It's playoff time, under 2 minutes, down 4 points, we have the ball..............

[Mikie2times]

As we try to triangulate what this team can actually do in the postseason, I keep coming back to one thing, how do we execute a game winning drive in the postseason?

 

Historically, Allen has been among the best quarterbacks in football when it comes to high leverage, clutch drives. Yet we’ve now been in this exact same position back to back years and failed to deliver. I’m not revisiting those games to assign blame, that topic has been dissected to nauseating levels, but rather to ask with how this offense is constructed today, how do we see a two minute drill against a playoff caliber defense playing out?

 

We’re heavily reliant on methodically moving the ball, spamming Cook, spamming Shakir, spamming screens. Playing bigger sets, throwing to our TE's.  We don’t really have an offense that can operate efficiently in long yardage from my view. It would seem to me that we will need to revert to Allen putting the cape on, but maybe others feel different.   

 

So if we’re down four with two minutes left and the season on the line, do you think we score? What does that drive even look like when you strip away what gives this offense consistency, with Cook likely off the field, short passing limited, and defenses forcing us to win on the perimeter?

Edited 23 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Buffalo716]

Or we're up seven with 2 minutes left 

 

I don't see why we have to be down.. we have the most balanced offense in the NFL something Tom Brady won six Super bowls in New England with 

 

We literally were less healthy than the Chiefs yesterday and bullied them.. no if we see them again in January.. I think we're winning by more than seven

 

And yeah I never doubt Josh if we are down with 2 minutes left even if he doesn't get it done 100% of the time.. he's going to get it done more than any quarterback alive

Edited 23 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Draconator]

I think Brady might have turned the corner. Yesterday, 3rd and 3, late in the 4th quarter, Cook in the backfield with Josh in the shotgun. Swing pass to Cook for the first down. I would hope to see this with the game on the line in the playoffs. 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Or we're up seven with 2 minutes left 

 

I don't see why we have to be down.. we have the most balanced offense in the NFL something Tom Brady won six Super bowls in New England with 

 

We literally were less healthy than the Chiefs yesterday and bullied them.. no if we see them again in January.. I think we're winning by more than seven

 

And yeah I never doubt Josh if we are down with 2 minutes left even if he doesn't get it done 100% of the time.. he's going to get it done more than any quarterback alive

 

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

I think Brady might have turned the corner. Yesterday, 3rd and 3, late in the 4th quarter, Cook in the backfield with Josh in the shotgun. Swing pass to Cook for the first down. I would hope to see this with the game on the line in the playoffs. 

The clock killing throw to Cook was big. Great seeing. I don't see much of that playing out in a true 2 minute drill, Cook wasn't even on the field last year. I don't think he would in this situation either. @Buffalo716 The question is specifically about the offense in this situation. We all can hope we never face such a situation. So your vote is Allen to put a cape on? 

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

The clock killing throw to Cook was big. Great seeing. I don't see much of that playing out in a true 2 minute drill, Cook wasn't even on the field last year. I don't think he would in this situation either. @Buffalo716 The question is specifically about the offense in this situation. We all can hope we never face such a situation. So your vote is Allen to put a cape on? 

 

I mean if you're just saying we're down 4 with 2 minutes left in the game and we have the ball in the playoffs 

 

I'm going to give Josh a 60-65% chance of being able to get it done

 

Probably more than any quarterback in the league outside mahomes who I would also probably have around 60 65% on a true game-winning drive 

 

Considering cook could potentially be the offensive player of the year this year I am putting him on the field in this 2 minute drive.. and I would even be willing to hand it off a few times especially if we had three timeouts ... I know Cook's not always on the field at the end of the game for the last couple years but something tells me this year he will be especially in a win take all game

 

The one thing Josh is typically tremendous at is 2 minute drills.. historically in his career he is much better than your average starting quarterback in the NFL 

 

And defenses typically play a softer shell not trying to give up a one play Big score.. if you're going to go press man with Josh with 2 minutes left, Kincaid is going to run open and Josh is going to be able to run up the gut because everybody's back is turned in man 

 

The defense is also getting paid to make plays and they are also professionals but no quarterback will get it done 100% of the time... But yeah I have faith that Josh 65% of the time will get that drive done 

 

Your typical NFL quarterback is lower than that

Edited 23 hours ago by Buffalo716

[strive_for_five_guy]

That’s why we have big game Gabe waiting in the wings

[Tenhigh]

Watching that hurry up offense yesterday, I think we have the blueprint. 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

As we try to triangulate what this team can actually do in the postseason, I keep coming back to one thing, how do we execute a game winning drive in the postseason?

 

Historically, Allen has been among the best quarterbacks in football when it comes to high leverage, clutch drives. Yet we’ve now been in this exact same position back to back years and failed to deliver. I’m not revisiting those games to assign blame, that topic has been dissected to nauseating levels, but rather to ask with how this offense is constructed today, how do we see a two minute drill against a playoff caliber defense playing out?

 

We’re heavily reliant on methodically moving the ball, spamming Cook, spamming Shakir, spamming screens. Playing bigger sets, throwing to our TE's.  We don’t really have an offense that can operate efficiently in long yardage from my view. It would seem to me that we will need to revert to Allen putting the cape on, but maybe others feel different.   

 

So if we’re down four with two minutes left and the season on the line, do you think we score? What does that drive even look like when you strip away what gives this offense consistency, with Cook likely off the field, short passing limited, and defenses forcing us to win on the perimeter?

It is actually not about Josh.   The OL and the WRs need to play with that their hair is on fire....We have not had it and asking Josh to play hero ball is still not going to cut it.   Even  Diggs disappeared in those playoff moments. 

[sullim4]

Dalton Kincaid is the x-factor - I think he's the guy that steps up in this situation, particularly if the middle of the field is an option and McD hasn't yet burned the timeouts on defense.  I also would like to see Cook involved more in the passing game in these situations as a checkdown rather than Allen default to running.

 

I just don't trust Coleman to make a play in these situations.  Oddly Dawson Knox, for all the times early in the game that he has hands of stone, often steps up late in the game.

[oldmanfan]

You put the ball in the hands of your best players - Allen, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid.   

[Mikie2times]

32 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

Dalton Kincaid is the x-factor - I think he's the guy that steps up in this situation, particularly if the middle of the field is an option and McD hasn't yet burned the timeouts on defense.  I also would like to see Cook involved more in the passing game in these situations as a checkdown rather than Allen default to running.

 

I just don't trust Coleman to make a play in these situations.  Oddly Dawson Knox, for all the times early in the game that he has hands of stone, often steps up late in the game.

 

24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You put the ball in the hands of your best players - Allen, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid.   

My opinion is Cook won't be on the field. As much as I don't like it. In a no huddle where you can't sub easily Johnson is the guy in the game and has been for virtually every high leverage two minute drill we have had. Shakir will be heavily minimized by the situation. He's not catching a lot of balls 10+ yards downfield. It's nearly all at the line of scrimmage. I trust Kincaid the most as an option, but I don't know how much we will scheme him open in such a situation. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

As we try to triangulate what this team can actually do in the postseason, I keep coming back to one thing, how do we execute a game winning drive in the postseason?

 

Historically, Allen has been among the best quarterbacks in football when it comes to high leverage, clutch drives. Yet we’ve now been in this exact same position back to back years and failed to deliver. I’m not revisiting those games to assign blame, that topic has been dissected to nauseating levels, but rather to ask with how this offense is constructed today, how do we see a two minute drill against a playoff caliber defense playing out?

 

We’re heavily reliant on methodically moving the ball, spamming Cook, spamming Shakir, spamming screens. Playing bigger sets, throwing to our TE's.  We don’t really have an offense that can operate efficiently in long yardage from my view. It would seem to me that we will need to revert to Allen putting the cape on, but maybe others feel different.   

 

So if we’re down four with two minutes left and the season on the line, do you think we score? What does that drive even look like when you strip away what gives this offense consistency, with Cook likely off the field, short passing limited, and defenses forcing us to win on the perimeter?

Id say rewatch the Ravens game as what it looks like if we have to flip the switch.  And I don’t think McD will let Brady leave Cook off the field for a drive like that again personally 

[That's No Moon]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

As we try to triangulate what this team can actually do in the postseason, I keep coming back to one thing, how do we execute a game winning drive in the postseason?

 

Historically, Allen has been among the best quarterbacks in football when it comes to high leverage, clutch drives. Yet we’ve now been in this exact same position back to back years and failed to deliver. I’m not revisiting those games to assign blame, that topic has been dissected to nauseating levels, but rather to ask with how this offense is constructed today, how do we see a two minute drill against a playoff caliber defense playing out?

 

We’re heavily reliant on methodically moving the ball, spamming Cook, spamming Shakir, spamming screens. Playing bigger sets, throwing to our TE's.  We don’t really have an offense that can operate efficiently in long yardage from my view. It would seem to me that we will need to revert to Allen putting the cape on, but maybe others feel different.   

 

So if we’re down four with two minutes left and the season on the line, do you think we score? What does that drive even look like when you strip away what gives this offense consistency, with Cook likely off the field, short passing limited, and defenses forcing us to win on the perimeter?

Thank you for triggering my PTSD in November rather than January.

[Comebackkid]

the problem is in the playoffs lately, we just turtle.   we take zero risks. look at last year against the chiefs, we couldnt get out of our

own way.   was yesterday diff? sure but normally we are more aggressive during the season.

but you watch Kc or some other teams and when its on the wire the pull something special out of the bag.   even on the play where they tricked 

bosa..its a couple special plays.  so far in the situation brady has revertered to asinine play calling.   

so I stil dont trust him in big moments.

Against the chiefs he ran and ran and when he couldnt run he threw the ball a couple times and then ran and ran some more.

It was effective but it wasnt nec brilliant.   

[transient]

Who are we playing, how many time outs do we have, and more importantly how many time outs do they have? Even with this offense, two minutes is an eternity. 

[Mikie2times]

46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Id say rewatch the Ravens game as what it looks like if we have to flip the switch.  And I don’t think McD will let Brady leave Cook off the field for a drive like that again personally 

You think Allen is just going to throw it all over the field in that spot?

[BuffaloBillyG]

Ok. Here's what we do 

 

1. Lock Joe Brady in a closet.

2. Let Josh call what plays he feels comfortable with.

3. Let Josh run

4. Target Cook, Kincaid, Shakir and whomever it is that we aquire at WR tomorrow.

5. Win the game. 

[TH3]

Ummm..what D are our opponents in?

[Gregg]

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

 

My opinion is Cook won't be on the field. As much as I don't like it. In a no huddle where you can't sub easily Johnson is the guy in the game and has been for virtually every high leverage two minute drill we have had. Shakir will be heavily minimized by the situation. He's not catching a lot of balls 10+ yards downfield. It's nearly all at the line of scrimmage. I trust Kincaid the most as an option, but I don't know how much we will scheme him open in such a situation. 

 

Cook has taken his game to another level this year. He has almost 900 yards rushing and the Bills still have 9 games to play. In a do or die situation I think the Bills have him out there. He is not out there to block. Allen will try to get him the ball in open spaces so he can go make a play. He is a threat to take it to the house from anywhere on the field. 

[GunnerBill]

Yea I am concerned that we are not built to get it done in that scenario. It is so hard in those situations if you can't threaten deep or outside. Because the opposition will let you have the short passes in the middle knowing that the chances are time runs out on you or rushes you into a mistake. 

 

Of course there is a chance we can find a deep seam to Kincaid or Shakir can catch a short one and make magic but you are kind of limited to one of those things happening and if they don't you're toast.