Bills are just 4 games away from being the most patient fanbase in the Super Bowl era.

[Chaos]

Theory 1:  every NFL management team in the Super Bowl has pulled the plug early on a coach or QB and only the Bills are doing it correctly. 
Theory 2: we are well past the conventional time for making a change in one of these roles. 

NFL's Longest Lasting Coach-Quarterback Duos to Never Reach a Super Bowl

Edited 3 hours ago by Chaos

[DrDawkinstein]

Are these HC/QB combos with most games and no SB?

[boyst]

This was a big topic 2 years ago where no QB/coach combo has won a Superbowl for the first time after being together for more than 3 years.

[Doc Brown]

It's amazing how similar the Ravens and Bills are.  Unprecedented in terms of overall record over a long period of time with the same HC/franchise QB without a Super Bowl appearance.  Hats off to the Chiefs I guess.

[Chaos]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Are these HC/QB combos with most games and no SB?

Yes, that would be include in the original post 😀

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's amazing how similar the Ravens and Bills are.  Unprecedented in terms of overall record over a long period of time with the same HC/franchise QB without a Super Bowl appearance.  Hats off to the Chiefs I guess.

Pats won twice, Bengals went once. 

 

[MPL]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

This was a big topic 2 years ago where no QB/coach combo has won a Superbowl for the first time after being together for more than 3 years.

It's 5 years, but yes, still very much true. In fact, no Head Coach/Starting QB combo has even reached their first Super Bowl together after their first 6 years. And the 6th year only happened once (Reid/McNabb in Philly). 

I'm very fascinated by this data point and actually have it all laid out in a spreadsheet, which gets updated after every Super Bowl. 

Edited 3 hours ago by MPL

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Yes, that would be include in the original post 😀

It isn't included, which is why he asked.

[transient]

Yes, but that's only because Marvin Lewis managed to break Carson Palmer so he had to start his streak all over again with a brand spankin' new QB in Andy Dalton. Way to go, Marvin, on your record setting back-to-back suckage!! 

[bills_fan]

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's amazing how similar the Ravens and Bills are.  Unprecedented in terms of overall record over a long period of time with the same HC/franchise QB without a Super Bowl appearance.  Hats off to the Chiefs I guess.

 

 

Well thats exactly it.  In the OP's chart, our record (and Ravens) are far and away above that of anyone else.  Both teams have run into the Chiefs dynasty.  Kinda why guys like Malone, Barkley, Ewing etc. retired ringless in the NBA from the 90s..their primes were at the same time as Jordan's or Hakeem's.  Hats off to KC.  To be the man, gotta beat the man.  And its that time IMHO...

 

There is also the fact that McD is not perfect, there are a handful of coaches who I believe are better.  But....if you make that kinda change, you better be right.  Cause then you really blow Allen's prime if you are wrong.  Only coach in the last 5 years I would have made the move for would have been Vrabel.  Just my $0.02.

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Yes, that would be include in the original post 😀

Pats won twice, Bengals went once. 

 

And ravens have only met chiefs once in postseason iirc

[Gregg]

30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's amazing how similar the Ravens and Bills are.  Unprecedented in terms of overall record over a long period of time with the same HC/franchise QB without a Super Bowl appearance.  Hats off to the Chiefs I guess.

 

But the Ravens do have two Super Bowl wins in their history. The Bills have nothing unless you count the AFL championships from 1964 and 65.

[NoSaint]

Do we think we have more of an Andy dalton problem or a Marvin Lewis/norv Turner problem?

[NoSaint]

16 minutes ago, bills_fan said:

 

 

Well thats exactly it.  In the OP's chart, our record (and Ravens) are far and away above that of anyone else.  Both teams have run into the Chiefs dynasty.  Kinda why guys like Malone, Barkley, Ewing etc. retired ringless in the NBA from the 90s..their primes were at the same time as Jordan's or Hakeem's.  Hats off to KC.  To be the man, gotta beat the man.  And its that time IMHO...

 

There is also the fact that McD is not perfect, there are a handful of coaches who I believe are better.  But....if you make that kinda change, you better be right.  Cause then you really blow Allen's prime if you are wrong.  Only coach in the last 5 years I would have made the move for would have been Vrabel.  Just my $0.02.

 Disagree tremendously. 
 

plug in any top 30 coach and really how far backwards do you go? Minimally at most 

 

 

[MPL]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Do we think we have more of an Andy dalton problem or a Marvin Lewis/norv Turner problem?

suppose we'll find out on Sunday if we have an Andy Dalton problem. 

[Goin Breakdown]

Dear Mr Beane,

 

Get rid of Josh and I can start a new 5 year process. 

Trust it,

Sean

Edited 2 hours ago by Goin Breakdown

[cgang]

We’ve been patient because we lived thru a really painful period of mediocrity.  And because Josh is like a bright light that has out shown the problems many of us moths would normally key in on. 
 

but that’s been eroding.  Josh is still Josh but the ineptitude from front office to build around him and poor coaching decisions are weakening that patience.  

[uticaclub]

Will it end at 142 or continue forever?

[Fleezoid]

For a lot of us, the "patience" started in the 70s. 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, MPL said:

It's 5 years, but yes, still very much true. In fact, no Head Coach/Starting QB combo has even reached their first Super Bowl together after their first 6 years. And the 6th year only happened once (Reid/McNabb in Philly). 

I think Madden/Stabler did in the 70's

 

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

It isn't included, which is why he asked.

I meant to say it would be "good to include in the original post". Then i updated the post. Two bads. 

[Lionel Hutz]

And it will never change because winning the division and making the playoffs is good enough for the Pegulas. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Lionel Hutz