Sean took exception to Brady's decisions, did NOT "rip him a new one" but I like to exaggerate

[JBI$111]

Brady is a middle of the ground pedestrian and mediocre offensive coordinator, a generally poor play caller and even worse at scheming wide receivers open or designing solid creative plays that are actually creative and effective. When they run, it's obvious... there's a running back in the backfield... when they pass, there's nobody in the backfield and then the play becomes obvious to the defense. This has been a constant.

 

All the run plays are generally just right up the middle into the heart of the defensive line of the other team, he is clueless about scheming people open or creating effective: keyword "effective" solid creative plays. The cute stuff is stupidly designed and not creative or effective at all. He just comes up with an idiotic designed play that most of the time fails and is called at the wrong time. IMHO, that's really not being creative, that means that you really have no idea how to create effective plays that work and know what to call and when to call it. They can't even execute some of those stupid plays correctly.

 

Why isn't he using some or all of our running backs who can all catch well out of the backfield on 3rd Downs when they're rushing so Josh has a quick outlet to Cook, Ty or Davis, they are all are good pass catchers. That's just one thing that they should be doing more of, but there's a laundry list.

 

As far as the defense, I don't think they'll ever get it straightened out with McDermott. They need a real good defensive coordinator or at least have McDermott call the plays again, which may not be a great improvement...lol, but certainly better than Babich.

 

If you look at the receivers on most any other team, when the quarterback throws to them, they're wide open constantly against our defense. A lot of it has to do with having solid designed plays and or scheming the wide receivers open and also having wide receivers that can actually separate! Furthermore, it's also because of McDermott's stupid constant soft zone and nickel defense that he stubbornly never changes. Any of the backs or people in the backfield are like 10 yds plus away from the receivers when they catch the ball. They're generally wide open.

 

Plus, all the bad drafting by Beane and the piss poor scouting department that can't judge talent over many years, bad free agent acquisitions, bloated contracts, overpaid mediocre players, not knowing when to let somebody go and not knowing when to keep people and of course, McDermott's perpetual life cycle of poorly prepared defenses and horrible play calling, especially in the biggest moments. All this is catching up to the whole organization and where we're at currently.

 

I think most people are tired of this stagnation year after year, which amounts to never getting to the promised land. Not sure either of them are the right people to get the Bill's to a super bowl and actually win it. Also, they've wasted so many peak years of Josh Allen's career by the constant incompetence in many facets. And yes, that means rarely ever having top quality weapons and especially top quality wide receivers acquired or drafted for Josh to utilize that can actually get open. 

 

I'm just still pissed off when I think about the whole mess and the way they always lose and lose at the most inopportune times or in the games they really need to play well and win. The end result is always the same, never getting over the hump. 

 

All right rant off!

Edited 2 hours ago by JBI$111

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You don't generally solve blitzes with the oline pass blocking. You have two ways: one is to run some more max protect stuff - which the Bills did on some play action looks and Josh had a fair amount of time on some of those, the problem is it means you have two receivers out in the pattern and with the Bills guys there is no way they are separating 2 v 4 against a secondary. The second is to build a ton of hots into your routes. I agree the Bills can do better in a gameplanning sense there but also there were some that were there and Allen held the ball. I'm not blaming Josh, but he got to the point on Monday that he wasn't trust what was around him and wasn't trusting what he was seeing. 

I don’t know if I've actually witnessed us use a hot read during a blitz in the last several years. Even dating back to Daboll.  Tom Brady made a career of ensuring if a blitz was coming,  he had a hot read to throw to. These coordinators just act like "well Josh will just scramble out of it"....you cannot run an offense that way.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

and if he played worse than great vs Baltimore we lose

 

as @HappyDayssays- one of the worst relics of McDermott are the fans who have been conditioned to blame Allen for anything less than mvp level play

 

Every off game that Allen has, we lose. I mean we've even managed to lose some of his all-time best games, but his off games are guaranteed losses. And I mean off for him, relative to the rest of the league even his off games are still good. Atlanta was the first game this year which I thought was legitimately an off game for him and that capped us at two good drives for the entire game.

 

Allen in some sense is the victim of his own success. Because he occasionally goes nuclear the fanbase has come to expect it. So whenever he is anything less than exceptional and we lose, you start seeing the posts about how "he's as responsible for the loss as anybody." I've really gotten sick of it. QBs can have an off game and their team can still win. But in Buffalo we have nobody on offense or defense that ever steps up to take the pressure off him and make the superstar play that wins the game. We don't have a coach that can adjust the offense on the fly and get them back in sync after they hit a rut. Feels like the whole team is just always waiting for Allen to put on the Superman cape.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don’t know if I've actually witnessed us use a hot read during a blitz in the last several years. Even dating back to Daboll.  Tom Brady made a career of ensuring if a blitz was coming,  he had a hot read to throw to. These coordinators just act like "well Josh will just scramble out of it"....you cannot run an offense that way.

 

It is definitely an area the Bills can coach it better but I do think it is a bit of a Josh weakness too. Being a Quarterback is so mental and just getting to the point in less than a second where you understand "X is better than the potential of Y so take X" is really incredible mental processing. Josh can make plays Brady, Manning, Brees even Rodgers and Mahomes could only dream of. But he still doesn't quite make some of those mental decisions as quickly as those guys.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

its not defensiveness...i think it might be exhaustion

 

you have no idea how tiring it is being correct about basically everything about this team and having to argue w you guys for a couple yrs until its proven right

 

this is just another one of those things

 

 

What is?  What did I say that would make you even want to argue with me?  Josh sucked vs Atlanta?  Well, he did. 

 

again- I said it wasn’t Allen’s fault that we lost the game.  
 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

39 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

Brady is a middle of the ground pedestrian and mediocre offensive coordinator, a generally poor play caller and even worse at scheming wide receivers open or designing solid creative plays that are actually creative and effective. When they run, it's obvious... there's a running back in the backfield... when they pass, there's nobody in the backfield and then the play becomes obvious to the defense. This has been a constant.

 

All the run plays are generally just right up the middle into the heart of the defensive line of the other team, he is clueless about scheming people open or creating effective: keyword "effective" solid creative plays. The cute stuff is stupidly designed and not creative or effective at all. He just comes up with an idiotic designed play that most of the time fails and is called at the wrong time. IMHO, that's really not being creative, that means that you really have no idea how to create effective plays that work and know what to call and when to call it. They can't even execute some of those stupid plays correctly.

 

Why isn't he using some or all of our running backs who can all catch well out of the backfield on 3rd Downs when they're rushing so Josh has a quick outlet to Cook, Ty or Davis, they are all are good pass catchers. That's just one thing that they should be doing more of, but there's a laundry list.

 

As far as the defense, I don't think they'll ever get it straightened out with McDermott. They need a real good defensive coordinator or at least have McDermott call the plays again, which may not be a great improvement...lol, but certainly better than Babich.

 

If you look at the receivers on most any other team, when the quarterback throws to them, they're wide open constantly against our defense. A lot of it has to do with having solid designed plays and or scheming the wide receivers open and also having wide receivers that can actually separate! Furthermore, it's also because of McDermott's stupid constant soft zone and nickel defense that he stubbornly never changes. Any of the backs or people in the backfield are like 10 yds plus away from the receivers when they catch the ball. They're generally wide open.

 

Plus, all the bad drafting by Beane and the piss poor scouting department that can't judge talent over many years, bad free agent acquisitions, bloated contracts, overpaid mediocre players, not knowing when to let somebody go and not knowing when to keep people and of course, McDermott's perpetual life cycle of poorly prepared defenses and horrible play calling, especially in the biggest moments. All this is catching up to the whole organization and where we're at currently.

 

I think most people are tired of this stagnation year after year, which amounts to never getting to the promised land. Not sure either of them are the right people to get the Bill's to a super bowl and actually win it. Also, they've wasted so many peak years of Josh Allen's career by the constant incompetence in many facets. And yes, that means rarely ever having top quality weapons and especially top quality wide receivers acquired or drafted for Josh to utilize that can actually get open. 

 

I'm just still pissed off when I think about the whole mess and the way they always lose and lose at the most inopportune times or in the games they really need to play well and win. The end result is always the same, never getting over the hump. 

 

All right rant off!

Pretty accurate rant in my eyes. They were geniuses in selecting Josh. But from that moment on the incessant stupid decisions just started compounding on each other, year after year....

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

Correct.

Not sure what made you think a podcaster is an expert in the first place.

Not sure what made you think podcasters can’t be experts.  Oh wait, yes I do….. 

[nedboy7]

 

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What is?  What did I say that would make you even want to argue with me?  Josh sucked vs Atlanta?  Well, he did. 

 

again- I said it wasn’t Allen’s fault that we lost the game.  
 

 

'sucked' lol

 

how many games outside bills do you watch week to week

[LABILLBACKER]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is definitely an area the Bills can coach it better but I do think it is a bit of a Josh weakness too. Being a Quarterback is so mental and just getting to the point in less than a second where you understand "X is better than the potential of Y so take X" is really incredible mental processing. Josh can make plays Brady, Manning, Brees even Rodgers and Mahomes could only dream of. But he still doesn't quite make some of those mental decisions as quickly as those guys.

Completely agree....Josh is an athletic freak like no other in NFL history. But you can never compare him to those other guys when it comes to split second "cerebral decisions". That’s where your coaching support staff have to step in...identify this issue and work with Josh on hot reads. Even that last play v KC on that blitz, he had nowhere to go with it. And I think we only needed 5 or 6 yards for the 1st.  You know ATL blitzes constantly. This isn't rocket science. 

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every off game that Allen has, we lose. I mean we've even managed to lose some of his all-time best games, but his off games are guaranteed losses. And I mean off for him, relative to the rest of the league even his off games are still good. Atlanta was the first game this year which I thought was legitimately an off game for him and that capped us at two good drives for the entire game.

 

Allen in some sense is the victim of his own success. Because he occasionally goes nuclear the fanbase has come to expect it. So whenever he is anything less than exceptional and we lose, you start seeing the posts about how "he's as responsible for the loss as anybody." I've really gotten sick of it. QBs can have an off game and their team can still win. But in Buffalo we have nobody on offense or defense that ever steps up to take the pressure off him and make the superstar play that wins the game. We don't have a coach that can adjust the offense on the fly and get them back in sync after they hit a rut. Feels like the whole team is just always waiting for Allen to put on the Superman cape.

10x

 

case in point lmfao

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Josh sucked vs Atlanta

 

[Doc Brown]

I think it would be pretty funny if Brady called a jet sweep the first play of the Carolina game.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I think it would be pretty funny if Brady called a jet sweep the first play of the Carolina game.

And if the sweeper gets the ball in his hands it'll probably go for at least 20 yards.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And if the sweeper gets the ball in his hands it'll probably go for at least 20 yards.

The Knox sweep fumble looked like it could have gone for a big gain.  For us, to be clear.

 

The Moore sweep looked like a bust from the get go.

Edited 1 hour ago by Jauronimo

[Einstein]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

'sucked' lol

 

how many games outside bills do you watch week to week

The fans on this forum are so spoiled by Allen that they have no idea what they're looking at anymore.

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is definitely an area the Bills can coach it better but I do think it is a bit of a Josh weakness too. Being a Quarterback is so mental and just getting to the point in less than a second where you understand "X is better than the potential of Y so take X" is really incredible mental processing. Josh can make plays Brady, Manning, Brees even Rodgers and Mahomes could only dream of. But he still doesn't quite make some of those mental decisions as quickly as those guys.

I've watched two plays on the all-22. I just can't force myself to look at more yet, but I'll get there. One was to see that Groot was, indeed, offside on the first play. He was, and so was Walker. The other was the sack of Josh on the play after McGovern got hurt. It was 3-8. What I saw was this:

 

1. Pre-snap, the Falcons were showing blitz with 5 on the line and two just behind it. 
2. Josh came up to the line, pointing at guys. He didn't expect them to bring everyone so he was calling out the blitzers.
3. They brought all 7 at the snap, but Ebiketie peels off the line to cover Johnson coming out of the backfield. He was probably the hot route. Ellis also drops into coverage. The Bills were running that same mesh route over the middle that they always run.
4. What this meant is that Spencer Brown, who was blocking Ebiketie, is standing there like an idiot blocking nobody and the Falcons had 5 rushers on 4 blockers. Cybo and Anderson double-teamed Orhorhoro while Edwards took Jalon Walker.  Divine Deablo ran right around the line while Dawkins was engaged with James Pearce out wide. CB Dee Alford also came on a blitz. That is two free rushers in Josh's face coming pretty much straight up the middle. It was a busted protection call.  
5. Shakir was wide open to Josh's left, but it didn't matter. With two free rushers, he couldn't see him. 

Josh lost that rep pre-snap with a poor protection call and Joe Brady had nothing to with it. The Bills punt, and two plays later, Robinson is running 81 yards for the TD. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Josh lost that rep pre-snap with a poor protection call and Joe Brady had nothing to with it. The Bills punt, and two plays later, Robinson is running 81 yards for the TD. 

 

Is it not on Brady to have him prepared to read the Falcons defense and their tendencies correctly?

 

Yes, the bulk is on Josh, and maybe they did review it and Josh still made the mistake. But when I see so many players looking lost, including our MVP QB, some of that rolls to coaching and preparation.

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Is it not on Brady to have him prepared to read the Falcons defense and their tendencies correctly?

 

Yes, the bulk is on Josh, and maybe they did review it and Josh still made the mistake. But when I see so many players looking lost, including our MVP QB, some of that rolls to coaching and preparation.

Of course, that's true. But this is year 8. Josh should be better at pre-snap reads by now. It's his weakest aspect as a QB. It's also how Tom Brady won 7 Super Bowls. In this case, it wasn't that he got sacked. That happens. It's that the protection call was laughably bad. They only rushed 5 and had two completely free rushers. I don't feel like posting a video, but I think this still sums it up nicely. Look at Brown standing there blocking nobody with two free rushers closing hard.

[T master]

5 hours ago, boyst said:

when the OC keeps tripping and falling over himself it is the fault of the HC.

 

Sun Tzu: If an order is clear and a directive understood with an unsuccessful outcome the result of the error is an issue of the Commander (HC) not the OC.

And that is exactly why McD said something to Brady because it has happened a couple or 3 times and he is letting him know about it which is doing his job of being the HC  !! 

[Aussie Joe]

18 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Of course, that's true. But this is year 8. Josh should be better at pre-snap reads by now. It's his weakest aspect as a QB. 

 

Was this an issue for him last year ? I thought he was getting a lot of praise for the opposite… 

 

I agree though it was an issue for him last game…

 

 

Edited 58 minutes ago by Aussie Joe