Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, CirclnWagons said:

Not making excuses for Coleman or shakir but not many wr1s getting fired up for 3 yd outs these days. Brady acts like Allen doesn’t have the strongest arm in the league and tries to run the old Roethlisberger dink and dunk offense for a yard and a half at a time. You have to take a few deep shots a game if for nothing else, it keeps the defense honest. Doesn’t excuse Coleman’s poor effort though  

We did take a bunch of deep shots this week though. Josh just didn't throw them well. 

[CincyBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

From what I can tell, Beane and staff narrowed it down to the few WRs they liked first and foremost, and then casually asked Allen for any input on who he may like or prefer.

That makes sense to me and is consistent with what the sources say and how Bean & Allen appear to operate.

 

As an aside, I still believe that Coleman could breakout at any time and be a very good NFL WR.  I have  seen enough to know that the potential is there.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this happens.  And if Coleman does break through and become a dominating WR will those posters that say Allen pushed Bean to draft him come on 2BD and praise Allen's brilliant scouting skills?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Well then
 

Shakir

Palmer

Hardman

Davis   
Moore

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Spend a lot of time on NFL sidelines and in locker rooms, do you?

no

i'm assuming neither do you or the guy I quoted

 

talking strictly what you can see on the sidelines

[Bob in STL]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But McConkey doesn't solve this team's biggest issue which is they don't threaten deep and outside and it means teams can compress the field against us both vertically and horizontally. And look I'd have picked him before Coleman, because Coleman doesn't do any of those things either and McConkey is just a better football player. And anyone who tried to argue that Coleman was a contested catch specialist hadn't watched enough of him in college. He wasn't that for Florida State he hasn't been that in the league. He is pretty average in that facet. The thing Keon does best is run after the catch ball in hand. It is not coincidence that when the Bills were getting some production from him in the middle of his rookie year pre injury that is how he was being used in the main. 

 

Coleman was just a bad pick. A slow, big slot, who is a career non-separator and average at the catch point. I said it at the time and I stick by every word.

True.  So you take the better football player, the one with the best chance of helping, that was/is McConkey.    

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

True.  So you take the better football player, the one with the best chance of helping, that was/is McConkey.    

 

Or you go up for one of the guys that really solves your problem - BTJ for example.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

You're right I wasn't there and I don't know what was said & done.  All I can go on is common sense and what the circumstantial evidence suggests.   And some of that evidence are the "sources" everyone keeps pointing to in which none provide details that support the idea that Allen PUSHED BEAN TO DRAFT Coleman.  Everything that I've seen in those sources and in Allen's general behavior around drafting Coleman was that he was excited at the potential Coleman's style of play brought to the table and he was looking forward to playing with them.  That is a far cry from being intimately involved in the Bills declension to draft Coleman.

 

But hey believe what you want.  I'll believe that Allen welcomed Coleman in and was excited that this athletic, big bodied WR might become an important piece of the passing game.  Why some claim that Allen was heavily involved in selecting Coleman, implying that Allen nixed alternative draft scenarios like taking McConkey or aggressive moving up in the draft to grab one of the stud WR's is beyond me.  I have yet to see one credible piece of evidence to support this.

 

 

 

 

 

Since no one really knows, since no one was there, its difficult to have a hard stance on which side.

The only thing we do know is that Allen did tell Keon in text he was the one he wanted.  That's it.

46 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

When the head coach is implying, to the media, about lack of effort, then yeah, he's not lying.

 

Keon Coleman should be waived/traded this Summer.

 

Not to mention already sat twice in two years for being late to a game.

[hondo in seattle]

18 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

It’s wild to me if that’s the case.

 

 

The guy has every opportunity right now to be a superstar. An MVP qb, no real WR competition or pressure around him, and the entire city looking for him to step up.

 

What more could you ask for to get some effort?

 

This all sounds quite logical.  But who knows what's going on in his personal life.  Maybe his dad is dying of cancer or his gf is sleeping around.  Maybe he's got mental health issues like Marshawn Kneeland.  We just don't know.  

 

But regardless of the reasons behind his lack of effort, if he's not putting out, he shouldn't be on the field.  

[Shortchaz]

48 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

We did take a bunch of deep shots this week though. Josh just didn't throw them well. 

Not his strength, he’s never learned how to loft a football well. Tries to hit an exact spot, be too perfect with the throw, rather than lofting it to an area like the better deep ball throwers do. 

[Gugny]

 Begs the question “is Beane trying off the field?”

[DrDawkinstein]

32 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

True.  So you take the better football player, the one with the best chance of helping, that was/is McConkey.    

 

The move wasnt to take McConky. It was either trade whatever you need to in order to move UP and draft BTJ, or stay put and draft Worthy who at least gives you a downfield threat.

 

If you really wanted to take BPA and best true football player at #33 overall, that would have been Cooper DeJean.

 

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or you go up for one of the guys that really solves your problem - BTJ for example.

 

Yep

 

And while BTJ has shown to have his own "effort issues" he at least has the talent and ability to make up for the bad attitude. Plus, I dont think we see those issues in a different situation outside of Jax. jmo

 

Edited 1 hour ago by DrDawkinstein

[T master]

18 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

I have 2 words so to speak for McBeane!

 

Ladd  Mcconkey. 

Given who was there at our pick I couldn't understand WHY Beane decided to trade back in my fan not knowledge of football head it made no sense if you already had enough picks in the draft and you had said players in spots that were suppose to be main stays . 

 

I thought that they had seen or knew more about Coleman than I did just being a fan but it's turning out that I might go put in may application for the position just saying !!

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or you go up for one of the guys that really solves your problem - BTJ for example.

 

That’s who I thought they were targeting (BTJ).

 

I was pretty surprised to see it was Waddle.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

That’s who I thought they were targeting (BTJ).

 

I was pretty surprised to see it was Waddle.

 

I'm guessing that was dictated by Miami being a team who is selling and Jacksonville was actually acquiring WRs at the deadline. Jags havent given up on the season like Miami. Otherwise, we'd be in on BTJ.

[jaybeezee]

5 minutes ago, T master said:

Given who was there at our pick I couldn't understand WHY Beane decided to trade back in my fan not knowledge of football head it made no sense if you already had enough picks in the draft and you had said players in spots that were suppose to be main stays . 

 

I thought that they had seen or knew more about Coleman than I did just being a fan but it's turning out that I might go put in may application for the position just saying !!

I dont watch enough College FB to know who's good, average or best, but that draft people were pounding the table for Mcconkey and I started to pay attention to who was left on the board. Watched his film and thought he was a great slot replacement for Beasley. , and more athletic than Bease. 

 

When we drafted Coleman, I watched his tape and thought.... maybe they know something that we all dont about both.

 

We definitely needed height, but not kelvin Benjamin 2.0! Actually its disrespectful to KB to compare Coleman to him. KB had some really productive years in Carolina!

 

I also believe that Brady has no clue how to implement him into our offense either, but I bet Andy Reid would! McKay and Shanahan for that matter as well. 

Edited 1 hour ago by jaybeezee

[The Frankish Reich]

18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

4th round pick Troy Franklin says hi....on pace for 9 tds and 900 yards. 6-3 with 4.4 speed....keep doing you Brandon.

And Franklin started really slow under Sean Payton. Payton obviously didn't like something about him so he didn't see much playing time before midseason even though he was Bo Nix's favorite target at Oregon. But they brought him along and he's a definite weapon now.

I don't get why he dropped so far in the draft, and I don't get why Coleman was ever considered better. But the Bills weren't the only team with that opinion. 

[T master]

Just now, jaybeezee said:

I dont watch enough College FB to know who's good, average or best, but that draft people were pounding the table for Mcconkey and I started to pay attention to who was left on the board. Watched his film and thought he was a great slot replacement for Beasley. , and more athletic than Bease. 

 

When we drafted Coleman, I watched his tape and thought.... maybe they know something that we all dont about both.

 

We definitely needed height, but not kelvin Benjamin 2.0!

And me not being a knowledgeable college football fan like you it's been said that a lot of Colemans production in college was in the role of a slot player not a outside guy so for goodness sake if that's where he was productive at least try him there and put Shakir out side .

 

That too was part of the reason for not going after McConkey that they already had Shakir in that role but as Tasker says "Good players make you better" so why not take the best that the board is offering instead of more draft capital . But that's just the fan in me !! 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, jaybeezee said:

When we drafted Coleman, I watched his tape and thought.... maybe they know something that we all dont about both.

"Projectability" vs. actual on-field results. I think that explains Coleman vs. Franklin.

[jaybeezee]

I also remember Brane neglecting the WR position when we drafted Cody Ford over DK Metcalfe as well. How'd that work for us.

 

Imagine DK and Stef on our team during those years! I know its all retrospect,  but just one of too many flubbs by Beane for my taste!

[Billz4ever]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or you go up for one of the guys that really solves your problem - BTJ for example.

 

Which is kind of funny since they went up to get Kincaid, but BTJ was a bridge too far I guess.