What's wrong with Josh?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, Brand J said:

...the long ball to Robert Foster against the Jags...

THERE'S THE PROBLEM!!!

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If Beane had any sense, Robert 'HoF' Foster would be in house now, filling out the roster with another former and future Buffalo Bills sure handed WR.

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😉

[dorquemada]

What Beane and McD have done to allen is criminal malpractice.   They've taken a generational talent and tried to turn him into Brock Milquetoast Purdy.  Why would you trade draft picks and make him the face of the franchise just to forge an identity of dink & dunk. Strait up boring football.  If Beane had built even a C+ defense, it would be one thing but he consistently wastes draft picks on guys like Elam and Basham.  

[frostbitmic]

30 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

1st down, run Cook, 2 yards

2nd down, nobody is open. Josh scramble 2 yards

3rd down, what the hell nobody is open, 5 yards pass to Shaiker..

4th down punt.

Where's the Offensive Holding penalty, we're playing the Chiefs ?

[dorquemada]

56 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

1st down, run Cook, 2 yards

2nd down, nobody is open. Josh scramble 2 yards

3rd down, what the hell nobody is open, 5 yards pass to Shaiker..

4th down punt.

 

only quibble would be that this season, the Shakir pass is 3 yards behind the LOS and he gets hit and still somehow gets positive yards, alas, not enough for the 1st

 

this is a brilliant offensive scheme

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

He certainly makes his point verbally but the two clips he showed were terrible examples to represent what he’s getting at. 
 

The first is a reception where the DB is playing well off coverage on a slant. This doesn’t highlight anything he’s discussing (separation, awareness, etc.)

 

The second is a terribly constructed route combination of 2 on 3 in a zone that spanned about 5 yards of the football field. He can argue lazy route and loafing on this but again there is just so much at play here. 
 

If anything was lazy it’s that Smith didn’t take the 10 minutes he could have to find actual examples that reflect his more valid criticisms. He did that in his review last year. 
 

Again I’m not disagreeing with his analysis but he film review was weak. There are 3 plays alone in the first half that Keon was open later, or could have been targeted and Allen got off him quickly. I don’t know why he wouldn’t use these examples. 

That's not true regarding awareness on the first play. Smith argues and shows that Coleman never looks at where the DB is, and the way he catches it illuminates this. This is a play that arguably could have gone for more yards if he catches it with his hands and turns upfield immediately rather than hugging it and slowing down. Maybe he's gunshy because of the fumble vs NE, but that's not elite (or even good) receiver-level play. As for the other one, it was a piss poor effort. I don't think that's debatable. During the game thread, commenters thought so too. He doesn't come back for the ball at all but just stands there. Maybe it wasn't a great route combination, but you gotta do better than that.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

It’s insane to me that he has over 70 rushing TDs. Who would’ve thought this about Josh Allen coming out of college that he would be such a force on ground and specifically red zone. I can’t wait until he breaks Cam Newtons record 

[LabattBlue]

Does Josh still work with his QB whisperer?  Enquiring minds want to know! 🤔

[jethro_tull]

Has it been noted in this thread that JA has not been practicing (Tuesday and Wednesday?) 

[zow2]

11 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

Has it been noted in this thread that JA has not been practicing (Tuesday and Wednesday?) 

 

The first injury report of the week was for Wednesday 10/29 and JA17 was not listed on there.  Not even for vet rest.

[jethro_tull]

18 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

The first injury report of the week was for Wednesday 10/29 and JA17 was not listed on there.  Not even for vet rest.

I heard it on One Bills Live yesterday and found the search today that said he was taking a mental reset.   Dam AI maybe? 

[HappyDays]

With the caveat that QBR can be wonky, but this matches the eye test. When Allen gets out of the pocket he isn't finding anybody working open for him downfield, or the intended receiver isn't making a clean catch along the sideline. This alone might explain the difference between the passing game numbers last year versus this year. Most of our explosive pass plays last year were off schedule. This year those plays just aren't happening.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

With the caveat that QBR can be wonky, but this matches the eye test. When Allen gets out of the pocket he isn't finding anybody working open for him downfield, or the intended receiver isn't making a clean catch along the sideline. This alone might explain the difference between the passing game numbers last year versus this year. Most of our explosive pass plays last year were off schedule. This year those plays just aren't happening.

 

I agree with this (and we discussed in the offseason too) but I think Josh is also leaving the pocket too early more often this year, it's like he thinks "can't see a big play, let me extend and get outside and something might happen." He needs to trust what is happening a bit more, but the receivers need to get open for him much more often.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree with this (and we discussed in the offseason too) but I think Josh is also leaving the pocket too early more often this year, it's like he thinks "can't see a big play, let me extend and get outside and something might happen." He needs to trust what is happening a bit more, but the receivers need to get open for him much more often.

 

I was sitting in the endzone and there was a particular play on 3rd down where Allen left the pocket early....like real early without any pressure and of course went to his right.

On the left, Elijah Moore was wide, wide open coming at me.  It was one of those "ugghhh" moments.  

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree with this (and we discussed in the offseason too) but I think Josh is also leaving the pocket too early more often this year, it's like he thinks "can't see a big play, let me extend and get outside and something might happen." He needs to trust what is happening a bit more, but the receivers need to get open for him much more often.

 

I think that's fair. Rolling to his right has been almost an automatic big play for him throughout his career so it's a habit that's been positively reinforced and that makes it hard to break. This is the first year where those plays are hurting us more than they're helping us. Since a bunch of new WR talent isn't walking through the door Allen might need to adjust his approach.

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think that's fair. Rolling to his right has been almost an automatic big play for him throughout his career so it's a habit that's been positively reinforced and that makes it hard to break. This is the first year where those plays are hurting us more than they're helping us. Since a bunch of new WR talent isn't walking through the door Allen might need to adjust his approach.

I'm not so sure 

Pass pro has not been great this yr

 

I don't think asking him to sit in a muddy pocket and try to throw a bunch of marginal wideouts open is a good idea