Sauce Gardner to the Colts for 2 1st round picks (and AD Mitchell)

[BigDingus]

Just wanted to point out the Colts have the 4th best rush defense, are 7th in PPG, but 26th in pass defense. 

 

If this helps bolster their pass defense, they'll have legitimately strong D to go with a great offense. 

 

Never thought I'd see Daniel Jones as the league's leading passer over half way through the season, but here we are.

 

[Utah John]

The Jets did this a few years ago, robbing Seattle blind by trading Jamal Adams there for two first rounders.  Those picks helped the Jets ascend from terrible to mediocre. Now they're back to terrible, so they're trading away their two best defenders for more picks, plus they're in the running for the first overall pick in the next draft.  If the Jets were a competent organization I'd be worried about what they'll be like in 2028.  In the meantime, the Bills can keep racking up two wins each year.  

9 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Just wanted to point out the Colts have the 4th best rush defense, are 7th in PPG, but 26th in pass defense. 

 

If this helps bolster their pass defense, they'll have legitimately strong D to go with a great offense. 

 

Never thought I'd see Daniel Jones as the league's leading passer over half way through the season, but here we are.

 

Let's see how Jones does against strong defensive teams.  I don't think he can keep up his great stats.  

[Captain Hindsight]

34 minutes ago, Utah John said:

The Jets did this a few years ago, robbing Seattle blind by trading Jamal Adams there for two first rounders.  Those picks helped the Jets ascend from terrible to mediocre. Now they're back to terrible, so they're trading away their two best defenders for more picks, plus they're in the running for the first overall pick in the next draft.  If the Jets were a competent organization I'd be worried about what they'll be like in 2028.  In the meantime, the Bills can keep racking up two wins each year.  

  

They are the drought era Bills right now. They just gave up all their blue chip talent that are going to need to be replaced. So sure, they have a few extra picks but now they have a bigger talent gap

 

I just don't see the plan. I don't see Glenn as the guy to turn them around either 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Von Miller.

Kind of true, but of course that was an off-season free agent signing. I'm talking more about that trade deadline move that other playoff bound teams seem to make every year.

[Governor]

2 firsts? Wow that’s nuts.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Just wanted to point out the Colts have the 4th best rush defense, are 7th in PPG, but 26th in pass defense. 

 

If this helps bolster their pass defense, they'll have legitimately strong D to go with a great offense. 

 

Never thought I'd see Daniel Jones as the league's leading passer over half way through the season, but here we are.

 

Jones just had a FIVE TURNOVER game, 5!  They're taking a huge gamble here because if Jones is not the guy the loss of those two 1st round picks will prove devastating.  As it is even if Jones is the guy that was a very steep price to pay for a corner that hasn't looked that good over the last 2 seasons.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Jones just had a FIVE TURNOVER game, 5!  They're taking a huge gamble here because if Jones is not the guy the loss of those two 1st round picks will prove devastating.  As it is even if Jones is the guy that was a very steep price to pay for a corner that hasn't looked that good over the last 2 seasons.

 

 

It's ridiculous price for a corner 

 

I would trade two first round picks for deion Sanders.. sauce is good but that's a crazy price

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They are the drought era Bills right now. They just gave up all their blue chip talent that are going to need to be replaced. So sure, they have a few extra picks but now they have a bigger talent gap

 

I just don't see the plan. I don't see Glenn as the guy to turn them around either 

I can go both ways on this.

if the jets are 2 years out- next year getting their qb and finishing the cap reset and truly competing in 2027…

 

QW will be 29 turning 30 that season and final year of his deal. 
 

do you want 1 year of him in your window or a 1 and 2?

 

the sauce trade was just such a premium

 

plus it’s not just the picks but also $200M in cap space that can be rededicated to an actual plan. 

[Jrb1979]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Jones just had a FIVE TURNOVER game, 5!  They're taking a huge gamble here because if Jones is not the guy the loss of those two 1st round picks will prove devastating.  As it is even if Jones is the guy that was a very steep price to pay for a corner that hasn't looked that good over the last 2 seasons.

 

 

I look at it as if they win the Super Bowl this season it was worth the risk. 

[Captain Hindsight]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I can go both ways on this.

if the jets are 2 years out- next year getting their qb and finishing the cap reset and truly competing in 2027…

 

QW will be 29 turning 30 that season and final year of his deal. 
 

do you want 1 year of him in your window or a 1 and 2?

 

the sauce trade was just such a premium

 

plus it’s not just the picks but also $200M in cap space that can be rededicated to an actual plan. 

I get it, really I do. I’m just not confident that the Jets have the right people in place to use all the effectively. IMO Glenn has been a disaster, the owner is a donkey and that building has a culture of losing.

 

Why sign Gardner to a huge deal in July then trade him away? I get the compensation is great, but it undermines the current regime. Were they so bad in the assessment of where the team was in July that by November it’s time to blow it up?  Same thing with Fields, is he your guy or not? Owner says he sucks while signing his checks

 

Just lack of planning and direction from a team has desperately needed it for a decade + 

[Sierra Foothills]

16 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I don't think this is the Colts year. So I don't think this is a good deal.

But ... doesn't anyone here think this is the ballsy kind of move that we never do? The kind of deal that could actually confirm that management finally believes that this IS the year?

 

16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Von Miller.

 

Stefon Diggs.

 

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Holy cow the Jets fleeced them big time. Colts are all in on a SB run, but we just caught a glimpse of the old Daniel Jones versus TJ Watt and the Steelers. 3 picks and a miserable 13 QBR. I think they will eventually run into a buzz saw when they face a healthy Ravens or Bills. I don’t think they are the cream of the crop of the AFC despite their record. As far as the Jets and the AFCE as a whole…wow! Both NY & MIA are going to be primed to grab their future QBs as both will be picking very high. 

 

Hopefully a Zach Wilson/Mac Jones repeat. Tua also was a fairly recent top. pick in our division.

 

It's great having Josh.

 

16 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Jones has been great this year. He had 20 TDS entering Sunday. He finally has an Oline and decent talent around him 

 

And then Pittsburgh happened. Three INTs and 2 fumbles... oof!

 

13 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Kind of true, but of course that was an off-season free agent signing. I'm talking more about that trade deadline move that other playoff bound teams seem to make every year.

 

Nyheim Hines, Rasul Douglas, and Amari Cooper were all trade deadline acquisitions.... 3 years in a row.

 

7 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I look at it as if they win the Super Bowl this season it was worth the risk. 

 

I haven't seen Indy play this year so I can't say how close I think they are.

 

I guess we'll see soon enough.

 

 

Again it's weird timing that Irsay checked out this year of all years.

 

I saw where his famous rock memorabilia collection is going up for auction.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sierra Foothills

[eball]

16 hours ago, Utah John said:

Let's see how Jones does against strong defensive teams.  I don't think he can keep up his great stats.

 

He didn’t keep it up against a very mediocre defense last week.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I look at it as if they win the Super Bowl this season it was worth the risk. 

IMO, that's a big IF. The question is are the Colts the 2021 Rams and is Danial Jones Matthew Stafford?  They think so but I don't.  Two 1st round picks is a lot of draft capital for a corner back who has not played great the last 2 seasons. 

[zow2]

I think the Jets made out like bandits on their trades.  It seems like there's been good players traded in recent years who are in their prime and may get a 2nd, 3rd or 4th in return.  The asking prices really went up this season.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

17 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Never thought I'd see Daniel Jones as the league's leading passer over half way through the season, but here we are.

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

I think the Colts made a splash just to make a splash. I wonder how much cheaper a guy like Riq Woolen would have been? 

[mannc]

17 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Just wanted to point out the Colts have the 4th best rush defense, are 7th in PPG, but 26th in pass defense. 

 

If this helps bolster their pass defense, they'll have legitimately strong D to go with a great offense. 

 

Never thought I'd see Daniel Jones as the league's leading passer over half way through the season, but here we are.

 

This trade means that Indy is all-in on Dan Jones, and plans to sign him to a big extension.  I think that’s extremely risky.

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think the Colts made a splash just to make a splash. I wonder how much cheaper a guy like Riq Woolen would have been? 

Jim Irsay’s daughter is running that team as a very hands-on owner. She appears to have went all in to win one for pops. But it’s a giant risk. If Daniel Jones turns into Daniel Jones again, they’re hosed for two seasons.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

Jim Irsay’s daughter is running that team as a very hands-on owner. She appears to have went all in to win one for pops. But it’s a giant risk. If Daniel Jones turns into Daniel Jones again, they’re hosed for two seasons.

I agree. 

 

They either have to hope Jones has a Baker Mayfield like resurgence or that Anthony Richardson stops being...well ... Anthony Richardson. I don't see either happening.

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Jim Irsay’s daughter is running that team as a very hands-on owner. She appears to have went all in to win one for pops. But it’s a giant risk. If Daniel Jones turns into Daniel Jones again, they’re hosed for two seasons.

Sure that's a possibility that happens. What if the opposite happens and they win the Super Bowl? 

Then the deal was well worth it. 

 

IMO there is too much focus on future picks from this regime and fan base. 

The goal is to win a Super Bowl. 

 

It feels like Beane and many in this fan base have a different philosophy. Yes they want to win a Super Bowl. For them and many it's more important to be a consistent playoff team. Maybe one of these years luck goes their way and they win a Super Bowl. They aren't willing to mortgage the future for that. 

 

I would trade a Super Bowl win this season, if it means a return to the drought years going forward.