Corp000085 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 It hasn't been discussed on here, but what will TD's next move be? We all love to watch our failures (RJ, Bledsoe, todd collins, etc.) afterwards to see what they do or how they screw up again, and TD is no different. The guy had a pretty good football rep before he came to the bills and he was a ESPN guy too. Does he go back to the media? immediately go to another team? take some time off? leave the nfl for good? who cares?? Personally, i'd love for him to go to another team so i could watch and see if there are similarities as to what he did in buffalo and pittsburgh. Maybe the pats will pick him up. He and bill should get along great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBoston Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Would you like fries with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 He is going to star in a new reality series named "Ole' Whitey, Mean Old Son of Satan". It will be like an evil/underhanded version of Candid Camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Consultant with the Felons again. Or maybe the Pats or Jets... working out of Pittsburgh, not sure what all his responsiibilities would be, other than providing intel on the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 The guy has a real passion for college sports...I could see him fit as a Div 1-AA AD like IUP where he went to school or a lesser Div I school in the region. He is well off financially and should do something he enjoys. I think the last 5 years really wore on him...there were moments of fun -- first half of '02; last half of '04--but mostly criticism and drudgery...his instinct will be to try and prove that this failure was a fluke--but I think that's the wrong direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Does he go back to the media? immediately go to another team? take some time off? leave the nfl for good? who cares?? 557333[/snapback] Fluffer in the Rodeo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 A boat trip in Minnesota? Sounds like fun to me, just clean up after, or God forbid you use a private boat and not a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dancing with the Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dancing with the Stars 557375[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Professional Uniform Designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dancing with the Stars 557375[/snapback] muhahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I think he will re-surface somewhere, if not this year, then next, as a GM in the NFL...when rumor of his firing started swirling, nearly every NFL person (in and out of the leauge) who commented on it, precluded his statements with comments like "this guy is one of the best in the NFL." Right or wrong, he is still respected. He would be wise to go to a team with a cheap owner (like Ralph) and a losing tradition (like the Bills for roughly three quaters of their existence). The Arizona Cardinals are coming to mind...they are bound to need a new GM sooner or later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar Heel Bill Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Too young for Wal-Mart greeter. Tom Donohoe as one of the most respected GM's in NFL. What about Bill Polian. Donohoe was known for arguing with Bill Cowher over his draft choices, he ends up leaving and the STeelers are in the playoffs. How can anyone say Donohoe is respected with a 31-47 record over his 5 years as GM. Bills and Houston were the only teams not to make the playoffs over last 5 years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 How can anyone say Donohoe is respected Maybe it has something to do with the 115-77 record his teams put together in Pittsburgh? Or the 5 division titles they won? Or the 3 conference championships they played in? Or the plethora of fantastic drafts, personell decisions or great coaching hires he made? But I guess one disapointing 5-11 season is more important than all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 He'd be a natural in the league office, which would be just as good a staging area for his "next" job as his ESPN gig was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 But I guess one disapointing 5-11 season is more important than all that. 557534[/snapback] Five disappointing 31-49 seasons are, though, along with a plethora of questionable moves and decisions that unfortunately outweigh the good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 It hasn't been discussed on here, but what will TD's next move be? We all love to watch our failures (RJ, Bledsoe, todd collins, etc.) afterwards to see what they do or how they screw up again, and TD is no different. The guy had a pretty good football rep before he came to the bills and he was a ESPN guy too. Does he go back to the media? immediately go to another team? take some time off? leave the nfl for good? who cares?? Personally, i'd love for him to go to another team so i could watch and see if there are similarities as to what he did in buffalo and pittsburgh. Maybe the pats will pick him up. He and bill should get along great! 557333[/snapback] If history is an indication, he will be the GM of a Super Bowl winning team in the next 5 years. His tenure in Buffalo reminds me a ton of Bowmans. Lets face, something in the air or water in WNY makes these guys lose thier touch when they relocate to WNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Maybe it has something to do with the 115-77 record his teams put together in Pittsburgh? Or the 5 division titles they won? Or the 3 conference championships they played in? Or the plethora of fantastic drafts, personell decisions or great coaching hires he made?But I guess one disapointing 5-11 season is more important than all that. 557534[/snapback] One disappointing 5-11 season, Simon? How about 3-13? Want to give him a pass on that because he got us out of cap hell, fine. Or 8-8? That was a good year, except we were 5-3 at midpoint and imploded. Then there was 6-10, did you like that one? Or how about the 0-4 start to the 9-7 season last year and the horrible denouement against Pittsburgh, did you like that? Did you like five straight years of no playoffs after having made the playoffs in ten of the past thirteen seasons? How about being so impressed with Gregg Williams' laptop full of lists that you not only hire him, but let him hire Mike Sheppard, Jerry Gray and Danny Smith to run the three units? That worked out so well that two of them had to be fired and they had to bring in Dick LeBeau to hold the third guy's hand. Then there was the whole Kevin Gilbride fiasco. In fact, the three OCs we had during Donahoe's tenure here amounted to a steaming pile of stojan. The guy did some good things here, true. But when it comes right down to it, as he himself said, the bottom line is all that matters. The bottom line is wins and he gave us a product that averaged six fuggin wins a year for five years. It's pretty obvious why there was a power struggle in Pittsburgh between him and Cowher and it's even more obvious why he lost it. Pittsburgh's had a pretty nice run these last six years, no? Or doesn't 15-1 float your boat, Simon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Five disappointing 31-49 seasons are, though, along with a plethora of questionable moves and decisions that unfortunately outweigh the good ones. 557549[/snapback] First off you can put that 3-13 season in John Butler's lap. Donahoe did a great job cleaning up that mess quickly and then starting to stock the Bills with good talent. Second, your assertation that his bad moves outweight his good ones is specious at best. And thirdly, drop the nonsens about 5 disappointing season since at the beginning of this year almost everybody on here was singing his praises and was happy with the direction the Bills were moving. But one year in which the Bills weren't going to contend anyways is suddenly submarined by a couple subpar coordinators, a plethora of OLine injuries and a rookie QB and suddenly the GM is the devil. Whatever. Or 8-8? That was a good year, except we were 5-3 at midpoint and imploded. Then there was 6-10, did you like that one? Or how about the 0-4 start to the 9-7 season last year and the horrible denouement against Pittsburgh, did you like that? Nothing like picking out all the bad when making an assessment. That's pretty fair. How about being so impressed with Gregg Williams' laptop full of lists Gee he hired a dynamic young coordinator who was well thought of in league circles. Kind of like the Cowher hire? When he realized it wasn't going to work out, he let him go. The Bills were going to contend in those first three years anyway, so what's the big deal? He took a shot that didn't work out, but no harm was done and he corrected it w/o offering the guy a second contract and then brought in better guys. It's pretty obvious why there was a power struggle in Pittsburgh between him and Cowher and it's even more obvious why he lost it. Pittsburgh's had a pretty nice run these last six years, no? Or doesn't 15-1 float your boat, Simon? Yeah BRH, 15-1 is pretty nice. And Pittsburgh's run has been pretty nice over the last 15 years, BRH. Of course since Donahoe left Pittsburgh, the Stillers have had less personell turnover than any team in the NFL so 6 years later nearly half of their starters and the core of their team are still TD guys, BRH. Since he was "obviously" the problem after 10 succesful years, wouldn't you think that in less than 6 fuggin years that Pittsburgh might be able to improve on all his terrible work? The guy did some good things here, true. But when it comes right down to it, as he himself said, the bottom line is all that matters. The bottom line is wins and he gave us a product that averaged six fuggin wins a year for five years. No arguments there. His work hadn't been good enough or come to fruition yet. I just think that the Bills made a real mistake not giving it one more year and instead firing an historically succesful GM and replacing him with a fanfavoritefigurehead with no experience as an NFL GM. A plethora? Mike Williams is a plethora all by himself? Since August injuries have felled RTucker, KEverett, BSobieski, CVillarial, LSmith, TEuhus, MWilliams, MCampbell, and GJerman. That's 9 freaking guys from just one unit. But don't let that stop your spin machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 a plethora of OLine injuries 557564[/snapback] A plethora? Mike Williams is a plethora all by himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 First off you can put that 3-13 season in John Butler's lap. Donahoe did a great job cleaning up that mess quickly and then starting to stock the Bills with good talent.Second, your assertation that his bad moves outweight his good ones is specious at best. And thirdly, drop the nonsens about 5 disappointing season since at the beginning of this year almost everybody on here was singing his praises and was happy with the direction the Bills were moving. But one year in which the Bills weren't going to contend anyways is suddenly submarined by a couple subpar coordinators, a plethora of OLine injuries and a rookie QB and suddenly the GM is the devil. Whatever. 557564[/snapback] Good moves: -- Releasing Bills from cap jail -- Fleecing Falcons in Price trade -- Takeo -- London -- Fleecing Titans in Henry trade -- Some decent draft picks (probably better than NFL average) Questionable/Bad moves: -- Mike Williams at # 4 overall -- as a RIGHT TACKLE -- Gregg "The Interview" Williams -- CFL Uniforms (sorry, had to put it there) -- Bledsoe -- High motor white guys on DL -- Drafting for skill positions while O and D lines suffer -- Alienation of fan base (tells us he's "embarrassed to be part of the community") Too soon to judge: -- Losman -- McGahee (gave up potential 1st round impact player and lost a year taking this gamble; while McGahee is good, hasn't shown he will be a superstar yet) -- Mularkey Bottom Line: 31-49, no playoffs, worst run since 82-86. It was time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Bottom Line: 31-49, no playoffs, worst run since 82-86. It was time to move on. 557635[/snapback] Another thread mentioned that this was the third worst winning percentage in the NFL over that time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Since August injuries have felled RTucker, KEverett, BSobieski, CVillarial, LSmith, TEuhus, MWilliams, MCampbell, and GJerman. That's 9 freaking guys from just one unit. But don't let that stop your spin machine. 557564[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Good moves: -- Releasing Bills from cap jail -- Fleecing Falcons in Price trade -- Takeo -- London -- Fleecing Titans in Henry trade -- Some decent draft picks (probably better than NFL average) Probably in top5-10 of NFL drafts would be more accurate. To this list I would add: Finding udfa's like RBaker, JPeters, JGreer, ShaudWilliams, etc Bringing in Sam Adams, MGandy, TTeague, CVilarial at palatable contracts Adding guys like Bobby April, Jim McNally and Tyke Tolbert Trading for the very solid MCampbell Not overpaying for Winfield and JJennings Stealing McGahee late in the 1strnd Upgrading QB's from RJ/Flutie to Losman/Holcombe Smart extensions for Schobel & McGee Questionable/Bad moves: -- Mike Williams at # 4 overall -- as a RIGHT TACKLE -- Gregg "The Interview" Williams -- CFL Uniforms (sorry, had to put it there) -- Bledsoe -- High motor white guys on DL -- Drafting for skill positions while O and D lines suffer -- Alienation of fan base (tells us he's "embarrassed to be part of the community") Uniforms and media gossip? What are you, a freaking woman? What the hell do those things have to do with football? Schobel, Kelsay and TAnderson are bad moves because they're white? Whatever. Williams hasn't lived up to his draft slot but it doesn't mean he sucks or it was a bad move. GWilliams was a no harm/no foul hire. And between the RoscoeParrish pick and the Bills next round pick there was a grand total of 5 offensive and defensive linemen taken, none of whom are starters. So basically the only legitimate thing you have on there was Bledsoe, and you were probably at the parade with the other 98% of Bills' fans. To this "list" I would add: Letting PhatPat and Bryce Fisher get away Bringing in Clements and allowing JGray to remain Signing Benny Anderson and JPosey So we have a big long list of good moves and a little short list of bad moves. He's not perfect. Off with his head!!! Bottom Line:31-49, no playoffs, worst run since 82-86. It was time to move on. 28-36 would be more accurate and while it's not good, it's also not horrible coming out of cap hell and playing in the league's toughest division until this year. The biggest problem is that we didn't "move on". We moved backwards. Congrats to the squeaky wheels for getting what they were crying for. It'll be interesting to see how the Bills do compared to whatever organization Donahoe ends up running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 i'd like to see td become the new york jets gm! maybe he can give the saints two #1 picks for aaron brooks..............stay tuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffal0 Bill5 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Maybe it has something to do with the 115-77 record his teams put together in Pittsburgh? Or the 5 division titles they won? Or the 3 conference championships they played in? Or the plethora of fantastic drafts, personell decisions or great coaching hires he made?But I guess one disapointing 5-11 season is more important than all that. 557534[/snapback] You were only dissapointed with one of his seasons here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Maybe it has something to do with the 115-77 record his teams put together in Pittsburgh? Or the 5 division titles they won? Or the 3 conference championships they played in? Or the plethora of fantastic drafts, personell decisions or great coaching hires he made?But I guess one disapointing 5-11 season is more important than all that. 557534[/snapback] well he never had "great coaching hires" he hired one good coach bill cower.....................after that he hired greg williams and mike mularky.id say he is 1 for 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 You were only dissapointed with one of his seasons here? 557855[/snapback] I was a little disappointed with GWilliams' last season here as I thought it was the first year which TD/Modrak had broken free of the salary cap fetters and had put together a nice roster for him that might challenge for a playoff spot. But being hamstrung with Bledsoe and a flatering staff was simply to much to overcome. And of course I was disappointed with this season, but I can't say that it was because it was really surprising. Going into the season with a rookie QB, having lost our defensive leader and lynchpin and then suffering so many injuries over the first month pretty much spelled disaster before we could even get started. By all apearances the Bills were setting themselves up for 2006 anyways, but I don't think anybody knew just how ugly (and even surreal) it was going to get. It just got so strange that by the time the 2nd miamuh game was over, it seemed like everybody was desperate to do something, regardless of whether or not it was the right thing. So do something we did, but in my opinion that something was to take a step backwards. well he never had "great coaching hires" he hired one good coach bill cower In addition to Cowher, while he was in P'burgh he also brought in Dick Lebeau, Bobby April, Dom Capers and Mike Mularkey. All of whom have been succesful in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Let's play the Donahoe Limbo! How far backwards will you have to bend to portray his work here positively? Probably in top5-10 of NFL drafts would be more accurate. I find this to be a rather dubious claim. I don't think the Bills have been the worst in the Draft over Donahoe's reign, but they absolutely haven't been in the top 10 - much less the top 5, are you crazy? We had a good 2001 draft (picks: 12 / current starters: 2 / starting-worthy: 4), an embarassingly abysmal 2002 draft (picks: 10 / current starters 0 /starting-worthy: 1), a decent 2003 draft (picks: 8 / starters: 4 / starting-worthy: 4) and it's too early to judge with 04 and 05 although things, at this point, look iffy. All of those starters or players that could start were taken in the first 3 rounds, except Terrence McGee who was a fourth-rounder. The markings of a "good" draft is the ability to find diamonds-in-the-rough in the later rounds. A general manager should be able to find starters in the first three rounds; that's not praise-worthy. Next, you add in some good moves from Donahoe's term. I'll only bring up what I find questionable. Finding udfa's like RBaker, JPeters, JGreer, ShaudWilliams, etc These acquisitions are certainly worthy of praise. Although, a cynic could argue that these moves were made necessary by poor drafting. But I'll give it to you. Bringing in Sam Adams, MGandy, TTeague, CVilarial at palatable contracts Wait, I thought we were blaming the offensive line for our troubles this year. Gandy, Teague, Villarial were good moves? Maybe your point is that since we were able to get them cheap and they started, that's good value. Stealing McGahee late in the 1strnd This is iffy. We certainly didn't steal McGahee as he was picked in the late first round where he was expected to go and at the time running back was not a concern. We had a solid, if unspectactular, back in Henry and glaring offensive line concerns. G Eric Steinbach went shortly after in the beginning of the 2nd round and has been quite good for them. Upgrading QB's from RJ/Flutie to Losman/Holcombe. This must be one of those "potential" upgrades because so far Losman hasn't even been as competent as Rob Johnson. And Holcomb has certainly been no Flutie. Uniforms and media gossip? What are you, a freaking woman? What the hell do those things have to do with football? Settle down, you dirty player you. Williams hasn't lived up to his draft slot but it doesn't mean he sucks or it was a bad move. I don't know how you typed this one out without snickering. Even forgetting that Mike Williams went 4th overall, he isn't starting on our team anymore. He lost his spot to an undrafted tight end. How embarassing is that? Not to mention he can't stay healthy for more than three minutes. I've seen the counter-argument that Williams should be ignored from Donahoe's resume because "everyone" thought Williams was a good pick at number four, and besides, who else would we have taken? Well, I think that's a stupid argument. For one, we should expect our General Manager to be a little more competent than Peter King of Sports Illustrated, okay? That's why he gets the big bucks. Secondly, if Donahoe wasn't convinced that Williams would be a good player, you need to trade down. Maybe he wouldn't have found a trading partner, but as far as we know he didn't even try. And that means it was a bad move because there were questions pre-draft about his motivation and health but we took him anyway at number four and gave him a huge contract. GWilliams was a no harm/no foul hire. Suffering through 3 years (oh, sorry, there were only 2 according to your "non-spin" version) of stupid game day decisions seems like a harm and a foul to me. 28-36 would be more accurate and while it's not good, it's also not horrible coming out of cap hell and playing in the league's toughest division until this year. 28-36 is a nice spin. "Not good, not horrible" is another friendly phrase. It makes it sound like we saw some progress. What a fuzzy thought. "Cap hell" is an excuse, as is "league's toughest division." After 5 years, it's ridiculous to need to have to bend so far backwards to make that time not seem unbearable. The biggest problem is that we didn't "move on". We moved backwards.Congrats to the squeaky wheels for getting what they were crying for. It'll be interesting to see how the Bills do compared to whatever organization Donahoe ends up running. 557826[/snapback] And your wheel has been nice and quiet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 I don't think the Bills have been the worst in the Draft over Donahoe's reign, but they absolutely haven't been in the top 10 - much less the top 5 Find 10 teams that have gotten more out of there 2001-2004 drafts. Gandy, Teague, Villarial were good moves? Gandy started 16 games at LT and played very well on a cheap contract. I'd call that a good move. Vilarial and Teague have both looked very good when healthy, but they've both been struggling with injuries. Teague's got a bum shoulder that maynever be right again and Vilarial was in the freaking hospital at the beginning of the season. at the time running back was not a concern. We had a solid, if unspectactular, back in Henry Henry was not a solid back. What we had was a back who frequently put the ball on the ground, wouldn't block, couldn't catch and was dumber than a rock. Donahoe was one of the few people to recognize the peril quick enough and then address it with McGahee who might be dynamite if we can get him behind a good healthy OLine. This must be one of those "potential" upgrades because so far Losman hasn't even been as competent as Rob Johnson. And Holcomb has certainly been no Flutie. I think Losman has already shown better instincts than RJ in his limited time. As for Holcombe being no Flutie, all I can say is thank christ. He lost his spot to an undrafted tight end.....Not to mention he can't stay healthy for more than three minutes. No, he lost his spot to a high ankle sprain and a back injury. And up until this year he was averaging about 14 games/year. But one injury-plagued season and now he can't stay healthy. Uh-huh. Maybe he wouldn't have found a trading partner, but as far as we know he didn't even try. As far as we know, he tried desperately. But the truth is that we have no clue. The fact that you want to assume that he didn't even try only exposes your preconceived notions. 28-36 is a nice spin. "Not good, not horrible" is another friendly phrase. It makes it sound like we saw some progress. What a fuzzy thought. "Cap hell" is an excuse, as is "league's toughest division." After 5 years, it's ridiculous to need to have to bend so far backwards to make that time not seem unbearable. What I find ridiculous is the inability or refusal to look at the situation in depth, ignoring everything but the simplest and easiest answers to complex problems. But to each his own. And your wheel has been nice and quiet! It has been for quite a while, but now it's clobberin' time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 First off, I'll agree with Simon that TD's first year (3-13) should be ignored because he was cleaning up the salary cap mess. I'm not willing to ignore the four subsequent playoff free years. The three most important areas of a team are QB, OL, and DL. After five years, there is uncertainty at QB, nobody worthy of being a starter on OL, and maybe one starter-worthy player on the DL. That's pathetic. TD has only acquired two proven offensive skill position players: McGahee and Evans. He has only drafted three starter-worthy defensive players in the back seven: Crowell, McGee, and Clements. And it looks like Clements will walk. Too much of the success the Bills had in those 8-8 and 9-7 years was based on quick-fix free agent solutions, instead of building through the draft. Unfortunately, those free agents got old in a hurry, which is why the team is now in rebuilding mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 With all that's been said... TD will be the new RAW General Manager. This last year made him the perfect canadate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 His next move will be out of town ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Find 10 teams that have gotten more out of there 2001-2004 drafts. 557947[/snapback] You've lost me here. Not hard to do, grant you, but the logic in this statement leads me to believe The Bills have a roster that's in the Top 10 of the league. My eyes deceive if that is the case. Now, who am I supposed to believe - you or my lying eyes? One possibility would be that we do have one of the top talented rosters in the league. In that case all the coaches should be vaporized and their oxygen-bonded carbon atoms should be sent to Mars. Maybe I just need another drink and to think things over some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Authors "The Binocular Guide to Ralph Wilson Stadium". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 "Ice boy" for Penthouse magazine. Hey... Not a bad "fall-back" profession! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 As long as he stays in the division I'll be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilat Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Fluffer in the Rodeo 557347[/snapback] ...Jizz skimmer in a San Francisco bath house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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