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Mario Williams is a DE, he may not be a tackle; but he's the best pass-rusher this year. Which is something we desperately need. The Jets would love to have Reggie. But if they stay put, they'll try and move down. If (or when) they can't, they'll get the Brick and address RB in FA or in the 2nd. In my mock, you'll notice that my 2nd 1st rounder is an OL (Gilles) and in the 3rd I have Gabe Watson (a DT), to go along with Williams (DE).

I was sitting here thinking of different things about this draft. 1.) What if we had lost to Cincinnati and gotten that 3rd selection instead of Tennessee? It would be Buffalo that everyone would be talking about when it comes to Vince Young. How divided would this board be? 2.) With the New York Giants openly expressing their interest in Nate Clements, do we whore him off to them for their late (most likely 23) 1st rounder? 3.) With McGahee's lack of Marv's "character" and coming off a poor season, what would you guys think if we drafted a RB in the first day? Say Laurence Maroney were to fall to Round 2 (with Bush, Williams, White, Maurice Drew, Brian Callhoun, and maybe Michael Bush coming out). Or if Ngata, Ferguson, Williams, and Hawk were all gone, but DeAngelo Williams and/or Lendale White was there while we still had another late 1st for Nate to grab Max-Jean Gilles along with a high 2nd and two (possibly 3) 3rd's. I think this is a very real possibility. McGahee's contract will be up after 2007 and will most likely be gone after (or even before) that. I know people would think i'm crazy, but the thought of DeAngelo Williams or Lendale White in Bills colors excites me to no end! Although Maroney, Drew, Callhoun, or Bush in the 2nd/3rd is more feasible. 4.) With the uncertainty surrounding our QB's, if Omar Jacobs is around for our 2nd pick; do we take him? He's a guy who before this year where he was injury-plagued, was pegged as a high-1st pick. He's a guy that wil need some time and could be something REAL special. With him behind Losman and Holcomb, there wouldn't be much pressure on us to push Jacobs out. He could develop and sit in the wings if Losman isn't the guy. 5.) If Devin Hester is available in the 3rd (which many think he will), what would you guys think if the Bills took him? He's an explosive playmaker who is very raw. He's a CB who also play's WR and is a special teams ace with great speed. There will probably be a better CB available at that time to come in right now. But Hester is a project that has more upside than whomever will be available. With McGee and whomever replaces Clements (i'm crossing my fingers that we'll be able to steal restricted Ricky Manning Jr. away from Carolina), along with Greer, and Eric King; nothing more than 4th CB is needed from him right now. And with all this being said, here's my mock for the Bills on Day 1 (including how I think the top 8 will go): Houston - Reggie Bush New Orleans - Matt Leinart Tennessee - Vince Young New York - D'Brickashaw Ferguson Green Bay - Lendale White Oakland - Haloti Ngata San Francisco - A.J. Hawk Buffalo - Mario Williams 1.) Mario Williams 1.) Max-Jean Gilles (from New York) 2.) Omar Jacobs 3.) Gabe Watson (from Tennessee) 3.) Maurice Drew 3.) Devin Hester (Comp. for Pat Williams)

1.) Houston - Reggie Bush 2.) New Orleans - Matt Leinart 3.) Tennessee - D'Brickashaw Ferguson (Curveball) 4.) New York Jets - D'Angelo Williams (CP is healthy again and they acquire Philip Rivers from San Diego for their 2nd and future consideration) The Green Bay Packers have traded the 5th pick overall to the Buffalo Bills in exchange for the 8th pick overall, their 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick (acquired via comp. for Pat Williams). The Buffalo Bills select Vince Young, QB Texas. Later in the day...... With the 23rd pick acquired by the New York Giants in exchange for CB Nate Clements, the Buffalo Bills select Max-Jean Gilles, OG Georgia Later still...... With the 3rd round pick acquired by the Titans in exchange for RB Travis Henry, the Buffalo Bills select Gabe Watson, DT Michigan Four picks later...... The Buffalo Bills select Will Blackmon, CB Boston College

Vick in the top 10? He could have been a 2nd round pick if he was lucky before all this, now he probably won't even be drafted.

"Flame away" is code for "I know what i'm about to say isn't popular and will most likely be a lightning-rod for a-hole's like you, but it's my belief and I don't care".

I'm just looking to be a lightning rod for flame posts after my Vince post earlier. But I feel this is the truth. We don't know what we have in J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb is just not the answer long-term. He's arguably the best backup in the league, but asking for much more out of him is pushing it. You're all right, it's too early to give up on J.P. Losman. But the last thing we need right now is to tank this season too. If Marv decides that Losman isn't progressing and/or he's not the guy for Buffalo, we have Holcomb and we're back to square one; waiting on a QB in the 2007 draft. But with Marcus Vick, he's f-cked up his situation so bad that he won't be picked until mid-2nd at the ABSOLUTE highest (most places say he can only hope to be picked in the 3rd). He's not going to be a starting QB anywhere. The best he can hope for is a team to take a chance on him that has uncertainties at QB so that MAYBE he can get some playing time. This is perfect for Buffalo (and for Vick). We could draft a guy in most likely a 3rd that has 1st round talent. But since you picked him in the 3rd, nothing's expected and it won't cost you a lot of money. If we were to trade Nate for a 2nd, get a Comp pick for Pat Williams (like a 4th), and have our 3rd for Trav; it would be a risk we could afford. Even if we didn't trade Nate (only if we can't resign him), we should still get a comp for Pat. Especially since Denver got three 3rd's for losing 3 bum DT's last year. He has some MAJOR character concerns, this is true. But so did a lot of players under Marv's wing. I could see Marv taking a chance on him if he's apologetic (even if it's fake) and Levy thinks he can change him. In the long run, talent-wise; he's just too good to pass on with a 3rd and the fit is glove-like. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But the upside far outweighs the downside in my opinion. Oh yeah...... flame away!

What everyone seems to be missing is that I feel we can (or could rather) strengthen our O-Line and get an upgrade at QB. I'm not saying draft Vince Young and we're set. No, not by a long-shot. I'm saying draft Vince Young, get someone like Max-Jean Giles in the 2nd, and a DT (or 2) in the 3rd (maybe Gabe Watson will be there, if not we could easily move from 3 to 2). Sign Brantley and/or Hutchinson and do some shifting. Keep Sam Adams and try to sign Grady Jackson.

Vince Young. Now i'm going to be flamed on two different threads about the same thing

Yes, we need to address the line. But I don't think that's going to happen with the #8 pick. I think that's going to happen with FA. Guys like LeCharles Brantley and/or Steve Hutchinson. I think it will happen with our 2nd pick (or picks depending on Clements and how many 3rd's we have and whether or not we want to trade up) with someone like Max-Jean Gilles, Davin Joseph, Daryn Colledge, Jeremy Trueblood, or maybe even Jonathan Scott (as Ferguson, Justice, Winston, and McNeill all will go before he does). And J.P. got better with every game? Did you see him in the Chiefs game and then the Carolina game after that? He has the potential to have a good game, then he get's cocky and falls on his face. Even he has admitted that. It's something that just hasn't been able to be fixed his entire life. That was his problem coming out of Tulane. He was never spectacular in college. He was journeyman and expected to be a 2nd round pick. But then GB got a hard-on for him and we had to jump in front of them.

Do I think J.P. Losman is a bust? No, it's too early to tell. But here's what I do think; I think Mularkey has no faith in him. I think the entire team has no faith in him. I also think that Losman has played significantly worse than most "young QB's" that just need a little experience. Talk around the media and the league is that the kid just doesn't have it mechanically. He plays great when everything's going well, but so do most NFL QB's. He just doesn't make things happen and he's no leader. Might he be a good QB someday? Maybe. But do I think Vince Young would be an upgrade? Most definitely. Right now, we don't know if we have a starting QB on this team. So why not? Again, Ngata is not a good choice and their isn't an OL or DT worth taking at 8.

I agree with you whole-heartidly. Our priority is with the trenches. But I feel that should be addressed in free agency and in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. There are a lot of DT's that will be there in Round 2 who will be quality. As well as Max-Jean Gilles perhaps on the OL. OL and DT at #8 is a stretch for anyone besides D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

Am I the only one who was watching the Rose Bowl angry at our playmaker McGee? Had we just lost the Bengals game like we should have, our QB situation could have been answered by Vince Young or Matt Leinart with our #3 overall pick. Yes, either one of them could be "busts". But so could anyone else we pick. But since we won that meaningless game, we'll pick 8th and draft someone on the OL or DL that probably won't make much of an impact right away. Tired of the sexy pick? I'm sure you are. But with Losman and Holcomb, it's actually needed for once. After the Rose Bowl, i'd do almost anything for Vince Young to be wearing a Bills uni next year. Flame me if you want, but I stand by it.

As long as Modrak is here, it's going to be the same ****. All one has to do is go to bb.com, go to the multimedia section, click on "Bills T.V. Network", and watch the selection entitled "2004 Draft: Part 2". You'll see a INVOLVED Ralph Wilson sitting next to TD as they draft J.P. Losman as well as Modrak hosting the bit.

Every single mock draft I see has us picking Haolti Ngata (with the exception of the people in drug induced stupers who have us picking D'Brickashaw at 8). I've seen Ngata play on a number of occasions and while he is decent, I think he's greatly overrated. I don't think he's worth taking at 8. I'd like to see us take a DT like Gabe Watson or Jesse Mahloena (sp?) in Round 2 while trying to keep Sam Adams and signing someone like Grady Jackson. I'd honestly like to see us try and move up to grab Ferguson, Mario Williams, A.J. Hawk, Mathias Kiwinuka, or Vince Young (GASP! I said it!). If only we would have lost to Cinci

I don't know who to believe. ESPN and WGR was reporting it didn't look good for Mularkey. But now Kilgore (seriously, Kilgore?) is saying everything's all peachy keen?

That's right! On the inside page of the Sports cover of the D&C, there's a report stating that former Super Bowl MVP and Washington Redskin's QB Mark Rypien has signed a one-game deal with the new Rochester Raiders football team. I can't wait! I'm gonna be there in the bingo hall..... er! arena front row in my Rypien Rochester jersey screaming my head off!

No, it wouldn't. Here's my scenario to land Bush and the odds of this happening are 1,000,000,000 to 1: 1.) Franchise Nate and trade him for a LATE 1st. 2.) Trade Willis for a 2nd (and that's pushing it). Then our draft would look like this: 1.) (#8) 1.) (LATE for Nate) 2.) 2.) (For Willis) 3.) (For Travis) 3.) 3.) (Comp. for Pat Williams.... maybe) From there we'd have to trade a LOT to convince Houston to go from #1 to #8. The trade would have to be something like this: The #8 pick overall Our other LATE 1st for Nate A 2nd A 3rd Our 1st in 2007 Now the question remains, which member of the board reading this would want to do that? Mind you, we'd still have a pretty normal looking draft: 1.) Reggie Bush 2.) 3.) 3.) (MAYBE) 4.) 5.) 6.) 7.)

I've been getting flamed for a while now about wanting to see Bush in Buffalo. It could have happened too.... But not after we won the Cinci game. We would have needed to lose against Cinci AND the Jets and packaged a lot to get from 3-1. In 2004, the Giants had to trade the 4th pick (Philip Rivers), their 2nd pick, their 5th pick, and their 1st rounder in 2005 to get Manning. It's going to cost at least that to get Bush. McGahee would get us at BEST a low-1st or a high-2nd. The Texans don't need a RB. They have Domanick Davis, David Carr, Andre Johnson, and Dunta Robinson. They need EVERYTHING else. The thing is Reggie Bush is just too good to pass on. If they're trading away their pick, they aren't doing it for a RB. They'd trade down to pick up more picks and draft D'Brickashaw Ferguson. The Brick won't be there for our pick, so they wouldn't trade to us.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/draftorder.html How do you figure?

But if TD is gone, Mularkey isn't safe. If Ralph hands over the reigns to someone new, do you think he's going to step up and tell the GM that he HAS to keep Mularkey? A new GM probably wants to bring in their own coach, not the one left over from the previous regime.

One HUGE difference though..... Trent Dilfer didn't have to do anything because he had one of the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL backing his offense up. We don't. We don't even have a mediocre defense.

Seriously folks. I don't know how many "Holcombites" there are on this board that are going to flame this, but it's the truth. If J.P. Losman can't beat out Kelly Holcomb and he's so bad that Mularkey doesn't want to start him in a meaningless game, then we need to get another QB. Kelly Holcomb is a solid backup. He had MONSTER games in Cleveland as well. But he's just far too inconsistent to be a full-time starter. Now in what fashion should we get another QB remains the question. Should we keep Holcomb and J.P. and bring in someone like Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsay, or Kyle Boller (EDIT: He might be kept after his solid outings the past couple games) to battle hoping that one of them just needs a change of scenery? Should we lose the Jets game and move up a couple spots to grab Matt Leinart or Vince Young as the new savior? Or maybe even work a trade with San Diego to get Philip Rivers in here? All in all, if we go into 2006 with Kelly Holcomb as the starting QB; we're not going to the playoffs. If we do, we're not going far. He's not the future of this team and I question whether or not he can be the present. It's obvious we have to rebuild this team from the ground up. Holcomb is not someone to build a new team around. If J.P.'s not the answer, we need to find someone who is.

That's why i'm against picking one in the first. I think we should wait until the 2nd round and use our 1st on the best available, given need. ..... and i'm 100% with you on the signing of Grady Jackson and drafting someone like Gabe Watson in the 2nd.

If we lose at the Jets (which is 50/50 in my eyes), we're looking at more like 3-5 instead of 8. But to answer your question, we're looking good. I think we'll get a 3rd round compensatory for Big Pat and Jonas. I think the league learned their lesson when they gave out 3 #3's for 3 crappy Bronco's players lost in FA, so we won't get much more than 1 3rd. Then of course we still have the Tennessee 3rd for Trav (which is shaping to be a high pick). With any luck we'll be able to get a 2nd for Nate if we can't resign him. I think the people that are saying we could get a 1st for him are being kind of unrealistic after this year's performance. But if we did get a 2nd, we'd be looking at something like this ( (#-#) = Somewhere Between ): 1.) (3-8) 2.) (35-40) 2.) (?) (For Nate) 3.) (67-72) 3.) (68-72) (For Trav) 3.) (?) (Comp. for Pat and Jonas) 4.) (99-104) 5.) (So on 6.) and 7.) so forth) For a look at a sure thing as to what we have at this moment, just take out the Nate and Pat thing (even though we should get a comp pick for Pat, there's just no telling where at this point). I think that whomever steps into the GM spot after Donahoe is going to be in a DREAM draft position. With the picks that we will most likely have and with the pure amount of them, there isn't a player in the draft that we couldn't get if we wanted them.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/draftorder.html We are currently dead even with the Cardinals battling over the 6th position. This week, the Saints are playing the Lions at "home". If the Saints win, they'll be tied with us. Their strength of schedule is better than us and they beat us earlier in the year, so that would help us climb after our inevitable loss to Cinci on the road. If they lose, then the Lions (4-10) will have no chance to tie with us or jump ahead if we lose out. New England having already clinched the division and a playoff spot could go down in New York. Especially if they rest some players. Remember what happened to them against Miami around this time on Monday night? And a small update regarding DT's in the draft for people who really want one; Brodrick Bunkley is climbing the charts. The DT from Florida State continues to turn heads and many have him ranked #1 or #2 in the draft. Haolti Ngata hasn't declared for the draft yet and Gabe Watson is being forgotten these days behind Ngata, Bunkley, Claude Wroten, and Roderique Wright. He may be able to be picked up in the 2nd. But of course, it's still early!