Game week thread - Buccaneers at Bills

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah the 1989 Bills were just a 2nd year contender and had a roster full of young difference makers.   Confidence was very low in the coaching staff but they were so talented that the objective of the offseason after 1989 was addition by subtraction(Fred Smerlas in particular).

 

This certainly ain't that.

 

1994 was the clear end of that run of dominance but it wasn't the end for the Bills SB chances........they had just reached the point where they had to cross their fingers for health and win with just a capable roster and a winning culture instead of a great roster like they had from 88'-92' or so.

 

That's where the Bills are now.

 

John Butler did a decent job re-tooling the personnel(despite some blind spots in talent evaluation) in the mid-90's and the 1999 team really should have won the SB that year.   Most stifling, talented defense the Bills have had since the merger.    

 

 

This roster and the youth of it's key players is in line with 89

 

You gotta remember, Kelly and a few other guys already would've had a similar 5 year run like this group if Kelly arrived in 83....

 

 

Allen, cook, Shakir, Kincaid, palmer, Gabe, Brown, Torrence, Rousseau, Oliver, tj Sanders, Walker, Williams, hairston, benford, Bishop, Hancock , Landon Jackson etc 

 

 

All of them are in line with 89....

 

Kelly was also a much older 29 in 1989 because he had completele shoulder reconstruction surgery in 83 if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

 

So he goes from highest % to no jersey.  Maybe adjustments Should have been made before. 

[Goin Breakdown]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So he goes from highest % to no jersey.  Maybe adjustments Should have been made before. 

I'm excited to watch just because of this. 
 

sorry. Edit. I do wish him success. But maybe develope some more. Or how about this. Buffalo could use him the right way. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Goin Breakdown

[DapperCam]

18 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So he goes from highest % to no jersey.  Maybe adjustments Should have been made before. 

I guess maybe they were waiting for a player that could replace his role blocking, maybe they felt Shavers wasn't there. Now that Gabe Davis is available, if he's healthy he can at least perform Coleman's blocking assignments just as well.

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

He would hang his head...😗

One of my earliest memories as a child was walking into a room, maybe I was 3, and my dad yelling at the TV. I can recall my dad saying “don’t hang your head Ferguson”. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

One of my earliest memories as a child was walking into a room, maybe I was 3, and my dad yelling at the TV. I can recall my dad saying “don’t hang your head Ferguson”. 

That seems to be a childhood memory of many here

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So he goes from highest % to no jersey.  Maybe adjustments Should have been made before. 

Nah, it’s just him. Coaching is immune to criticism. So is Josh. 

[Ya Digg?]

9 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Nah, it’s just him. Coaching is immune to criticism. So is Josh. 

Dude what board have you been going to that you haven’t seen the criticism of Josh and especially the coaching staff this season?!

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, stevewin said:

So Potato Salad Face is Hangover Face?

 

Yeah kinda lol

[Shortchaz]

9 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Dude what board have you been going to that you haven’t seen the criticism of Josh and especially the coaching staff this season?!

I was the one making it 

[Success]

I'm sad about Coleman, excited to see Gabe & Hardman, nervous that it's too much change too fast, angry that we even got to this point, and happy that Allen is still our QB.

 

So - sad, excited, nervous, angry & happy.

 

The life of a Bills fan, eh?  How about it?

 

[Bills!Win!]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I'm sad about Coleman, excited to see Gabe & Hardman, nervous that it's too much change too fast, angry that we even got to this point, and happy that Allen is still our QB.

 

So - sad, excited, nervous, angry & happy.

 

The life of a Bills fan, eh?  How about it?

 

Wouldn’t have it any other way

[Einstein]

 

[finn]

10 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I guess maybe they were waiting for a player that could replace his role blocking, maybe they felt Shavers wasn't there. Now that Gabe Davis is available, if he's healthy he can at least perform Coleman's blocking assignments just as well.

Your observation captures what I see as wrong with Brady's offense. Rather than scheme his receivers open, he relies on blockers to spring them free, hence the incessant wide receiver screens and stop routes. One might say his options are limited by the abilities of his players, but as others have pointed out, at least two of the new additions, Moore and Samuel, have had far more success elsewhere. You could arguably add Coleman to that list: maybe he's not a bust but a talented player who is being misused. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Bills receivers have started grumbling behind the scenes. 

 

I'll put my point in question form: Have we seen any innovations from Brady in the passing game during his tenure as offensive coordinator? Any surprises, wow moments, or even play calls that run against his tendencies? I'm not talking about cute plays my niece could devise, like throwing to Allen or handing off to Knox. I'm talking about pass-play calling that goes beyond generic and head-slappingly predictable. 

 

For example, how about play action on fourth and short instead of always a tush-push? Or an occasional fade or high jump ball to Coleman instead of constant diet of back-shoulder sideline throws? Or Cook on a go route (or any other route on third down, when Brady takes him, one of the most talented players in the NFL, off the field)? Or trying different concepts now and then, like flooding a zone or the no-huddle for an entire series?

 

I've been as critical as anyone about the lack of receiver talent on this team, but I'm starting to wonder if we simply have in Brady a coordinator who is over his head, much like Babich.

 

I admit I'm speaking above my expertise (not hard to do), so If I'm being unfair or just plain wrong, please feel free to correct me.

[SirAndrew]

11 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So he goes from highest % to no jersey.  Maybe adjustments Should have been made before. 

My thoughts exactly when I heard this. It seems like poor management to go from being content with the wide receiver position in the offseason to benching your second year receiver. These things don’t typically happen over night. There should have been concerns and more urgency. 

[finn]

14 hours ago, Rockinon said:

Sitting Coleman is certainly shaking things up. Wonder what else is in store. I have always felt that Josh is often slow getting started in the passing game. He struggles often at the beginning of a game and then all of a sudden, he's locked in. Almost like he just needs to warm up. With the run game clicking the way it has, maybe it's just difficult to get locked in, not passing enough to get there. I think, putting 4 WRs on the field and letting Josh pick his poison early is a good way to get Josh going. Maybe we do see some of that.

You may be on to something. Like many quarterbacks, Allen might need to get in a rhythm, another reason he's not suited to be the game manager Brady wants him to be. For all the benefits of a balanced offense (no team runs more that the Bills), one potential downside is that the quarterback never gets into that rhythm. That seemed to be a key problem in the losses this season. Brady runs the ball a lot, then when it's stopped, he expects a relatively cold Allen to work his magic. 

[Big Turk]

Wow...wind speed picked up for today...winds around 22mph with gusts to 40+ mph 

 

Should make for a fun day for passing and kicking...

 

Precip potential dropped significantly to around only 20% so now should just be mostly cloudy...

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

 

Greg Roman 2.0???

[CirclnWagons]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Wow...wind speed picked up for today...winds around 22mph with gusts to 40+ mph 

 

Should make for a fun day for passing and kicking...

 

Precip potential dropped significantly to around only 20% so now should just be mostly cloudy...

 

Greg Roman 2.0???

Lucky for us, Brady refuses to dial up passes over 5 yds. Maybe this will be the first day that a bubble screen on 3rd and 19 will be actually be a plus!!

[KHAN]

11 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I guess maybe they were waiting for a player that could replace his role blocking, maybe they felt Shavers wasn't there. Now that Gabe Davis is available, if he's healthy he can at least perform Coleman's blocking assignments just as well.

Sometimes it seems like blocking is more important than being  a legit receiving threat at OBD. 

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This is where I have been for a while, everyone wants to talk about how much the WR's suck and I am not saying they are world beaters but there are other explanations that play a role.  I have been thinking about play design and the ridiculous amount of position groups for a while.  Sitting Keon I think is a good idea right now, not giving up on him but it has been too much Keon and Shavers.