even avoid losing draft picks.

Last year for the first time Miami made the playoffs, along with the "everybody gets one" Thursday night game, they also had one Sunday night game, one Monday night game, plus a 9:30 AM game from London, 4 games with national attention.

Most of the players the Bills have let go or traded were more likely gone for off field issues. What no one knows is what Cordy Glenn has or hasn't done off the field which no one outside the locker room has any idea about. He seems like a nice guy and everything, haven't heard anything about any issues, but it's also possible the Bills felt CG could have played this year but he didn't and that may have turned the team off. Obviously myself or no one knows if there's anything going on behind the scenes, but all this talk of not moving him for anything less than two 2md rounders, if he does go for low return value, could be due to off field stuff going on.

I do think this is a big factor. IMO there are maybe 1/2 dozen QB's that are really worth the money they are paid, Brady being one of them. Look at Seattle, they won on Wilson's rookie contract, once he signed a big deal that ate up to much of the cap, (and others on the roster too) they've struggled. If you can win with a cheap guy, you're way ahead. My hope the beginning of the season was that TT would play well enough to keep around on a cheap contract and would leave enough $$ and draft picks to put a real strong team around him. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out and while his % of cap hit is real good, he just can't play at a starting QB level in the NFL.