Trading for a player mid-season...

[Mike in Horseheads]

If your going to trade go big like the Biscuit trade.  Not something to say ya made a move. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

 

 

Guys... I appreciate that we all want the Bills to win a Super Bowl this season, but these were objectively poor long term decisions.

 

Spending a 3rd round pick on a guy who isn't on your team the next year is rarely a good decision. It's a particularly bad one when they don't have a massive impact on the team's ultimate goal, which is to win a Super Bowl.

 

You can all disagree with me if you like, but blowing a 3rd round pick on a guy who will only make you marginally better for one season is a poor strategy and shows no patience in teambuilding.

There is the issue!  You, respectfully, have the wrong objective.  We showed patience in 2017, 2018, and 2019.  The core of the team was built by 2020.   We even endured the purge and reboot. We are no longer patient.

Many (probably the majority at this point) of us are no longer interested in teambuilding.  We really are only interested in a Championship!  I don't care about 2026 or beyond.  The Rams didn't either when they got Von and they won it all. 

We have the MVP of the league, if you are not doing everything to win a championship this year then you are doing a disservice to Allen and to your fans.  We have no idea how long he is going to be able to play at this high a level. 

 

[Pete]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

October 1987: two first round picks and Greg Bell for Cornelius Bennett.

I was a HS senior partying at a UConn Fraternity house.  Big party going on, I walked through living room and I see on TV ticker- “Bills trade for Cornelius Bennett”.  “The Bills got Bennett!?!?”  “How did we get Bennett?!?  Holy ***** the Bills Got Bennett!”

[HamptonBillsfan]

4 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Everybody wants the roster to improve immediately in areas of need. I get it.

However, impatience has killed Brandon Beane and this team in the past.

 

Ask yourself this question... when was the last time an in-season trade worked out for the Bills?

 

I can think of plenty that didn't:

Kelvin Benjamin for a 3rd round pick.

Amari Cooper for a 3rd and 6th round pick.

Rasul Douglas for a 3rd and 5th round pick. 

 

So, for all of those who will inevitably say "Brandon Beane caught sleeping again" ... name one time we traded for a guy in-season and the trade worked out for us?

 

Fact is, teams are willing to trade away these players mid-season for a reason. The truly valuable trades typically happen in the off-season, not during.

Rasul improved us at corner. Cooper had plenty left but  just couldn’t dominate like he did in Dallas or Cleveland. He improved the receiver room though. Remember we lost a tough game in the championship game with Douglas and Cooper. Benjamin was more of low percentage addition. Why bring him up even, we weren’t a team in a win now mode. Always look to improve instead of flailing at reasons not to.

[RoscoeParrish]

Oh ok… let’s just stay content with Tre ******* White. 

[BBills83]

There was no salary cap when we traded for Biscuit. We had one of the highest payrolls in the league in those Super Bowl years. 

[nedboy7]

Bills need AJ. 

[Pecker]

Why did we sign Josh Palmer? He gets a lot of money to do nothing.  We should have kept Mack hollins truthfully.  
 

We have two injured rookie corners so, I am very much against trading for a CB.  We desperately need a legit WR but there’s no one worth acquiring. They’ll just end up being a Coleman/Cooper/Palmer….. 

[gobills404]

Considering it would probably pretty cheap in terms of draft capital I wouldn’t mind at all if we traded for a competent backup RB. Would be insurance for if Cook got hurt and would also help keep Cook a little fresher for the playoffs.

Edited 19 hours ago by gobills404

[Nihilarian]

Buffalo might not get their secondary right until week 10 or so, and will it survive the next five games?  Getting those suspended players back after the bye should help quite a bit, as they should improve the Buffalo pass rush. 

 

Still, I question Hairston's being of value, as the kid hasn't even practiced since before training camp. Letting Douglas leave looks to be a bad move right now. 

 

Is there a CB worthy of being traded for out there?

[CDogg20]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

Amari Cooper made a lot of big plays last year, even though he perhaps did not give us everything we wanted…hell, the pitch back to Allen for the TD in the snow against SF alone was almost worth a third round pick…

That’s what made me say a toss up 🤣

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo might not get their secondary right until week 10 or so, and will it survive the next five games?  Getting those suspended players back after the bye should help quite a bit, as they should improve the Buffalo pass rush. 

 

Still, I question Hairston's being of value, as the kid hasn't even practiced since before training camp. Letting Douglas leave looks to be a bad move right now. 

 

Is there a CB worthy of being traded for out there?

Seemed like the whole nfl quit on Douglas lol he didn’t get a shot until Miami lost multiple corners to injury after trading Ramsey.  Douglas has been playing well though down there 

Tariq woolen seems like he got benched and will be leaving Seattle in the offseason anyway..  bills won’t overpay though and if Seattle wants to move him someone else probably will 

 

the two realistic cb trade targets just got traded for eachother which complicated things haha the other options are veterans kinda having bad years that a change of scenery might help..  cam Taylor Britt has been struggling in cincy this year and is in a contract year 

Edited 15 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[iccrewman112]

11 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

It has to be for the right guy. Sometimes the trades that you don't make, can also hurt you, like the year the Rams traded for Von. 

 

 

I’m convinced if the Bills made that trade for Von during the midseason. 13 seconds never happens and the Bills likely win the Super Bowl.

[machine gun kelly]

20 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Everybody wants the roster to improve immediately in areas of need. I get it.

However, impatience has killed Brandon Beane and this team in the past.

 

Ask yourself this question... when was the last time an in-season trade worked out for the Bills?

 

I can think of plenty that didn't:

Kelvin Benjamin for a 3rd round pick.

Amari Cooper for a 3rd and 6th round pick.

Rasul Douglas for a 3rd and 5th round pick. 

 

So, for all of those who will inevitably say "Brandon Beane caught sleeping again" ... name one time we traded for a guy in-season and the trade worked out for us?

 

Fact is, teams are willing to trade away these players mid-season for a reason. The truly valuable trades typically happen in the off-season, not during.

Disagree on Douglas.  He helped a ton in half a season, and then the next was avg., but better than White.   I wish we could have a better option, but can’t trust Hairston will come back nor will he be up to speed.  White is nothing but a backup and that’s a stretch.

[BillsShredder83]

 

18 hours ago, dpberr said:

I thought the Rasul Douglas trade was fantastic for the Bills.  

 

A lot of these trades so far this year are either underperforming players or too often injured players that teams don't want to pay new contracts, so why not get something in return.  

 

A part of the equation is who's available.

 

For example, IMO, Cincy trading for Joe Flacco didn't make a lot of sense.  Read where they called almost everyone in the NFL, and for example, the Giants didn't want to part with Winston or Wilson.  Now, it looks like that was the best they could do at this juncture.  

 

If the Bills look great at the deadline, would I trade a Dawson Knox or an Alec Andersen or a high pick for a player that really helps in the playoffs?  Probably.  You don't want a flame out season right before you open the new stadium.  Need to get it done this year.  

 

 

Cooper was likely already deciding retirement was near.  Add an injury and feeling his body no longer cooperate likely cemented it.  It was a calculated risk that didnt work out, im ok with it.

 

My preference this year is young and established stud. My exception is for a late round trade for D-Hop as a hes plug n play, hungry, and wants a ring.  But hes down the list for me.  Just no half measures.  I dont care if we have to overpay relative to market.  Were a fairly polished team and a stud WR is worth more to us than most other teams.  Im fine paying the premium.  Josh's career wont last forever.  KC & Balt arent serious, and our AFC competition right now is *checks notes* Indianapolis lol

 

Also the Eagles are far from the team they were last year.  They could heat up, but that defense isnt returning to last years form.  SB has never been so attainable IMO

[aristocrat]

Keon and what for aj brown? Keon in the doghouse with two benchings so far so perhaps the eagles would take him

[Kirby Jackson]

Pretty sure Douglas led the NFL in havoc plays the rest of the year after he came to the Bills. The Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60 yards more per game with Cooper in the lineup than with him out. Attribute that wherever you want but the offense performed significantly better in the games he played. 

 

You have Josh Allen turning 30. There is no more waiting. The league has changed. In season deals weren’t really a thing until the last 3 or 4 years. They happened but not regularly. The line of thinking that you wait until the spring is an antiquated line of thinking. That’s not how it works anymore. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[boyst]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Pretty sure Douglas led the NFL in havoc plays the rest of the year after he came to the Bills. The Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60 yards more per game with Cooper in the lineup than with him out. Attribute that wherever you want but the offense performed significantly better in the games he played. 

 

You have Josh Allen turning 30. There is no more waiting. The league has changed. In season deals weren’t really a thing until the last 3 or 4 years. They happened but not regularly. The line of thinking that to wait until the spring is an antiquated line of thinking. That’s not how it works anymore. 

It is what the cooper did to elevate the offense by just being there as a legitimate WR.  There's a fear the team hopes that is what Davis does - which he can do as. #3/4. Not as a #1.

 

Coleman ain't it.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

It is what the cooper did to elevate the offense by just being there as a legitimate WR.  There's a fear the team hopes that is what Davis does - which he can do as. #3/4. Not as a #1.

 

Coleman ain't it.

Exactly. I’m not saying that AJ Brown is available or gettable. Hypothetically though, if the Bills added him tomorrow, what would their record be the rest of the year? Would they lose a game? 

[BVBILLS]

The Rams said F it and traded all their picks for a SB they are fine now. Difference is they draft studs, and we haven't. 

Edited 3 hours ago by BVBILLS