Is there Beane/McDermott Tension???

[716to540]

No. No there isn't.

[Don Otreply]

Frankly, there is tension between every HC & GM league wide, so…,

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, 716to540 said:

No. No there isn't.

Ok Brandon

[DuckyBoys]

I bet Beane blames Mcdermott for 13 seconds and McDermott blames Beane for the roster and poor drafting.  I cannot believe once again Josh has dumpster fire wrs yet again   Beane should be canned for the sheer audacity of trying to get away with it again

[BigDingus]

At this point, everyone's just guessing who's more to blame for the roster situation. 

 

I highly doubt Beane unilaterally makes any of these calls. I can almost guarantee McDermott tells Beane his targets & signs off on roster moves every time. 

 

But if they're at odds with each other, that's actually a pleasant surprise. That tells me I've got it all wrong, and at least ONE of them has some sense. 

 

Not sure who, but it's a sign for optimism either way.

 

 

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

I keep seeing people posting about how they think there's some turmoil between Beane and McDermott in a lot of posts on here lately.  I also know that maybe a few weeks ago or so there was a podcast that brought up the subject and they had bullet points about things being said in press conferences etc. that give off that impression.

 

Personally speaking I haven't really seen anything that would lead me to believe this but I also don't really pay too much attention to things either of them say in the media.  Just wondering if anybody has any inside knowledge or thoughts/opinions if there's any truth to this.  If anybody has a link to the podcast that was speculating about it that would be appreciated as well as I would like to start doing a little digging and research into this as I'm starting to hear more and more people make these claims

It’s all because of the JaMarcus Ingram situation.  Tim Graham described McDermott as “seething” about it.  I just can’t see a way that Beane releases Ingram for Clay without McDermott signing off on it.  

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I think McDermott is done with Coleman. He won't be on the roster in 2026 IMO.

Agreed.

[Nuncha]

There is if you believe what is posted here.

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, US Egg said:

Hell, it’s already fact.

Not a fact until Happy says it’s a fact.

[Nuncha]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

McD should be pissed. He has the best QB in the NFL with no one for him to throw to.  Add that instead of drafting WRs he signed mediocre FA who can’t get open and get hurt.  
 

I support Beane in general, but his consistent failure to properly address the WR position is mind boggling and has cost this franchise.

No one for Josh to throw to yet the Bills are ranked 11th in passing with 2,937 yards.  The top passing yard team, Dallas, has 3,581 yards.  A difference of 644 yards.  Dallas has 109 more passing attempts, most likely due to being behind way more often than Buffalo.

 

So, the nobody's Josh has to throw to are doing pretty damn well. 

 

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

No one for Josh to throw to yet the Bills are ranked 11th in passing with 2,937 yards.  The top passing yard team, Dallas, has 3,581 yards.  A difference of 644 yards.  Dallas has 109 more passing attempts, most likely due to being behind way more often than Buffalo.

 

So, the nobody's Josh has to throw to are doing pretty damn well. 

 

 

The passing offense generated 3 TD's vs the Bengals. But realistically, Allen was 2 of them completely. Which is what we get from our passing game. When Allen has been boxed in or the run game is not working, which was the case in Patriots, Falcons, Texans, we just don't have a whole lot. It's turns into screens, check downs, short TE passes.  We literally have to be perfect, which usually doesn't happen because these defenses are usually above average. 

 

This notion that since we are productive as a whole we are fine is failing to look at how that production is happening and how it fails. The missing component of our offense is on time intermediate and downfield passing. We are solely dependent on Josh to create that right now. 

 

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[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

I keep seeing people posting about how they think there's some turmoil between Beane and McDermott in a lot of posts on here lately.  I also know that maybe a few weeks ago or so there was a podcast that brought up the subject and they had bullet points about things being said in press conferences etc. that give off that impression.

 

Personally speaking I haven't really seen anything that would lead me to believe this but I also don't really pay too much attention to things either of them say in the media.  Just wondering if anybody has any inside knowledge or thoughts/opinions if there's any truth to this.  If anybody has a link to the podcast that was speculating about it that would be appreciated as well as I would like to start doing a little digging and research into this as I'm starting to hear more and more people make these claims

You can find it on various episodes of the locked on bills podcast where Joe Marino speculated on it locked on bills episodes that include Jerry ostrowski and Jeremy white.  He references some statements mcdermott has said in various pressers and that he said you barely see the two together(training camp. It's just speculation reading into statements from mcd and I think Beane as well in pressers. 

 

Could be true OR it could be two guys at the top of the org working together 10 years, with immense pressure they put on themselves, and the pressure of finishing the job. After 10 years, with this kind of expectation and money that there are bound to be moments of disagreement and tension. I think if there wasn't at times after all this time etc etc I'd be more concerned.  

 

It's not like rexy throwing Roman under the bus, or Greg williams and their OC at the time, actually trying to get rid of the other lol

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Frankly, there is tension between every HC & GM league wide, so…,

This

[JGMcD2]

This is honestly precious. A ton of projection and stretching innocuous instances to create a story out of absolutely nothing. 

[todd]

How quickly threads devolve into negativity and whining.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

This is honestly precious. A ton of projection and stretching innocuous instances to create a story out of absolutely nothing. 

Same was said about Diggs, Daboll, Allens breakup, you never know which one of these stories is true. 

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Same was said about Diggs, Daboll, Allens breakup, you never know which one of these stories is true. 

People weren’t reading into whether they were standing next to one another at training camp or comments in press conferences. 
 

The Slay/Ingram fiasco is akin to when JD McKissic bailed on a handshake deal. It’s out of Brandon Beane’s hands, nobody with a brain is pinning that on him. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

McDermott does not have approval over roster moves. Beane has control of the 53. Now previously I was always told they were very aligned so going back at least to two years ago I am certain they at least talk before this decision. But if there is a wider tension from this year as is speculated can I imagine a situation where they disagreed who the guy to expose to waivers was? Certainly. 

 

And here is my completely unfounded conspiratorial theory..... McDermott may well have wanted it to be Keon. The way that pick has worked out it is BOUND to have created tension. I can imagine McDermott being like "Brandon you can miss on talent that happens, but how the eff do you miss on a person so badly?" I think McDermott is done with Coleman. He won't be on the roster in 2026 IMO.

 

Curious how much the control of the 53 has shifted since self proclaimed President of Hockey Operations, Terrance Pegula said "I consider myself a football man".

 

I hadn't quite thought of that until your post and you stated "previously".

 

Worth noting that Lindy has more than hinted twice in the last week or so about his lack of control of his roster.

 

This is full tin foil hat theory/conjecture at the moment. But worth noting since they have the same owner.

 

My take on Pegulas success with the Bills v Sabres has always been that it's been McDermott and Beane vs Terry and that keeps Terry from ruining everything. If McBeane are struggling and Terry is weighing in we could see a lot more turbulance.

[Bferra13]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

People weren’t reading into whether they were standing next to one another at training camp or comments in press conferences. 
 

The Slay/Ingram fiasco is akin to when JD McKissic bailed on a handshake deal. It’s out of Brandon Beane’s hands, nobody with a brain is pinning that on him. 

Not true. Bills lost a depth player that plays outside cb, safety, and special teams over that fiasco. They didnt lose crap on McKissic. McD covets those players.

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Not true. Bills lost a depth player that plays outside cb, safety, and special teams over that fiasco. They didnt lose crap on McKissic. McD covets those players.

You have to understand McDermott to get the anger.  Ingram is a kid who scrapped, and worked, and who was respectful, and who came from nothing and never gave up.  McD is sort of similar - high school wrestler, undersized, all hustle, hardworking, focused, etc.  @GunnerBill is probably dead on with the Keon suggestion.  Coleman is a non malevolent bonehead who is immature and plays too many video games and has no attention to detail.  That goof sticking while Ingram walks out the door for nothing has got to infuriate McD.  

 

What most people also don't understand is that guys like Marino and Tim Graham hear stuff they can't report.  So when you get these little nuggets from each of them . . . treat it as a little bit of subtly-identified smoke.  

[SectionC3]

40 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

No one for Josh to throw to yet the Bills are ranked 11th in passing with 2,937 yards.  The top passing yard team, Dallas, has 3,581 yards.  A difference of 644 yards.  Dallas has 109 more passing attempts, most likely due to being behind way more often than Buffalo.

 

So, the nobody's Josh has to throw to are doing pretty damn well. 

 

Just imagine what those numbers would look like if there were "somebodys" there.  Which is probably McD's point.