Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Yeah, I suppose the starter part does make it rather unique.

I'll bet you it;'s in the hundreds if not more. like someone posted above, life on the roster fringe.

He's good, certainly top 15 type good, but I don't think he's worth the money he's making. And they've had to let too many others on the roster go to afford him. And seems like every year, the team has done worse as they keep needing to dump talent around him because of cap issues, is that 100% due to his salary alone, no, but he's a part of it. You also read about the drama out there around him too, maybe that's really not on him but on Carroll? Wilson's not unique in this, there's probably 10 QB's similar who are paid much more than their play dictates. There was an article people here had a thread on a couple weeks back about some writer stated you should draft a rookie QB and once his contract is up, let him go and grab a new one as usually not worth the money they want. I wouldn't maybe go as far as that article went, but don't totally disagree with that argument either.

Completely agree he was just a figurehead, but didn't view him at all as a scapegoat as everyone around knew Rex was the brains or lack there of behind the defense. Someone pointed out one instance of Rex maybe throwing Thurman under the bus, I didn't recall that one, but overall don't recall Rex ever bad mouthing Thurman, seemedeveryone was happy with him beign the figurehead

Except he didn't get demoted, he was still the DC and don't recall Rex Thurman in anyway or blaming him for anything. So if he wasn't demoted and never blamed for anything by Rex or most others in the press (everyone knew Rex was in charge) how exactly was he the scapegoat?

I agree that he was DC in name only, but woundn't call him the scapegoat as everyone knew Rex and the 2nd year Rob were running the D. For the most part don't recall hearing anyone ever try and blame Thruman, everyone blamed the Ryan boys for everything..

And gone down hill ever since. He's a great example of the second tier "franchise QB" which I define as decent QB's had 1 or 2 very good years, get paid top franchise $$ once their rookie contract is over, but once they're paid that amount, not enough money left to field a top level team around them. Some QB's Rodgers, Fauve, Brady Manning, Brees are good enough that they can take decent talent around them and still keep the team at the top level. But guys like Wilson, Newton, Flacco, Daulton, etc don't have enough talent for the money they earn.

That's my thinking too, Peterman will stay on the roster until Anderson knows the offense and/or some short term 2 to 3 week injuries hit forcing the Bills to make a move then he likely will get cut. Can't see the Bills having three QB's active either on game day roster.

Well no, according to Takanka's thinking, the Bills signed Hyde thinking he was just going to be an average signing. But they screwed up and now discovered he's actually pretty good, so they will get rid of him!

Speaking of which did Washington get picked up by anyone?

Peterman played well in the pre-season too. While you may think he should be given a change the coaches who actually see him play apparently don't see it the same way as you do. And they actually are seeing him every day too, amazing that they don't see it the same way as someone who doesn't ever see him practice.

No we cut Jack Nickelson's grandson.

Will agree there, that is a problem!

Just hope defenses start figuring this out and double and triple teaming Ridley! Says a guy who has Julio on his fantasy team.

Well I didn't literally mean 20 pounds but you got the idea! No but convert 20 pounds of weight/fat into 20 pounds of muscle. Basically an off-season year of conditioning and year of gaining strength.

I also think an off season of adding about 20 pounds of muscle will make a huge difference too. You hear that all the time about rookies, they come in their first season too weak. It's even more compounded here as he's only 20 years old.

Completely agree with this. His problem was he loved every player way too much and would pay them whatever they wanted. In fairness the cap was still a fairly new thing, but he didn't handle it well at all.

You are completely correct, this is 100% on Beane. I don't care if he was still working for the Panthers, this is all his fault!!

T white, is a 1st round rookie contract, but think he's still exceeding IMO

Well he did start in Rochester, and do recall people saying he'd be on ESPN soon which never happened. Did he choose to stay because he never got a good offer. I haven't listened to him in probably 15 years as not on any local radio for me, but he seemed to be arrogant with all callers unless they 100% agreed with him.

I can recall back in the early 90's when he first arrived on WHAM in Rochester, people were predicting big things for him, ESPN, etc. which never happened. So now he's just mad at the word and he blames all the callers for his failure to advance.

I don't care how good or bad Allen turns out to be, baring the unlikely you're going to give the 7th overall pick two plus full seasons. Maybe by Nov 2020 if there's no improvement in his play, you'd bench him and consider moving on, though in most cases you change OC's first as the thinking is typically that was the problem. So how much do you think this a rookie will learn sitting on the bench for two seasons potentially learning from a person who turns out to be no good. I think they will bring in a vet backup for next season. Drafting a rookie in the 2nd or 3rd round, plus Allen, and a vet, you're now forced to take up 3 roster spots on a position that may only see the starter ever play all season. So to sum it up terrible idea!

You could make that statement about the starting QB for every team in the league and you'd be right more than you'd be wrong. You may be right about Allen, the odds are in your favor, but the one thing I do know for certain is you have absolutely no idea yourself whether he will work out to be great or not, but you think you know more than people who do this for a living and the odds are in your favor of being correct.

Put a better more consistent pass rush in front of them and don't think it's a stretch to be considered one of the best. The Bill's VB's are also very young, could see more improvement there.

I'd be really shocked to hear that was the case, however I think these days with all the computer analysis and other data available today, it's much easier to separate a players success out from a teams success. Back then it was more blurry so they got sucked into thinking the player had more to do with it than he really did. Kelly was in the USFL for was it 2 or 3 seasons, and Marino didn't start the first few games so trying to make anykind of meaningful argument after 3 weeks is a complete waste of time.