Bills Don't have Receiver Problem, they have a perception problem-- Jim Kubiak BN

[BearNorth]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Allen had ... never a Defense he can count on when it matters 

 

This..-when your HC spent his entire career on the defensive side of the ball.  SMH 

[T.E.]

We have gotten way too fearful of turning the ball over, and that message has turned what once was a gunslinger QB into a tentative game manager. An interception here and there is not the end of the world, particularly on passes 20+ yards down the field.

 

The adage of needing to crack a few eggs to make an omlette is relative here - we do not have the horses to consistently pull off 10+ play drives all game, nor should we be limiting offensive possessions with an MVP under center. The coaching staff's gameplan and quarterback are completely mismatched.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Were you around for the 90s teams? As anyone who was should recognize that high flying offenses can be stopped and when they do your defense has to be even better to allow you to win. Give me a strong opposition that can stop the opposition every time over the latter. 

and KC has been able to stop us on our last drive the last two times we've been eliminated from the playoffs. Yes, Josh played great in those games but he still wasn't good enough. and no I'm not giving the defense a pass but hey if your defense not playing it's best than the offense has to play even better to win. 

I don’t disagree, but does Kelce make the catch Kincaid couldn’t?

 

I think we all know the answer to that. 
 

Get Allen legitimate weapons because we all know they haven’t shown they can build a Defense he can depend on when it matters. 
 

Why does Allen have to go up against an elite KC Defense in the Playoffs every year, with meh weapons.. while Mahomes gets to play our routinely decimated Defense that can’t stop anyone?

 

They don’t play each other… they play the others Defense.. and it’s beyond tiring watching Allen go toe to toe with Mahomes with lesser weapons, against a tougher, better coached playoff Defense … and always lose with this formula. 
 

Edited 3 hours ago by SCBills

[Goin Breakdown]

32 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

No, Jim. We indeed have a receiver problem. No one can get open, which also forces us to turn to the run. I fear that soon that will lead to a RB problem  because Cook is taking a lot of hits and we have no capable RB behind him to take some of the early season wear and tear off.

 

We are one dimensional with the most gifted QB on Earth. It's like taking the tires off a Ferrari and replacing them with sandbags.

I'm with you. Problem now is that we win so some people are going back to the whole "we're winning what are you complaining about" mindset. Time will tell who is right so I can't fault anyone for having opinions but I too think that as our running game gets figured out and defended well against we will need to go to the passing game that just hasn't had the consistency and talent to demand a ton of respect from the opposing teams. 

[Matt_In_NH]

If people are expecting a fast receiver to have  a dramatic change is wishful thinking.  If they trade for a guy he will play 40% of snaps.   Scheme and Josh adjusting to what defenses are doing are the things that will fix the passing game.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, vincec said:

I’ve never been a big fan of the whole “complimentary football” concept.  I think the offense should be doing everything possible to score points and put as much pressure on the opposing team as possible. Hurry up offense; 5 WR sets; whatever works. Stopping the other offense is not their problem, IMO.

The ebb and flow of nfl roster construction is pretty interesting…I think we’re at a point where most defenses just don’t have the personnel to stop a team that can run it well out of heavier sets because everyone went all in on rushing the passer / taking the passing game away.

I really think the bills are kinda doing what puts the most pressure possible on the opposing defenses and fans just aren’t entertained by it. Of course we should definitely add a wr…not disagreeing with that, but all this general hate for a good running game is pretty wild to me.  If the chiefs had this in their bag of tricks I don’t think they’d ever lose 

 

[Casey D]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The ebb and flow of nfl roster construction is pretty interesting…I think we’re at a point where most defenses just don’t have the personnel to stop a team that can run it well out of heavier sets because everyone went all in on rushing the passer / taking the passing game away.

I really think the bills are kinda doing what puts the most pressure possible on the opposing defenses and fans just aren’t entertained by it. Of course we should definitely add a wr…not disagreeing with that, but all this general hate for a good running game is pretty wild to me.  If the chiefs had this in their bag of tricks I don’t think they’d ever lose 

 

Good points.  And I agree a speedy boundary receiver would be great and give defenses one more thing to think about.

[Chaos]

30 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

If people are expecting a fast receiver to have  a dramatic change is wishful thinking.  If they trade for a guy he will play 40% of snaps.   Scheme and Josh adjusting to what defenses are doing are the things that will fix the passing game.  

All three of these things can be true at the same time:
 

1. The Bills WR corp is a liability and is not competetive the other top teams vying for the Super Bowl
2. Adding 1 WR at the trade deadline won't fundmentally change the problem in #1
3. Adding 1 WR at the trade deadline has the potentially to directionally move the needle in the direction of #1

Edited 2 hours ago by Chaos

[henry jones]

37 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’d contend that if our WR’s aren’t capable of doing things Allen is comfortable with, thus making him regress with the solution seeming to be forcing him into becoming a game manager, that it’s indeed a problem. 
 

We also don’t have the Defense, at least historically, to beat teams when it matters with ball control. 
 

This concept requires having a Defense that can hold an opposing QB below 30 in high leverage games. 
 

Also, Brady made mention of us only getting 8 drives per game.  The Offense is cognizant of the games being shortened and that surely leads to Allen pressing. 

Instead of all this soul searching and wanting Allen to be Brock Purdy, maybe we can just get him a WR… I know, crazy concept. 
 

 

IMO this is the biggest issue with JA and the offense.  When you know you basically have to score with every possession, it puts undue pressure on the whole mechanism.  

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

If people are expecting a fast receiver to have  a dramatic change is wishful thinking.  If they trade for a guy he will play 40% of snaps.   Scheme and Josh adjusting to what defenses are doing are the things that will fix the passing game.  

Cooper opened things up last year after a similar slump just by being out there.  
 

Why do we need to act like a WR upgrade wouldn’t change much?

 

It would.. and will open things up enough to help Allen see more clearly what teams are doing.   Thus helping him to play better in structure.   We literally saw this happen last year. 
 

3 minutes ago, henry jones said:

IMO this is the biggest issue with JA and the offense.  When you know you basically have to score with every possession, it puts undue pressure on the whole mechanism.  

When I saw Brady make mention that we only get about 8 drives per game, I cringed. 
 

If he knows this.. Allen knows this.  And to come out and say it, means it’s stressing them.  
 

And it’s a massively underreported strain on this Offense. 

Edited 2 hours ago by SCBills

[vincec]

18 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Were you around for the 90s teams? As anyone who was should recognize that high flying offenses can be stopped and when they do your defense has to be even better to allow you to win. Give me a strong opposition that can stop the opposition every time over the latter. 

and KC has been able to stop us on our last drive the last two times we've been eliminated from the playoffs. Yes, Josh played great in those games but he still wasn't good enough. and no I'm not giving the defense a pass but hey if your defense not playing it's best than the offense has to play even better to win. 

Absolutely. When your offense is getting stopped there is more pressure on your defense irregardless of your offensive philosophy. The issue in the 90s was supposedly that the defense didn’t have time to rest if the offense went three and out, or similar, while running hurry up. However, if those defenses got off the field more consistently on third downs then they wouldn’t be so tired.

[milfandcookies]

Every time they throw it behind the line to someone who is not good it is a bad thing. 
 

Keep the ball with Josh Allen and let him throw it or run it 

[Pete]

Good article.  No doubt we want to continue to run the ball.   Cook is amazing, our OL smashes, Bills have a top running game. After a couple Cook long runs, that’s a great time for play action.  That is complimentary football.  We need to incorporate more action.  And more passing out of 12 and 13 personal. All set up by the run.  Complimentary football.

Edited 2 hours ago by Pete

[Captain Hindsight]

50 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Hurts has Brown and Smith

Burrow when healthy has Chase and Higgins

Dak has CEE-DEE and Pickens

Allen has what at the WR position that would be considered elite... NOTHING!!!

 

 

He has a lot of guys I like as receivers, but no one has some elite skill (maybe Shakir on screens)

 

Palmer is a good player, but does nothing at an elite level. Same with Samuel, or Keon. What trait do they have that wins consistently? 
 

Moving on from Diggs was probably the right call, but the replacements have been subpar at best

48 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Why do people want to convince themselves that a quality receiver isn't essential or even needed? Josh hasn't been great, but he will play better for sure, especially if Beane provides a lift to the offense in the form of a threat. The problem is obvious to the eye, secondaries are playing "downhill" against us. I remember some plays vs Atlanta, and even against Carolina, where the I couldn't believe how fast the secondary was moving up and closing on the receiver routes. No fear at all!!

I said to my BIL against Carolina, that a double move would score a TD on some of these plays. 
 

Hopefully they are saving them for Kc

[Simon]

52 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Burrow when healthy has Chase and Higgins

Dak has CEE-DEE and Pickens

Allen has what at the WR position that would be considered elite... NOTHING!!!

 

With any luck, the Bills will also begin sinking all their draft capital and cap space into the WR position instead of the offensive and defensive lines so that they too can be under .500!  

[Psautcsk]

25 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm with you. Problem now is that we win so some people are going back to the whole "we're winning what are you complaining about" mindset. Time will tell who is right so I can't fault anyone for having opinions but I too think that as our running game gets figured out and defended well against we will need to go to the passing game that just hasn't had the consistency and talent to demand a ton of respect from the opposing teams. 

If the Chiefs stop the run or we are behind by multiple scores, then what? Punt, punt, punt...

[Gugny]

Anyone saying the Bills don’t have a WR problem shouldn’t be allowed to drive or have children. 

[BillsShredder83]

54 minutes ago, First Round Bust said:

WGR AM show brought up an interesting point yesterday...historically thrwoing the long ball (touch, loft, accuracy) has not been one of Josh strenghts...a point I have made over the years as well..partly his fault, partly the WR issue...resulting the OC play-calling not having confidence in that play and talking himself out of it ??? flame on...    

I dont think anybody is asking for a deep ball attack from this team.

 

The most impressive tool in Josh 's game is the intermediate lazers. I get defenses bottling deep stuff away from us... we cant willingly let them bottle us up to a 5yds or less pass system. Got to find a way to make teams respect more of the field 

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, First Round Bust said:

WGR AM show brought up an interesting point yesterday...historically thrwoing the long ball (touch, loft, accuracy) has not been one of Josh strenghts...a point I have made over the years as well..partly his fault, partly the WR issue...resulting the OC play-calling not having confidence in that play and talking himself out of it ??? flame on...    

100%

Josh has never been a great deep ball thrower. Even many of his big downfield completions have resulted in players having to slow down, reposition, jump for the ball. It's not like watching prime Brady/Rodgers where he hits his man in stride on a Go and he runs the rest of the way in for a TD. On intermediate routes and in the redzone he's deadly, but the whole time people have been clamoring for a "deep threat", I've been wondering what exactly they're expecting us to do with them.

[BuffaloRebound]

At a minumum we need a WR that can get open 15-20 yards down the field.  We are way too 1 dimensional on offense.  Cook is awesome and the short passing game is effective, but good teams will take that away.  Right now we have no counterpunch to that.