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There would be no comp picks coming our way next year even if we hadn't signed Moore. The only player we lost that could be compensated was Mack Hollins. That was cancelled out five times over by any one of Bosa, Palmer, Hoecht, Ogunjobi, or White. Teams could sign Amari Cooper, Von Miller, and Rasul Douglas between now and the time the Comp clock is up. We still wouldn't get anything.

Which would be hilarious since the Browns locked him in on the tender to 3.43 😄

Has Keon ever taken a bad injury in Football before? Honestly asking bc I have no idea. He was showing development and getting better as the season progressed. Then that Jordan Poyer hit happened. And that was a nasty hit to take. Understandably knocked him loopy and messed up his wrist. He wasn't listed as having a concussion, just the wrist, but i'd be very surprised if he didn't take a head injury from that shot. When he came back, he didn't look like the same player. Which Beane famously called him out for: It makes me wonder if maybe there was a mental thing going on with getting smashed that hard? I hope that's not the case and i'm reaching here. Could be explained simply by his wrist still bothering him. But it is slighly concerning that he took one of the nastiest hits i've ever seen, was gone for a long time bc of it, and when he returned he played with less "physicality". But maybe that's just Trent Edwards trauma on my part.

Kind of, but it's really not that big of a deal. It just locks in a compensatory value for them and gives him a hard deadline of July 22nd to sign with another team or else play for them. It's essentially them saying "we have a 3.43m offer that we'd sign him to". If he signs elsewhere for less before 7/22, they're compensated at the value of 3.43m. He has another 3 months to decide whether he wants to play for them or play for someone else. And i'd doubt things would drag out another 3 months even if he wasn't given that tag.

What do you mean? We easily have room for everyone. We carried 11 on the DL - 5 DE's (Groot, AJE, Miller, Smoot, and Solomon) and 6 DT's (Oliver, Jones, Johnson, Carter, Phillips, Jefferson) last season. Right now we stand at 10 on the DL - 5 DE's (Groot, Bosa, AJE, Jackson, and Solomon) and 5 DT's (Oliver, Jones, Sanders, Walker, and Carter). When Hoecht and Ogunjobi return, it will be Week 7. There could, and very likely will be, injuries among the team that could make room. There could even be injuries along the DL itself that could make room (and those injuries would make us even more short handed without Hoecht/Ogunjobi and cutting/trading guys before having them). They could even value carrying 11 (like we did last season) or even 12 over depth at another position. Worry about making room then. In the meantime, be as deep and skilled as possible amongst all spots on the line. Especially with how often we rotate. And cover yourself for injuries that could come before they return. Especially when Bosa is historically a walking injury waiting to happen.

I don't think you're going to see anyone Cut or Traded, before Week 7. Even then, it will only come if Landon Jackson is ahead of schedule at DE and/or Deone Walker is ahead of schedule at 1T AND everyone stays healthy through the first 6 weeks. We keep 5-6 DE's (last year we ended at 5) and 5-6 DT's (last year we ended at 6). Right now for Week 1 - we have 5 of each. And I'd pretty much lock all of them in for now. As we're pretty much at the minimum we carry for each, so there's no need to cut anyone. DE: Greg Rousseau Joey Bosa AJ Epenesa Landon Jackson Javon Solomon DT: Ed Oliver Daquan Jones TJ Sanders Deone Walker DeWayne Carter Improving the D-Line meant improving the rotation. We rotate guys along the line heavily in our scheme. So having a strong 4 at each helps that. Having someone in there along the line at all times that is strong means the Line stays strong and fresh at all times. If you trade Epenesa before Hoecht returns, then you're relying on Jackson to essentially start, as Bosa isn't taking more than 50% of snaps (likely less). That's a lot to ask of a 3rd Round Rookie that hasn't played a down in the NFL yet. And God forbid there's an injury, you're in an even worse place. And moving on from Jones would have us starting a 4th Round Rookie, that again hasn't played a down of NFL Football and has a lot of concerns. Rotating in for him would be DeWayne Carter... yick. And an injury there? I don't even know what we'd do. The good news with Jones is he won't be taking as many reps this year with Sanders occasionally sliding over to rush alongside Oliver and Walker coming in for him often as well. Long story short - I wouldn't expect anyone to be moved before Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. A lot can happen in 6 weeks. You don't want to move on from someone and then there's injuries that would have cleared room for them anyways and will leave us short handed. And there can always be injuries at other positions that will make room for them as well come Week 7. Keep everyone and have the strongest Line we can before and after Week 6. Worry about moving someone if and when the time for it is necessary. Before Week 1 would leave us short handed, relying too strongly on Rookies, and having a weaker rotation.

If anyone would, it would be me. One of my biggest weaknesses on the scouting report is being able to tell when people are sh1tposting 😄

Meant to include this with the first post, but I forgot... While I agree that we should have one of those and make a move for one of those at some point, if his words over the past two days on WGR and especially on McAfee today are any indication - I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon.

No, it's really not. Especially with the Defensive Line. Now instead of Carter coming in when Ed comes off the field, we'll have Sanders. Two strong 3T's at all times. Sanders also has positional flexibility and there will be times in Pass Rush packages where we'll put Sanders next to Oliver. We rotate heavily along the Line, so Sanders is going to get a ton of work even with Oliver there. We didn't Draft him to replace Ed this season. Maybe next season (at the absolute earliest), depending on how he performs. But it's crazy to think of doing it now, even if Ed didn't have such an expensive Dead Cap hit. We have no idea what Sanders will look like in his Rookie season and Ogunjobi is on Suspension until Week 7. Improving the rotation to a point where we have strong DE's and DT's rotating in and out at all times is the improvement for this year. And with how often we're switching guys in and out, all of them will see usage and stay fresh.

This isn't even a question. Ed Oliver isn't going anywhere this season. He carries a 32 million dollar Dead Cap hit. I'm kind of baffled with why so many posters are looking at the improvements we made on the Line and rather than thinking we've improved the rotation - are like "cool now we can trade some people away". It isn't an improvement in depth of rotation if we're just moving one person out for another.

Elgersma was just selected 18th Overall in the CFL Draft. So if neither of the workouts with us or the Packers gets him a UDFA Signing to come to Camp (as it appears he hasn't been signed and is just a Rookie Mini-Camp tryout) - he's got a fall back option.

I'm sure he knows what he's looking for and knew before the visit. He said on OneBillsLive that they've been talking back and forth pretty much all offseason. I'm sure there's some disparity or else it would just be done. But I doubt he's wanting "big money" or else Beane would have stopped talking to him a long time ago and probably wouldn't have done the visit. He may be looking for more money than the Bills think he's worth. Right now, it seems the Browns have set the price at 3.43m. He may be hoping he can get more than that. But I doubt he will. Ultimately, unless someone else jumps in the fray, it's just a matter of whether we want to match that or whether Moore will take less with incentives to play with us. If neither happens, he'll probably end up back with the Browns. Just a waiting game. Also possible that while we're waiting, it's just announced we've signed someone else and we were using Moore's visit as leverage. Like what happened when we had James Bradberry in for a visit and then we signed Tre White.

Taylor Elgersma is interesting. He's a Canadian QB from a Canadian College. Bc of that, he's one of the top Prospects in the CFL Draft that's happening right now and will probably be Drafted pretty soon.

That would be nice. But not very likely. He has guys like Rousseau and Bosa above him. He'll be sharing reps with Epenesa and Hoecht when he returns. He's unlikely to be getting the kind of reps where he hits those kind of numbers. Rousseau has yet to put up those kind of numbers as a Starter. And Jackson isn't going to be starting in his Rookie year. But I'd be here for him putting up numbers like that, obviously.

I hope this exchange and the national coverage of it doesn't make Beane change any plans he had going forward. Like he clearly set up the visit with Moore before the interview. I would hope that him taking an angry stance of "we don't need a WR" that has gone viral doesn't make him less likely to sign him or anyone else. I don't think anything keeps Beane from doing what he thinks is the right move for the team. But you never know. Ego and the risk of looking like they were wrong or hypocritical can be a helluva thing to public people in power.

While I don't disagree, we do need a 5th WR. Would you rather just have a competition between Shavers, Shenault, and Prather to decide that?

Here's a little more clarification. Though I still don't fully understand it. I mean, we haven't moved beyond the qualifying Comp Formula for lost FA's. And if this tender doesn't extend past that and simply locks in the Comp Formula at a certain number, like, what's the point?

Gotta be honest, i've never heard of this before. Looking up what it means, says this: I'm still kind of confused by the wording, honestly. I don't know if this means if we offer more and they refuse to match it we outright get him like a Transition Tag deal or if we'd have to give them something. Either way, I'm not sure we're paying more than 3.5m or jumping through any sort of hoops for Elijah Moore.

While I don't disagree that Palmer feels like a half measure, the 9.67m annually he makes in 2025 contract terms is inflated by the yearly rise in salary cap. 9.67m annually this year would have been lower than that and more in line with what one think he should have been paid even just a couple years ago. I forget who's video I was watching but they said their mind is stuck in 2021, 2022 prices. We look at numbers and think "overpay" without realizing these days, almost every contract for everyone above a journeyman level of play seems like an overpay.

There is something to this. It was not a good year to need WR. In both FA and the Trade Market and the Draft. Unless you were able to land DK Metcalf or Davante Adams (which given his age and character is a tough in itself) in the veteran market or you had a Pick in the top 23 to land a Hunter, McMillan, or Golden - I don't really see any vast upgrades you could make this offseason. It's fair to argue they should have taken a shot at someone. But I think it's also fair that given the need at the positions and value of the guys they took in Rounds 2-4 at those positions vs. who was available at WR that it was better to go with who we did at those points.

I didn't know about the passer rating. And I certainly don't claim to be an Elijah Moore expert. But how much of that is on him and how much of that is on the QB's in Cleveland last year? I just see a guy who's got 4.35 speed, just turned 25 years old, and averages 541 yards a season (538 last season). And a guy who's never had a good QB, after spending '21 and '22 with the Jets and '23 and '24 with the Browns. Though I respect your assessment. But like you said, if the option is Shavers or a guy who has produced and has blazing speed - I'd take him to at least see if he works out on Camp. If for nothing else to have someone who could stretch the field.

This isn't a surprise. I mentioned his name alongside Chark a number of times after the Draft ended. If you value speed, in a WR that's under 30, that's had production in this league - Elijah Moore and DJ Chark are pretty much the only options out there. Chark is older and had an injury riddled 2024. So them preferring Moore makes sense. Hopefully they learned from 2024 and will strike fast following the Draft instead of waiting and missing out on the top guys left (when they had to settle for MVS and Claypool).

Just listening to this now. Very uncharacteristic of him. He seems to be getting really annoyed with criticism from the local media. Also seems to be more cognisant of what's being said or at least making a point of acknowledging that he's heard what was said, more so than before. Idk if that's just him reaching a breaking point in feeling like he's doing a good job but hearing he isn't doing the job right or if there's more to it behind the scenes in the office or something going on in his personal life that's coming out here. It hasn't just been this either. He seemed to be pretty annoyed by the media questioning the Drafting of TJ Sanders when he isn't a standard 1T. On Saturday, he said: Which was kind of eyebrow raising to me at the time. Like as he was leaving on Friday night, he's telling a staff member "man, what's the deal with the media?". And then telling the media that. Combined with today and yeah, weird stuff from Beane that you don't see from him.

I tend to agree. Before Day 3, it appeared to me that 1 from the field of White, Jackson, and Ingram would have to go. After Day 3, I at first, thought that after Drafting Hancock and Strong - that it meant THREE from the field of White, Jackson, Ingram, Hancock, and Strong would have to go. However, after seeing the Bills list Hancock as a "DB" and describe him as a Nickel CB/Safety hybrid - it became clear to me that he's a Cam Lewis replacement. I mean, that's Cam's role on the team to a T. So when it comes to Hancock, I think one of two things happen. 1.) He impresses in Training Camp and the Pre-Season, in which case Lewis is outright cut - saving some cap space in the process. 2.) Hancock doesn't appear ready for PrimeTime in Year 1, in which case Lewis may stay and Hancock will be redshirted as "injured". So then that leaves the Boundary position. I think you're right that 4 will be the number (in conjunction with Taron at the Nickel, Hancock or Lewis as a Backup Nickel/Safety, and Codrington as a KR "CB"). If that number is correct and obviously Benford and Hairston aren't going to be cut - that means 2 from the field of White, Strong, Ingram, and Jackson will be cut. If you asked me what my gut says, it'll be Ingram and Jackson ending up cut. But honestly, I could see literally anyone from that list either being cut or sticking. Training Camp will decide that.