Game week thread - Bengals at Bills (flexed to 1pm ET)

[finn]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1) Kyle Williams is the receiver you cite behind Diggs and Hollins?  

 

The fact that you don't know who Kayshon Boutte or Pop Douglas are basically tells me that you don't actually follow NFL football.

 

 Boutte has become one of the best deep threats in the league.   His ascent started prior to McDaniels arrival.

 

Douglas is an electric slot/gadget guy.  Another guy who was impactful prior to McDaniels.   How could you not remember him when he used to be the only guy with juice in that WR corps in years past?

 

Very impactful, dynamic, inexpensive, starting caliber players with complementary skills who are trending toward getting paid handsomely when their FA comes.

 

What really gives your angle away is that you know who their 5th or 6th receiving option is(Kyle Williams).......likely because he was in the draft last year and you probably start paying attention to draft eligible players after the season is over.  

 

There is no comparing their WR corps to that of the Bills.   Even if the Bills had the health that they have had in NE.   If Allen had that group and a healthy Hunter Henry instead of an absent Dalton Kincaid then Allen is likely in the process of repeating his MVP performance.......and then some.  

 

2) As for the old argument that Tom Brady had no pass game options.........he had a HoF TE in Gronk and a very impactful, dynamic player in Julian Edelman(much better than anyone the Bills currently have at WR) for a lot of those seasons in question.

 

When it started getting to the level of how bad the Bills receiving talent is THIS season....specifically 2019....that's when Brady's production fell off dramatically and the next season he went to Tampa Bay and his career was revived thanks to a bunch of excellent receiving options.

I admit I avoid the Patriots' games and so shouldn't comment on their performance. My animus toward all things related to the Pats* was showing there. But what gives you away in turn are your absolutes, as in your claim that the Bills' anemic passing offense is "all about" the wide receivers and nothing to do with Joe Brady, which I think is ludicrous. We see what we expect to see. That might apply to me, but it also might apply to you.  

[jkeerie]

20 minutes ago, finn said:

Is the division out of reach? Miami is surging. It's not out of the question that they sweep New England. We win out, and we take the division. Not too crazy a scenario. 

By the time NE plays Miami, Tua, Waddle and Waller will all be injured.  It's just the way NE's schedule has played out.  The football gods are smiling on them.

[Rockinon]

21 minutes ago, finn said:

Is the division out of reach? Miami is surging. It's not out of the question that they sweep New England. We win out, and we take the division. Not too crazy a scenario. 

I'd be very surprised if Miami beat NE.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

 

FYI, the next WR drafted after Kincaid was Jonathan Mingo, who I can assure you would have gotten us nowhere at any speed.  The other WRs drafted in the 2nd round that year were:

• Jayden Reed - who's been pretty good but also can't stay healthy.  Also hasn't been at all consistent for GB.
• Rashee Rice - has been quite good when on the field, but between injury and suspension has missed way more time than Kincaid I think.
• Marvin Mims - kind of a rich man's Jonathan Mingo, by which I mean "not good".

Rice over Kincaid is a pretty fair argument if you're okay with the off-field stuff.  Reed vs Kincaid is an interesting debate but definitely not definitive in favor of Reed.

 

My point is that maybe a WR instead of Kincaid would've helped, but just as likely that it would've been significantly worse.

We traded up for Kincaid. A few more piicks gets us Flowers. Or Jordan Addison. Or JSN or  Quienten Johnston. 3 of those would upgrade the roster for us instantly. 

 

We also needed LB which could have moved back and got Nolan Smith.  

 

We also needed CB, Joey Porter Jr.

 

We didn't need a TE

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

 

Be honest, you googled Die Hard to see how Nakatomi was spelled didn't you?

😃

Spelled just like it sounds?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

Haha I love statements like this, they make me laugh! So looking back, who should they have calmly and coldly selected?

You’re missing the point. It isn’t about who he drafted but the position. There is nothing wrong with Kincaid’s potential or ability, despite injuries. However, having already allocated so many future cap dollars to the TE position, taking another TE there was always going to be the wrong call…especially since it’s a position that regularly splits snaps. 
 

If you really want a name (which is obviously ridiculous), using unfair hindsight, he should have invested in the WR position before the run happened.

 

This would have meant moving from 27 to 19 overall to beat the run, and take JSN. This would have likely cost a 3rd and a 5th (Dorian Williams and Justin Shorter, respectively). 
 

Again, to me it is less about picking the wrong player and more about choosing to invest irrationally in a position. 

[Chandler#81]

 

[RichRiderBills]

I think most folks thought going into the Steelers game any win , ugly or not, would be solid....the Steelers were not that bad, had matchup problems tailor made to beat us, and we were incredibly inconsistent and beat up....and playing in a house of horrors. 

 

Somehow that narrative changed.

 

Folks and talking head fans now think we had a flukie gimmicky win against a terrible team that had no chance. 

 

I think that's wrong, but I also think the same narrative that the Bengals are back baby and that the Ravens are good are also wrong. 

 

I think we are going to roll over the Bengals come Sunday even without Bosa. Frankly, they beat a lost Ravens team that looks like they are already planning January holidays. Lamar was God awful. 

 

Burrow looked average. Lots of the short passes w poor coverage by Baltimore. Sure, the deep stuff to chase is there. But they kept taking care of sloppy Ravens goofs and lazy play. No one looked like they wanted to win near the end. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by RichRiderBills

[finn]

5 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think most folks thought going into the Steelers game any win , ugly or not, would be solid....the Steelers were not that bad, had matchup problems tailor made to beat us, and we were incredibly inconsistent and beat up....and playing in a house of horrors. 

 

Somehow that narrative changed.

 

Folks and talking head fans now think we had a flukie gimmicky win against a terrible team that had no chance. 

 

I think that's wrong, but I also think the same narrative that the Bengals are back baby and that the Ravens are good are also wrong. 

 

I think we are going to roll over the Bengals come Sunday even without Bosa. 

 

 

I agree, but I also thought they would beat Miami easily and take care of business in Houston. It's been a roller coaster of a year, and going into the home stretch, I'm still not confident I know who this team is. I wouldn't be surprised if they won out, and I wouldn't be surprised if they lost to the Bengals and New England and then lost in the first round of the playoffs. Either way, we'll be saying, "See? I told you so!"

 

In a way, their utter unknowability makes them more fun to watch, since I have to temper my expectations, meaning I'll be less crushed if they lose (half expecting it) and more thrilled if they win (only half expecting it). 

 

Being a fan is weird. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Burrow has one thing on Josh, confidence. Joe has that due to playing with great wideouts. In college and pros if you watch, Joe will throw the ball and expect his guy to make a play. Josh doesn’t have that confidence right now in any of his wideouts. I don’t blame Josh. Joe is a good QB, he would look atrocious with what Josh has at WR now and last year. 

[HoofHearted]

If there’s a week for a heavy dose of play action, this is it. Bengals linebackers are not good.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Burrow has one thing on Josh, confidence. Joe has that due to playing with great wideouts. In college and pros if you watch, Joe will throw the ball and expect his guy to make a play. Josh doesn’t have that confidence right now in any of his wideouts. I don’t blame Josh. Joe is a good QB, he would look atrocious with what Josh has at WR now and last year. 

With the Bills WR's over the last 2 seasons if Allen threw the ball with anticipation he would likely be leading the NFL in INT's.  

[MikePJ76]

11 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

If there’s a week for a heavy dose of play action, this is it. Bengals linebackers are not good.

It seems they really like their young linebackers and they are getting better.  Their coordinator is a linebackers coach at heart.

 

i think there redzone defense in the past few weeks has gotten better recently also.

[Kelly to Allen]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

People really underestimate how good Edelman was. Dude was a tough physical receiver that consistently found space to get open, had good hands, and was a great YAC guy. Maybe he isn't a HoF player but he is highly underestimated. In his prime, he would be a clear #1 on this team and no one would be even close.

I think shakir can be that guy

[balln]

7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

It seems they really like their young linebackers and they are getting better.  Their coordinator is a linebackers coach at heart.

 

i think there redzone defense in the past few weeks has gotten better recently also.

Their LBers are horrific. Not sure they’re getting better

[HoofHearted]

8 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

It seems they really like their young linebackers and they are getting better.  Their coordinator is a linebackers coach at heart.

 

i think there redzone defense in the past few weeks has gotten better recently also.

I just watched their game vs the Bears to get an idea of what we’ll see from their offense and their backers couldn’t even get their front lined up correctly. Any backfield action and they were flying downhill. Really poor eye discipline.

 

Communication as a whole throughout their defense looked poor.

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Was mocked for naming him offensive player of the game, which was half in jest, but clearly had an absolute banger.

[Comebackkid]

10 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

Also, I think Brady was passing game coordinator at LSU, not OC, and called plays only in certain situations. 

Mainly he designed the plays.   didnt actually call them except for some of the bunch formation stuff.

which could explain why he sux stringing them together and how to set himself up later with them.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Process said:

For what? Making the playoffs? We need two wins. We have 5 games left. 

 

We are not in must win mode at all. With the division pretty much out of reach, I'm being very cautious with injured guys the rest of the way. 

 

Two wins are not guaranteed to get us in. There are some scenarios where 10-7 doesn't work for us. Depends on other teams and I hate that. I'd say 3 wins to be safe.

[Shortchaz]

21 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

It seems they really like their young linebackers and they are getting better.  Their coordinator is a linebackers coach at heart.

 

i think there redzone defense in the past few weeks has gotten better recently also.

I see what you’re saying, and I don’t doubt it for a second if our ground game can’t get it going early