Roster Moves Being Made (Could Be Nothing)

[Marcus Aurelius]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

Yep.  And I found a formula online to count cells of a certain color.  So I have the 53 color coded to Yellow background color.  I use that formula to keep track of the 53 on the active roster.  So I'm suspecting a formula error, where I may have been missing a cell leading me to count 49 vs 50 active.

Don't anyone knock the good old Excel spreadsheet. We use their formulaic capabilities in electrical and firmware development all the time.

[Maynard]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

Hope they can get Jimmy back on practice squad. Really like him. He is a tweezer, but played very well on ST.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Myles Garrett thread starts in 3,2,1…..

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

With these moves, based on my spreadsheet, the Bills now have 49 on the active roster.  So we have room for 4 players.  Hoecht and Ogunjobi, Hairston are likely adds.  Who's the 4th.  I suspect Ciarlo will be re-added to the PS

 

I'll have to recheck my spreadsheet formula.  The Bills app says they have 50 on the active roster.

Poyer being called up to the main squad is a possibility as well. 

1 hour ago, JMM said:

Hope they can get Jimmy back on practice squad. Really like him. He is a tweezer, but played very well on ST.

That's what I think happens. 

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said:

 

There’s one current roster spot.  It will be interesting if they activate Hairston at the end of next week.  
 

[Cash]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Samuel and Moore alone aren't getting us Olave. I'd doubt anyone would take Samuel given the cost remaining on his deal being not worth what you're getting (which is why we're kind of stuck with him).

 

We could package Moore with Draft capital. But the Draft capital would be the meat and potatoes of the deal to get it done. Moore isn't getting you much of anything and Samuel would get you nothing. You'd essentially have to pay them more to take his contract off your hands.

I think in that scenario, you’d be looking at something like Samuel + a pick for Shaheed or Samuel + picks for Olave. And Samuel presumably has negative value, so the picks would have to be fairly substantial. Both guys are young enough to still be relevant after a rebuild, and both are popular enough to help keep fans coming to the games, and that’s something their ownership cares a ton about. We'd have to make them a serious offer. 
 

I really don’t know if NOLA’s cap situation would permit either trade, but if it did, it’s a fairly plausible trade partner. 

 

1 hour ago, JMM said:

Hope they can get Jimmy back on practice squad. Really like him. He is a tweezer, but played very well on ST.

I mean, he is kinda built like a tweezer. On Hard Knocks, he looked pretty light for a safety, much less a linebacker. 

[jkeerie]

29 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Don't anyone knock the good old Excel spreadsheet. We use their formulaic capabilities in electrical and firmware development all the time.

Found my error.  The punter position has changed so much, I selected the wrong "yellow" for the "fill color" so Wishnowsky wasn't being counted.  

[CSBill]

4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Found my error.  The punter position has changed so much, I selected the wrong "yellow" for the "fill color" so Wishnowsky wasn't being counted.  

 

You'd better check your colors. 

[BillsFanForever19]

25 minutes ago, Cash said:

I think in that scenario, you’d be looking at something like Samuel + a pick for Shaheed or Samuel + picks for Olave. And Samuel presumably has negative value, so the picks would have to be fairly substantial. Both guys are young enough to still be relevant after a rebuild, and both are popular enough to help keep fans coming to the games, and that’s something their ownership cares a ton about. We'd have to make them a serious offer. 
 

I really don’t know if NOLA’s cap situation would permit either trade, but if it did, it’s a fairly plausible trade partner. 

 

I just don't see Samuel being the traded WR in a move that would involve us sending one. When he's healthy (which to be fair, isn't often) he provides more and gets open more than Elijah Moore. So why would we move the better player and pay more to do it?

 

Moore wouldn't have been active this week had Samuel not gotten dinged. And for a speed guy, he just *cannot* get open to save his life. He's a much easier trade piece bc he's on a 1 year deal with a small contract. 

 

In my eyes, you make a deal for Olave or Shaheed and you elevate Gabe Davis when he's ready and you move on from Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers - who are providing nothing.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I just don't see Samuel being the traded WR in a move that would involve us sending one. When he's healthy (which to be fair, isn't often) he provides more and gets open more than Elijah Moore. So why would we move the better player and pay more to do it?

 

Moore wouldn't have been active this week had Samuel not gotten dinged. And for a speed guy, he just *cannot* get open to save his life. He's a much easier trade piece bc he's on a 1 year deal with a small contract. 

 

In my eyes, you make a deal for Olave or Shaheed and you elevate Gabe Davis when he's ready and you move on from Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers - who are providing nothing.

 

You just made an argument as to why Samuel would be the traded player if New Orleans wants a pick and a player in return for Olave.   If you can bring that sort of talent into the building you move Samuel in a second.   If they can bring in someone like Olave, he takes Coleman's spot in the starting lineup.   Coleman goes to #4, and Shavers is kept because he plays special teams.   At that point it doesnt matter who you keep between Moore and Samuel because the snaps will be insignificant. 

[nedboy7]

Is Jakobi Meyers a realistic option? 

[The Jokeman]

27 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Is Jakobi Meyers a realistic option? 

He's lined up 55% in the slot this season. Not sure he gonna answer our questions on the outside. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jakobi-meyers/

 

His teammate Tre Tucker on the other hand lines up outside 89% of the time and has speed. I'd move Moore and a pick for him.

[BillsFanForever19]

38 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

You just made an argument as to why Samuel would be the traded player if New Orleans wants a pick and a player in return for Olave.   If you can bring that sort of talent into the building you move Samuel in a second.   If they can bring in someone like Olave, he takes Coleman's spot in the starting lineup.   Coleman goes to #4, and Shavers is kept because he plays special teams.   At that point it doesnt matter who you keep between Moore and Samuel because the snaps will be insignificant. 

 

But again, as I, and even the poster I was replying to stated - Samuel has negative trade value. His contract is why he's still here and why no one would trade for him. 

 

Moore is on a 1 year deal for pennies. Acquiring team would take on about a million and be free of him after this season. Samuel is on a 2 year deal. Acquiring team would take on about 7 million this year and would have to be on the hook next season for more as well.

 

So, again, if Moore is easier and cheaper to trade than Samuel - why would we choose to pay more in compensation to acquire Shaheed or Olave when we could pay less with Moore? Especially when Samuel is the better player.

 

Or long story short - Moore and his contract is someone that the Saints would take. Samuel and his contract is not. It's not a question of whether you make a deal, it's a question of do I think the Saints would want to take on his contract? The answer is no and if they did take him, we'd have to pay them more in compensation than we would with Moore for it. 

Edited 9 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Cash]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I just don't see Samuel being the traded WR in a move that would involve us sending one. When he's healthy (which to be fair, isn't often) he provides more and gets open more than Elijah Moore. So why would we move the better player and pay more to do it?

 

Moore wouldn't have been active this week had Samuel not gotten dinged. And for a speed guy, he just *cannot* get open to save his life. He's a much easier trade piece bc he's on a 1 year deal with a small contract. 

 

In my eyes, you make a deal for Olave or Shaheed and you elevate Gabe Davis when he's ready and you move on from Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers - who are providing nothing.

Money. My assumption is that they’d need to offload Samuel’s contract in order to take back either contract. Moore is a lot cheaper and has no money committed beyond this year. Meanwhile, the Bills are cap-strapped now and will be next year as well. 
 

I may be way off base, but I think Olave would be my goal if I was GM. Start going Rams “F them pics” style, at least a little bit. Would another Groot/Kincaid/Coleman/Hairston type move the needle next year? Probably not, and the odds of getting an instant stud at those spots is probably like… 5 percent? I think it’s worth it to instead spend it on a guy like Olave (or maybe someone without a massively concerning concussion history, but not sure how many might be available). Especially since you also get that guy for the rest of this year.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Samuel and Moore alone aren't getting us Olave. I'd doubt anyone would take Samuel given the cost remaining on his deal being not worth what you're getting (which is why we're kind of stuck with him).

 

We could package Moore with Draft capital. But the Draft capital would be the meat and potatoes of the deal to get it done. Moore isn't getting you much of anything and Samuel would get you nothing. You'd essentially have to pay them more to take his contract off your hands.

Keon, Samuel, Moore, Ray Davis and a 2026 1st for Olave & Shaheed, and Kamara

 

Git

'er

Done

[BobbyC81]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If only.

 

This is for Hoecht and Ogunjobi and a temporary call up from the PS for injuries who will be a placeholder for Hairston until he's ready and people get healthy.

 

An Olave or Shaheed trade would involve moving on from one of our WR's as part of the deal or as a release to make room. We aren't going to be carrying 7 WR's.

Curtis Samuel is a walking (and limping) IR move.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Curtis Samuel is a walking (and limping) IR move.

 

McDermott today said everyone save for Daquan Jones and Josh Palmer is Day to Day. So we'll have Samuel back after the Bye. How long we'll have him, that's something else entirely.

[CNYfan]

I feel that Elijah Moore is useless and every GM in the NFL can now see that clearly.

I am against any trades of 2026 Draft picks this season.    

[Not at the table Karlos]

12 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Because they have 2 guys coming back from suspension they need to activate in Hoecht and Ogunjobi and McD says there is a good chance they open the window on Hairston this week, although they don't need to add him to the active roster until the 3 weeks is up. Then they either have to activate him or he remains on IR for the rest of the year and they can't use him at all.

Would be a lot smarter to wait until the week is out so they don’t waste a week of the 21 day window on the bye week when there’s very little practice. 

[Sweats]

This means nothing without any FO moves........