Defend Trent Now

[GripnRip]

Yeah, when the Jets don't have to defend the run, they can throw a bunch of people back to cover our receivers. That's why it looked like Trent held the ball a bit too long at times. The root in this case: lack of a decent running game to offest that sort of crap.

 

Disagree somewhat. Jets played normal personnel vast majority of the game. If we can't pass on 4db's and 3lb's in C2 or 2MU, we can't pass in the NFL. Obviously if we were able to run the ball life would be easier, but we still should have won today. The line is not going to get any better and we CANT THROW PICKS IN THE RED ZONE. If you had to pin the loss on 1 play, it was that play and it was 100% on Edwards.

[Flbillsfan#1]

Fine, Trent though is a better QB than Losman. Not to sound like I'm a homer at all, but, Trent

has been a victim of poor play by the D and O-lines, while JP was a victim of his own poor play.

Trent is a much better QB who will only improve, while JP is an OK QB, who has only gotten worse.

You are a typical Trent HYPOCRITE. Did not JP have the SAME D & O-lines?

[BuffaloBob]

Fine, Trent though is a better QB than Losman. Not to sound like I'm a homer at all, but, Trent

has been a victim of poor play by the D and O-lines, while JP was a victim of his own poor play.

Trent is a much better QB who will only improve, while JP is an OK QB, who has only gotten worse.

:w00t: :w00t:

 

I really need a laugh after a second consecutive division loss. Thank you for that!

 

So help me out a bit, exactly how is it the O and D-lines fault that Trent held the ball out there for Porter to take away from him last week? How is the lines' fault that he threw that pick six near the goal line, as he had PLENTY of time to make the right decision there? How was it the rest of the team's fault that he took those two ridiculous sacks late in the game when he had PLENTY of time to make the right decision? It wasn't his fault he didn't throw that ball away and instead took that sack for a safety and damn near fumbled it away for a TD?

 

I guarantee you that had Losman taken that sack today and fumbled, you would have been bitchin' that he has no pocket presence, or that the team just knows they can blitz him because he can't handle it. But of course Trent was merely a victim.

 

On several occasions in this game, he had plenty of time to make throws and had people open, and threw late and cost the team a chance for a completion.

 

Sorry dude, but you are hilarious!

[keepthefaith]

Fine, Trent though is a better QB than Losman. Not to sound like I'm a homer at all, but, Trent

has been a victim of poor play by the D and O-lines, while JP was a victim of his own poor play.

Trent is a much better QB who will only improve, while JP is an OK QB, who has only gotten worse.

 

Oh, please. Trent has not proved anything yet. A handful of good games is not enough to make that judgement IMO. I'll wait until the end of the season to judge him. Even then, he needs another year for us to look at.

[manateefan]

Football is a team game. Always was, always will be. Trent is part of the team and should take his fair share of the blame. But he shouldn't be the only one singled out. Everyone needs to stop being so over-dramatic!

 

It's funny that when Losman is in there it is all his fault but when Edwards plays it is a team game and the blame should be shared. Face it, Edwards has stunk up the field the last two games. Yes offensive line stuck, defense screwed up, but Edwards played like everyone says Losman plays.

[BuffaloBob]

Chief, one look at your avatar destroys any cedibility you might otherwise have. Period.

[hooski 1]

I'm not a JP supporter, I'm a Bills fan. When JP had fumbles or Int's and people defended him, everyone just accused them of making excuses for their boy. Trent, has now given away two straight division games. He is doing exactly what he did last year of having a strong first few games, and then mediocre at best. I'm sorry, but Trent has not proved anything yet.

 

Now, I know there are some "Trent can do no wrong" fans out there. So please, defend the guy who just wasted a 4-1 start to me.

 

Bills from 1-3 in last 4 games. Playoffs?!?!?!

no I think turk don't know what the hells he's calling. Turning point of the game, 3rd and 1 at the jets 15 or 20 pass to end zone over thrown and miss on 4th and 1 with the run. In adiv. game you can't take these chances on 3rd and 1 just run and get that 1 yard. Now once again we are made to look fools in front of the whole country again....... maybe they should just leave Buff. it would save us disgrace........

[The Guy]

It's the whole F*ck!ng teams fault. No pass rush, no run blocking, no pass protection, fumbles, interceptions, sloppy tackling, poor special teams play, bad coaching, and the stench of that sorry performance is still in the air.

[Force_Majeur]

Disagree somewhat. Jets played normal personnel vast majority of the game. If we can't pass on 4db's and 3lb's in C2 or 2MU, we can't pass in the NFL. Obviously if we were able to run the ball life would be easier, but we still should have won today. The line is not going to get any better and we CANT THROW PICKS IN THE RED ZONE. If you had to pin the loss on 1 play, it was that play and it was 100% on Edwards.

 

No doubt it was 100% Edwards on that play - bottom line, bad choice. To say otherwise is blindness.

 

My point is that sometimes you hold the ball a bit long because there's no one to throw to. If the Jets know that they're dropping back into coverage on almost every play, you can cheat, and make the offense look more inept than they are.

[MarkyMannn]

Give Trent an O-line that can run block and we are a good team.

 

PTR

 

Isn't that was said by the Drew lovers???

[Bill from NYC]

Wow! I find it very interesting that all of those facets of the game were not issues when JP lost games! Yet, it is virtually the same schemes, the same or better players. Now I know none of these factors existed back a few games ago when we lost the Arizona game. In that game, it was simply JP. Of course, any poor play by those other facets of the game were simply because Trent wasn't in there inspiring them to better things.

 

Wonder where all that inspiration went over the last few games?

 

JP threw for over 289 yards all of 3 times in his miserable 4 1/2 year career. He sucks, and it really is time to get over it.

 

Next topic?

[Buftex]

Trent Edwards is the best QB on the Bills roster.

[thebug]

Amazing, people are still defending JP, he must have really done something for this franchise, but Trent hasn't proven any thing yet. gottcha.

[BuffaloBob]

JP threw for over 289 yards all of 3 times in his miserable 4 1/2 year career. He sucks, and it really is time to get over it.

 

Next topic?

Oh well, that proves it then! QED!

[BuffaloBob]

Amazing, people are still defending JP, he must have really done something for this franchise, but Trent hasn't proven any thing yet. gottcha.

I realize reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, but perhaps you ought read the thread again. No one is defending JP. Those of us invoking the name of JP are simply demanding the same accountablity of Trent as was expected of JP. All of these arguments made in defense of Trent for his horrific play the past two games were just as easily made in defense of JP, and the JP haters would have none of it. So the fact that the JP haters are running to defend Trent with the same arguments now makes me laugh my ass off.

[Tcali]

Trent Edwards is the best QB on the Bills roster.

without a doubt...but its sad that he has been regressing...He should be improving.

[StupidNation]

As Sims made clear, that was going to be a pick regardless of Roscoe stumbling. The CB was all over that route.

You cannot say that unless Roscoe was up. It could have been pass int, it could have been a completion. Facts are it was Roscoe's fault.

[Heels20X6]

You cannot say that unless Roscoe was up. It could have been pass int, it could have been a completion. Facts are it was Roscoe's fault.

 

 

I see your football analysis is as intelligent as your political analysis....

[keepthefaith]

You cannot say that unless Roscoe was up. It could have been pass int, it could have been a completion. Facts are it was Roscoe's fault.

 

It was a great play by the defender.

[davefan66]

You are a typical Trent HYPOCRITE. Did not JP have the SAME D & O-lines?

 

Actually, no.

 

Thing is though, Losman sux. Trent does not. 'Nuff said.

[Force_Majeur]

It was a great play by the defender.

 

It really was a great play by the defender. He capitalized off a bad decision.

[keepthefaith]

It really was a great play by the defender. He capitalized of a bad decision.

 

Exactly.

[Robert Paulson]

I don't think it's so stupid after reading this thread, the point that Trent supporters are HYPOCRITES is dead on.

 

agreed

 

i'm over the jp/t.e. thing and fully support whoever is under center

 

that being said the edweirds really do see no wrong when it come to 5

 

let's check off some things

 

couldn't feel the blind side hit and fumbled check

thrown behind/over receivers check

threw bad picks check

lost games because of these turnovers check

can't get a play off and has to call timeout check

 

all things that 7 would be roasted over

 

now these are 'team' issues when we lose and when we win it is because of the t.e. poise

 

some of the Bills 'fans' on this board are hilarious

[Buftex]

without a doubt...but its sad that he has been regressing...He should be improving.

 

Is the team regressing, or is their identity as a good (not great) team, with some major holes, just coming into focus? I think the team is better than it was last year, and a big part of that improvement revolves around Edwards. But, it doesn't matter who is the QB, we have the same weaknesses that we have had for a number of years now:

 

1- weak offensive line play

2- inability to ever establish a running game

3- poor wr depth - after Evans, a couple of guys with some talent, but not one with all the talent to be a true #2

4- lack of pass rush

5- poor tacking

6- bad third down defense

 

What has improved?

1- QB seems to have a future as team starter

2- offensive coordinator, though not perfect, calls a good game, and has some balls

3- team is starting to develop an identity

 

Baby steps....

[Guest dog14787]

without a doubt...but its sad that he has been regressing...He should be improving.

 

TE was slammed down hard early on which may have effected his play a little. Sometimes you have to give some credit to the other team, Brett Favre is one of the best QB's thats ever played the game and the Jets are a very good football team.

 

Its not over yet and TE learns something new every week win or lose, lets not forget he only has what amounts to a little over one season of experience in the NFL. Growing pains folks and we still play these teams again, so lets hope the Colts can keep the Pats at bay and we rebound from this, 5-3's not that bad half way through the season.

[Hanoverbills]

I realize reading comprehension may not be your strong suit, but perhaps you ought read the thread again. No one is defending JP. Those of us invoking the name of JP are simply demanding the same accountablity of Trent as was expected of JP. All of these arguments made in defense of Trent for his horrific play the past two games were just as easily made in defense of JP, and the JP haters would have none of it. So the fact that the JP haters are running to defend Trent with the same arguments now makes me laugh my ass off.

Losman was blamed for everything.He was the reason the defense played bad."time posssion".He also was reason for offensive line giving up too many sacks"holding on to the ball to long".He was blamed for every loss that he started.I like both QBs.I don't blame Edwards for this lost.It was the entire team, including the coaching staff.But this is the reason why some of us defended Losman.

[keepthefaith]

Actually, no.

 

Thing is though, Losman sux. Trent does not. 'Nuff said.

 

We need ESPN to do the "Top 10 reasons you can't blame Trent Edwards".

[davefan66]

We need ESPN to do the "Top 10 reasons you can't blame Trent Edwards".

 

10. He's from Stanford

9. Poor coaching

8. O-line sux

7. D-line sux

6. No running game

5. Poor pass block

4. Poor run block

3. The Butler did it

2. Poor WR depth

 

And finally....

 

1. He's "The One"

[Bmwolf21]

On the first pick Trent threw into double coverage and underthrew Roscoe, who was stumbling when the defender caught the ball. I don't think Roscoe keeping his feet under him would have mattered one bit - it was a bad decision and a bad throw into coverage.

[Robert Paulson]

10. He's from Stanford

9. Poor coaching

8. O-line sux

7. D-line sux

6. No running game

5. Poor pass block

4. Poor run block

3. The Butler did it

2. Poor WR depth

 

And finally....

 

1. He's "The One"

 

1a it's really jp's fault

[Hanoverbills]

Well at least Edwards doesn't have to worry about being bench after two bad games in a row.That will help him grow as a starting QB.Just think if Mularky was still here.

[crackur]

support the team and not just a player

 

JP is garbage, always was and will be.......I have supported every qb we have had.........but RJ..........and I think its ridiculous to keep this crap going

 

 

get over it...........we have a starting qb......its not going to change........lets just get our sh-- together and go out there and win some games......midpoint of the season..........let's start over..........8 games left.......we just need to win more of them than lose..........we can do that.......

 

we need to get healthy though......

[Ramius]

JP threw for over 289 yards all of 3 times in his miserable 4 1/2 year career. He sucks, and it really is time to get over it.

 

Next topic?

 

No one is saying JP is better or would have won the game today.

 

We just find it funny that we've seen this exact same QB play before. When #7 played like this, it was his fault for lack of pocket presence and he was a turnover machine. When #5 plays like this, its the OL's fault, the run game's fault, etc.

 

If you cannot criticize Trent when he has 2 bad games in a row, then you are simply being myopic about your QB observations, and showing that you dont care about discussing the game, its just about bashing/defending one particular individual.

[VOR]

Wow, all those yards and 10 points to show for it. Simply amazing.

[thebug]

Wow, all those yards and 10 points to show for it. Simply amazing.

 

Pretty easy to cover guys in the red zone when they know you can't run the ball.

[VOR]

Pretty easy to cover guys in the red zone when they know you can't run the ball.

The Bills have hardly been a great rushing team. In 2005 they were ranked 20th. In 2006 they were 27th. This year they are 22nd (although that will probably drop a few spots). Last year they were 15th.

[Max]

I'm not a JP supporter, I'm a Bills fan. When JP had fumbles or Int's and people defended him, everyone just accused them of making excuses for their boy. Trent, has now given away two straight division games. He is doing exactly what he did last year of having a strong first few games, and then mediocre at best. I'm sorry, but Trent has not proved anything yet.

 

Now, I know there are some "Trent can do no wrong" fans out there. So please, defend the guy who just wasted a 4-1 start to me.

 

Bills from 1-3 in last 4 games. Playoffs?!?!?!

 

 

i agree. bench his sorry ass. He is doing exactly what people hated JP for. Atleast JP could throw a deep ball ...

[davefan66]

i agree. bench his sorry ass. He is doing exactly what people hated JP for. Atleast JP could throw a deep ball ...

 

Yep, so can Trent

[thebug]

The Bills have hardly been a great rushing team. In 2005 they were ranked 20th. In 2006 they were 27th. This year they are 22nd (although that will probably drop a few spots). Last year they were 15th.

 

30 yards........

[VOR]

30 yards........

Yep, the Bills had a lot of those (or close to it) over those years.