Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[Ray Finkel]

1 hour ago, fridge said:

 

A young WR being handed the opportunity to be Josh Allen's WR1, and you think he probably wants to leave? I don't doubt for a second that we'll be looking to move on, but I highly doubt there's any part of him that thinks he's doing anything other than squandering this opportunity.

Soft like a lot of these young kids are.  He wants everything handed to him but doesn’t want to put the work in.  They blow so much smoke up Pegula’s ass that they will never admit their mistake by taking him.  Have to keep him on the field to cover their ass

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-allen-pumped-bills-took-keon-coleman-qb-texted-wr-before-draft-youre-the-guy-that-i-want/

 

Beane said Josh called and talked about a few different WR’s and said he was “pumped” to get a WR and that makes Keon Josh’s guy? 

 

Sorry I disagree.

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

A lot more things they could have done that day than these two guys. They move up and down the draft board all the time. And worthy is head and shoulders better than Coleman. 

 

Worthy is mostly a gadget receiver. Coleman would have had more yards than him his rookie year has he not missed a bunch of games.

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Beane said Josh called and talked about a few different WR’s and said he was “pumped” to get a WR and that makes Keon Josh’s guy? 

 

Sorry I disagree.

Here is the interview, where he mentioned Keon as a "tier 2" guy.

 

 

 

Again, I said this up thread --- its this + the text/call after Keon picked saying he was Joshs guy.

 

But as I said, Beane isnt picking based on who Josh likes -- for all we know, Josh liked Worthy more or AD.  Im sute Josh gives his feedback on type of receiver and his limited "tape"

 

 

[Best Williams Available]

18 minutes ago, Governor said:

This is why I never listen to manufactured garbage in the offseason. All we heard was how he was a totally different guy and it’s going to be a breakout season, and now they look like total idiots.

 

They could’ve just said “I dunno, we’ll see how it goes with him.”

They even got Dawkins to try to convince us he was going to be some pro bowler. Against our DBs in preseason is maybe not the test we thought it was?

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

So I saw a highlight from yesterday, Allen completed a quick out to someone for a short gain. I remember watching Coleman and wondering if it's normal for a nonplay-side WR to just jog through a route. 
 

I wish I could remember the details, it was a "team highlight" but his effort stood out. 

I can vouch for this.  I saw it.

[SectionC3]

I thought more about this.  We should “Andre Holmes” this guy as soon as Gave is ready.  Make an example of him.  We don’t do his ess here. Adios. 

Edited 2 hours ago by SectionC3

[LEBills]

57 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Put me in the camp that 1) he was drafted too high and 2) he's being asked to do something that isn't his strength.

 

I don't think he's a bad player. I think the expectations of him are too high based on his draft position and I think he's being misused.

This is exactly where I am at. Keon has talent but this was not an easy situation for him to land.

 

He was the first pick and expected to replace the most prolific WR in Bills history as a rookie. Due to terrible roster construction, he has had to play as the primary outside receiver since he got here.

 

And a part of that is basically only giving him deep targets downfield especially this year. I’m not a football genius and maybe he is getting these routes and I’m not seeing them, but some of his best plays last year and at FSU were when he took a slant and was able to do some RAC. And those plays actually contributed to him having pretty decent advanced metrics for a rook.
 

Now certainly Keon hasn’t helped himself and I wasn’t even a fan pre-draft (I believe I had him ranked as WR12 in my rankings that are posted here somewhere). But I don’t think everything has been very fair to the kid.

 

If he was drafted to the team when we still had Diggs and he could develop at his own pace, maybe we would see more flashes. Right now though, he seems to be washing out unfortunately. When Josh was asked about Keon yesterday at his presser and paused and said “well he got one [touchdown]” that seemed like a teammate that is not happy with him.

[Slack_in_MA]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

This is exactly where I am at. Keon has talent but this was not an easy situation for him to land.

 

He was the first pick and expected to replace the most prolific WR in Bills history as a rookie. Due to terrible roster construction, he has had to play as the primary outside receiver since he got here.

 

And a part of that is basically only giving him deep targets downfield especially this year. I’m not a football genius and maybe he is getting these routes and I’m not seeing them, but some of his best plays last year and at FSU were when he took a slant and was able to do some RAC. And those plays actually contributed to him having pretty decent advanced metrics for a rook.
 

Now certainly Keon hasn’t helped himself and I wasn’t even a fan pre-draft (I believe I had him ranked as WR12 in my rankings that are posted here somewhere). But I don’t think everything has been very fair to the kid.

 

If he was drafted to the team when we still had Diggs and he could develop at his own pace, maybe we would see more flashes. Right now though, he seems to be washing out unfortunately. When Josh was asked about Keon yesterday at his presser and paused and said “well he got one [touchdown]” that seemed like a teammate that is not happy with him.

He should be a big slot and the occasional end zone jump ball, not an X receiver. I don't blame him for what they're asking him to be.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

We’ll make sure you start him and play him almost every snap then. That will teach him. Or idk, play Samuel out there? A guy that’s actually been good in the nfl and is just being wasted 

[Avisan]

3 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

He should be a big slot and the occasional end zone jump ball, not an X receiver. I don't blame him for what they're asking him to be.

I blame him.  If he were putting in full effort he could be a nightmare to play against.  Last season pre-injury he was blocking like a monster and calling some endzone shots etc.  A big physical guy can be tough to line up against even if he isn't a separator if he beats the heck out of you on every run rep and forces you to be on his hip on every single pass play.  He could be very valuable and productive while he works on his route-running.

 

Instead we have this.

[Dick_Cheney]

He needs some ayahuasca to get his head right. 

[Slack_in_MA]

5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We’ll make sure you start him and play him almost every snap then. That will teach him. Or idk, play Samuel out there? A guy that’s actually been good in the nfl and is just being wasted 

Not sure who that comment is meant for, but I'll reiterate my very recent comment: he didn't belong being drafted as high as he was. I don't think he should be getting the snaps that he does, but I don't blame him for that. I think he could be productive in the right role, which I don't believe they are putting him in. That's all.

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

He should be a big slot and the occasional end zone jump ball, not an X receiver. I don't blame him for what they're asking him to be.

Yes. I agree. Matt Harmon pointed to this pre-draft and since. For all the love I (and others) have for Troy Franklin, he struggled much worse than Keon last year when he was a primarily outside wide receiver. They moved him inside over 50% of the time and now he is looking much better this year. Ladd McConkey played in the slot over 62% of the time this year and last.

 

The Bills are forcing Keon into this outside receiver role because they are desperate for bodies that can line up out there rather than trying to get the best out of him. Square peg, round hole type of thing.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Not sure who that comment is meant for, but I'll reiterate my very recent comment: he didn't belong being drafted as high as he was. I don't think he should be getting the snaps that he does, but I don't blame him for that. I think he could be productive in the right role, which I don't believe they are putting him in. That's all.

I don't think most of the anger is directed towards Keon as much as it is towards the person that drafted him

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, ScotSHO said:

Holy crap Josh was bad on that rep. 

Yep, bailed on the pocket really for no reason.  Having said that, Keon should've been on the bench after that play too.

[Slack_in_MA]

2 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I don't think most of the anger is directed towards Keon as much as it is towards the person that drafted him

I disagree. It's combination of where he was drafted and the expectations that come along with that, his actual skillset, his work ethic, and the role he is expected to fulfill. Some on him, some not.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, zow2 said:

I actually think the Bills offense will improve with Keon off the field.  Samuel needs more targets too.  People get on his case but he is a professional WR and Josh trusts him.  He did well in the playoffs last season.  Some big catches.

Absolutely agree. Get this guy off the field. Terrible terrible pick just cut bait now.

[TBBills Fan]

This was not the type of thread I was hoping to see this year about Keon. 

 

Playing time is earned, it sounds more and more like he isn't earning it. 

[BuffaloBillies]

Make him inactive 2 weeks. See how he responds. If nothing changes, beginning of the end...