Charles Romes Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Seems like most of that vaunted WR draft class is overrated. Harrison a possible bust. Odunze onderwhelming. Nabers great but bad career compromising injury. BTJ stunning collapse year two. Worthy - KC faithful see a possible bust, Pearsoll - we’ll give him a pass but not showing much. Polk Corley and Mitchell on second teams already. Burton an embarrassment. Ladd may be the only one of ten performing at least at his draft position. Quote
Andrew Son Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Just now, FireChans said: Maybe not the pinnacle and certainly not infallible. I have long held the adage that if the fans are debating if you are good or if you suck after long enough, you probably suck. Nobody debates if Josh or Shakir or Cook sucks. Or guys like Rousseau or Oliver. We may debate if they are worth their contract or how “good” they are, but not if they are actually good or suck. But guys like Elam, Ford, EJ, Tyrod, etc etc and now Keon, we are debating if they are good or if they suck. And I’ve seen this play out too many times to completely discount that, despite it not being infallible. lol, maybe the "after long enough" disclaimer makes that somewhat true. Keon has played 22 games. Might want to check the sentiment on Oliver, Cook, and even Josh at that point. An of course Kincaid and Bishop were complete busts. We'll see how it turns out for Keon, but I'm pretty sure fan sentiment is not a leading indicator. 1 Quote
Mat68 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago The last few months will be huge. If he turns a corner you keep him. If not I think you sell low. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 33 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Dumping him now is like trashing your house than listing it on the market without cleaning up the garbage first. Organizations like the jets and raiders exist. Never underestimate the stupidity of other people 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Unless he lights it up consistently its time to cut bait if we can find a trading partner. If not he is at best a 4th WR, but not a full time starter We gave him 2 full seasons with no consistent growth and very little big body contested catch success. Quote
thenorthremembers Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I'd prefer Keon never see the field for the Bills again, especially at X or Z. The issue the Bills have is it has to be a trade to recoup any money on his contract. Even a post June 1st cut will cost them 3 million on the cap for next year. I've said it in the past. I am fine with the Bills being patient with young players where talent hasnt translated to on the field success as long as that player is doing everything in their power to be great. If the talent isnt translating and that player is also a bum off the field, fail fast and cut ties. It's the difference between someone like Keon and Kaiir Elam. Elam got the benefit of the doubt because he was working his tail off. From all accounts Keon is a good kid. Great. The Bills arent paying him to be funny and affable. They are paying him to be a professional wide receiver. What he fails to understand is that by not being professional he is putting people's jobs in jeopardy. It's selfish and disrespectful to every person in the organization. Like Jerry Glanville said, the NFL stands for Not For Long. Coach JB can be a giant moron, but he also has some pretty common sense takes. This is one of them. NSFW because of language. Quote
Augie Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) On 11/16/2025 at 2:36 PM, Governor said: He obviously can’t be traded. Haha. What team would want that? What if the Chiefs offered a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Would that make you nervous about what might come to be down the road? Did anyone want to get rid of Bishop at any point in time? It’s not time to do a deal now, so I’ll wait and see what happens before making any premature decisions. . Edited 9 hours ago by Augie Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Augie said: What if the Chiefs offered a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Would that make you nervous about what might come to be down the road? No trading to the Chiefs or Pats. Ship him to the NFC for Dairy Queen punch card. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: No trading to the Chiefs or Pats. Ship him to the NFC for Dairy Queen punch card. If he becomes a star in his next step, I hope it’s a Wyatt Teller situation. I know Teller is in the AFC, but he went somewhere that would never be real competition. If Coleman becomes a good player I hope that he does it in a Saints jersey or something like that. Edited 9 hours ago by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Augie said: What if the Chiefs offered a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Would that make you nervous about what might come to be down the road? Did anyone want to get rid of Bishop at any point in time? It’s not time to do a deal now, so I’ll wait and see what happens before making any premature decisions. . It is different to Bishop. The issue with Cole was never talent. It was mental. It was waiting for the light to come on. It finally has. With Keon I don't see the talent. Maybe if they didn't have an established answer that they'd paid in the slot already I'd be saying move Keon inside and try him there before you give up him. But they do. I'm not taking Shakir off the field to try and rescue Keon's career. The reason Keon can't play outside receiver in the NFL is he doesn't have the skillset to do it. 2 Quote
Urban Achievers Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago On 11/16/2025 at 2:25 PM, Aussie Joe said: I’m not prepared to give up anything more than a sixth to get rid of him But it has to be a 2028 6th or no deal! Quote
HOUSE Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago You guys been spending to much time in the WR Choo Choo If Coleman was a CB this wouldn't even qualify as a thread. Quote
Big Turk Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is different to Bishop. The issue with Cole was never talent. It was mental. It was waiting for the light to come on. It finally has. With Keon I don't see the talent. Maybe if they didn't have an established answer that they'd paid in the slot already I'd be saying move Keon inside and try him there before you give up him. But they do. I'm not taking Shakir off the field to try and rescue Keon's career. The reason Keon can't play outside receiver in the NFL is he doesn't have the skillset to do it. My question is what does Coleman give you that Shavers doesn't at this point? They are essentially the same player with almost exactly the same measurables(Shavers is a little faster) but Shavers can create separation and get open and can get deep. Quote
GunnerBill Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: My question is what does Coleman give you that Shavers doesn't at this point? They are essentially the same player with almost exactly the same measurables(Shavers is a little faster) but Shavers can create separation and get open and can get deep. I don't want to overreact to one game with Shavers, but I think he looks better outside. Quote
Big Turk Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't want to overreact to one game with Shavers, but I think he looks better outside. And Coleman definitely isn't better than Davis when he is right, and he looked pretty good overall. Plus Josh trusts him and he is great on scramble drills with him. Coleman often looks lost in the sauce on those running around aimlessly. Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago What I like about Shavers is effort. The guy is always working. Coleman not so much. I really wanted to give the man the benefit of the doubt but I’m kind of done with him. Let’s see what we can salvage on the trade market. Quote
The Jokeman Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t mean to jump back in but they aren’t the same. McConkey is going to have another 1,000 yard season, 80+ catches and at least 6 or 7 TDs. This is on the heels of a rookie season where he had 82/1149/7. That isn’t the same as Keon. No matter how many ways, we cut up and manipulate Keon’s numbers to fit our agenda. It’s not only not the same, it’s not similar. If Keon had either of those years we’d give him a key to the city. And Keon has as many targets in his career as Ladd has in this season alone. Our current offense will not let get Keon get 8-10 targets in a game on a regular basis so to even expect him to get 8 catches and 100 yards plus isn't going to happen and guess what it wouldn't happen if Ladd was here either not because of talent because of scheme. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 12 hours ago, FireChans said: Say what you want about Devante Parker, but he was maybe the best big slow career ever. His rookie season vs Keon’s 50 targets 26 rec 494 yards and 3 TDs, 19 YPC 57 targets 29 rec 556 yards and 4 TDs, 19.2 YPC, they are basically peas in a pod Parker was actually a 4.45 guy. Where the comparison comes in is that there are multiple examples of these bigger bodied guys taking longer to develop because they lack the speed and or quickness to dominate initially. When Parker broke out he was probably trending toward stringing a few 1000 yard seasons in a row up.....which would be an excellent result from an early second round pick like Coleman. But injuries got Parker and derailed his career after that 1200 yard 9 TD season. Davante Adams and Nico Collins didn't break out until age 24.........that would be year 4 for Coleman. Which illustrates my point about the Bills putting way too much on his plate this year. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: It is different to Bishop. The issue with Cole was never talent. It was mental. It was waiting for the light to come on. It finally has. With Keon I don't see the talent. Maybe if they didn't have an established answer that they'd paid in the slot already I'd be saying move Keon inside and try him there before you give up him. But they do. I'm not taking Shakir off the field to try and rescue Keon's career. The reason Keon can't play outside receiver in the NFL is he doesn't have the skillset to do it. Meh.......I think Shakir is trending toward becoming an injury fail. He's not good at avoiding big hits and it's taken it's toll. He was a liability on the field last week. So there might be room for Coleman to develop in the slot if retained in 2026. What would be Billsy is if they got rid of Coleman(and Samuel and Moore) and then Shakir continues to accumulate a brand new injury every week and turns into Terrel Bernard 2.0 while Glass Kincaid continues to shatter on contact. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: And Keon has as many targets in his career as Ladd has in this season alone. Our current offense will not let get Keon get 8-10 targets in a game on a regular basis so to even expect him to get 8 catches and 100 yards plus isn't going to happen and guess what it wouldn't happen if Ladd was here either not because of talent because of scheme. Oh no, we aren’t doing this. Over the equivalent of the last 17 games, Coleman has caught 41% of the balls thrown his way!! He doesn’t get volume because he doesn’t get open!! Ladd has caught 64% of the balls thrown his way this year and 73% of them last year. Don’t you think if Keon were open more they’d throw him the ball more?!? Quote
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