Why keep bringing certain guys back?

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

only once the team no longer wants to play for him is it time to consider moving on! what a standard lmfao

 

Fans calling for a HC/GM change with a team that is 4-1 and in 1st place in their division which they have won 6 years in 

a row and made the playoffs 7 years straight are the ones who know nothing about "standards".

 

I'm telling you how it is.  They stay until they lose the confidence of the team and Pegula.

As of now, they haven't.

 

It 5 games into a 17-game season.  No owner would do what these fans are suggesting. NONE.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Fans calling for a HC/GM change with a team that is 4-1 and in 1st place in their division which they have won 6 years in 

a row and made the playoffs 7 years straight are the ones who know nothing about "standards".

 

I'm telling you how it is.  They stay until they lose the confidence of the team and Pegula.

As of now, they haven't.

 

It 5 games into a 17-game season.  No owner would do what these fans are suggesting. NONE.

excuse me lol

personally i called for a change after the 2021 afc divisional game 

 

i was a pro mcdermott guy before that

[stuvian]

Ralph is cheap. I think this regime believes they can sprinkle some OBD pixie dust on a player and get oodles of supplemental draft picks out of them if they go elsewhere 

[SlamnSam]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I mentioned it in the Spector thread but it got me thinking. There is a level of arrogance within this regime that could be studied. They will bring back guys that no one else wants, because they know their system. There must be a belief that they are seeing something that others aren’t. The following guys, were here, gone and now brought back occupying a slot on the roster or PS:

- Baylon Spector

- Tre White

- Jordan Poyer

- Jordan Phillips

- Dane Jackson

- Nick Broeker

- Gabe Davis

 

I think that’s 10%(ish) of the roster & PS slots. There is not a market for any of those guys with the possible exception of a healthy Gabe. Crazy

Its because of the owners trying to cash in on every penny they can. Why pay for good players when you know josh allen will sacrafice is body to try and win. I think the pegulias are thiefs.

[Mike in Horseheads]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Haven’t you heard? Our defense is REALLY REALLY complicated. 

And from the looks of things nobody has figured it on 3rd down

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

excuse me lol

personally i called for a change after the 2021 afc divisional game 

 

i was a pro mcdermott guy before that

 

You're a fan and have the right to believe any way you want.  That is for sure.

 

I have my opinion which is very different.  I just voiced back strongly (which I seldom do) the way I see it.

 

In Josh's presser after the game, he was very loud stating his concerns.  3 turnovers and penalties lost the game.

It was the players making stupid mistakes, not the coaches or the GM that lost that game, according to Josh, and I happen to agree.

 

I agree that both the GM, HC and assistant coaches need to be better, but they are not the ones missing tackles, blocks and making

other mistakes.  I had a quick argument with someone in the GDT about a procedure penalty on leaving the RT uncovered.

 

The poster blamed McDermott.  I disagreed saying these players know the rules since Peewee ball.

I won't convince him he is wrong, and he won't convince me I'm wrong.

Go Bills.

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

They probably all still have active leases in WNY. It just makes sense. 

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, SlamnSam said:

Its because of the owners trying to cash in on every penny they can. Why pay for good players when you know josh allen will sacrafice is body to try and win. I think the pegulias are thiefs.

What?

 

Theyre near the top of the league in cash spending for players.

[HOUSE]

What for it....

 

 

 

 

 

Stephon Gilmore is working out

 

Edited 2 hours ago by HOUSE

[DeepPass]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I blame McD more than Beane. IMO he is the one making the call on these over the hill former Bills. 

I have to believe that too!  So many re-treads that can't play anymore!

[Johnnycage46]

37 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What?

 

Theyre near the top of the league in cash spending for players.

 

Agreed. The problem isn't spending...it's spending on the wrong players.

Edited 2 hours ago by Johnnycage46

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, transient said:

Just imagine how complicated it will be when the coaches install the actual tackling package...

We are on version 1.7, that is like version 11.9

47 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You're a fan and have the right to believe any way you want.  That is for sure.

 

I have my opinion which is very different.  I just voiced back strongly (which I seldom do) the way I see it.

 

In Josh's presser after the game, he was very loud stating his concerns.  3 turnovers and penalties lost the game.

It was the players making stupid mistakes, not the coaches or the GM that lost that game, according to Josh, and I happen to agree.

 

I agree that both the GM, HC and assistant coaches need to be better, but they are not the ones missing tackles, blocks and making

other mistakes.  I had a quick argument with someone in the GDT about a procedure penalty on leaving the RT uncovered.

 

The poster blamed McDermott.  I disagreed saying these players know the rules since Peewee ball.

I won't convince him he is wrong, and he won't convince me I'm wrong.

Go Bills.

 

 

 

 

The coach and GM need to bring people in that can execute. They need to put them in a position to execute.  If the players consistently fail to do so it is absolutely a failure of tae coach and GM and on multiple levels.  

[loedward22]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

God I hope we win one soon.

me too. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

But you don't see those guys because they are on practice squads. They usually don't see the field much, even if they get called up. The guys that we keep cycling through here are end of the roster players. None of these guys even played on Sunday. You know who did play? Rookie Dione Walker (started and got 60% of defensive snaps) and Zion Logue and Phidarian Mathis, two practice squad players that the Bills had no prior connection to. That doesn't fit the narrative of this thread at all. 

boss, I’m a season ticket holder of a non-bills team even. I promise I follow other teams pretty closely. And it’s my impression that we do more of the Hyde/poyer retirement tour coaching kickoffs than maybe any team in the league.
 

once you normalize for that I do think we also keep a deeper bench of non practice -practice squad guys, ala Spector, instead of rummaging in others closets.

 

yea, every team has a couple. It feels like we have a few more and then we layer another couple that can’t play on top of that.

46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What?

 

Theyre near the top of the league in cash spending for players.

frankly with the salary floor, outside ebbs and flows with big bonuses and dead money, everyone’s spending about the same 

[Best Williams Available]

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Haven’t you heard? Our defense is REALLY REALLY complicated. 

The arrogant thing about this is that our coaches truly believe this despite opposing coordinators not having much trouble figuring it out.

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The culture is a coach who is steady .. doesn't get high doesn't get too low, and develops players at a higher Pace than 90% of the NFL

 

Dude Mike McDaniel wouldn't be able to have this roster focused like McDermott for 7 years

 

Even the best coaches like Andy Reid had his message gets stale in Philadelphia.. no not any single coach could have came here and have the same success 

 

That's why it's the ultimate team game and it takes a great organization

 

People don't think we can get worse again? Trust me it can get much much much worse

 

Why did Bill belichick bring back people for 15 years? Because he always got the most out of them... 

 

It should be a testament to the culture that Sean McDermott built that players always want to come back and play for him.. they've been around the league and seen worse organizations and want to come home

Of course McDermott is better than Mike McDaniel.  And he is better then Josh McDaniels too.  But that means beans at this point.

 

Comparing Andy Reid to McDermott is stupid.  Reid is an amazing coach.  (sure he has an amazing QB.  But so do we.  But they have won 3 Super Bowls under Reid, and been in 5, and we have been in 0 with McDermott)  

 

McDermott's defensive scheme sucks.  And it has been figured out.  It is too complicated for the majority of NFL players to thrive in.  He is becoming a dinosaur.  Our coaching staff has held us back.  Any culture we have is because we have one of the best QB's to ever play the game.  The rest is all noise.  

 

And yes football is the ultimate team game.  And a team needs good players.  This organization has been derelict in putting enough good players around our amazing QB.  

 

You want culture.  Did you see how Stefan Diggs was bringing his culture to the Patriots on Sunday night on the sidelines and the field?  I liked that culture a whole lot more than the culture McDermott brought to our sidelines on Sunday night, I can tell you that.

 

You keep loving your McDermott culture 716, I want wins and championships.  Not defenses that can't stop anyone when it matters.  Over and out.

[Matt_In_NH]

Because they had an open spot on the IR?

 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering we have more wins then 28 out of 32 teams in the NFL over the last four five six years I'm pretty sure we win lol

 

If you're just talking about a super bowl.. well guess what 31 teams are upset at the end of every season 

 

Everybody said the same thing about Andy Reid in Philadelphia that he was a choke artist who couldn't win the big game.. guess what Andy Reid still could have won super bowls in Philadelphia 

 

Over and out

let’s see if mcd goes and finds his next great qb and makes us regret it. 
 

I’ll challenge you this- pick like 10 middle of the pack coaches… say Dan Quinn, Mike Macdonald, Tomlin, Stefanski, Mike McDaniel and demeco Ryans types…. How much worse do you really think this team is? 
 

if we are talking 3 fewer wins in 5 years - then who really cares about hanging on for dear life because it could be worse. 
 

call me crazy but I’d have loved to see what Sean Payton or Harbaugh would do with Josh Allen, and I’d risk accidentally getting an average coaching performance to see if we could get an exceptional one. 

12 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Of course McDermott is better than Mike McDaniel.  And he is better then Josh McDaniels too.  But that means beans at this point.

 

 

honestly, you trade Tua for Josh and you might not even be that confident in that 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

let’s see if mcd goes and finds his next great qb and makes us regret it. 
 

I’ll challenge you this- pick like 10 middle of the pack coaches… say Dan Quinn, Mike Macdonald, Tomlin, Stefanski, Mike McDaniel and demeco Ryans types…. How much worse do you really think this team is? 
 

if we are talking 3 fewer wins in 5 years - then who really cares about hanging on for dear life because it could be worse. 
 

call me crazy but I’d have loved to see what Sean Payton or Harbaugh would do with Josh Allen, and I’d risk accidentally getting an average coaching performance to see if we could get an exceptional one. 

I think Sean McDermott is 100% a better Coach than Mike Tomlin or the Ravens harbaugh 

 

And I have been adamant about that for years 

 

McDermott in football situations out coaches those two and everybody thinks they're at least solid coaches.. they have super bowls 

 

The chargers harbaugh and Sean Payton are right there... They might take our offense to a better level , but then having the 21st rank defense all the time people would also complain 

 

I think those two guys are in the same category Sean is they just have a better resume.. and theyalso been around longer to learn more

 

But that is the category I think Sean is in.. even if you put him below Payton and stuff for their resume.. he's right there 

 

At this point I think he's above the Ravens harbaugh 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think Sean McDermott is 100% a better Coach than Mike Tomlin or the Ravens harbaugh 

 

And I have been adamant about that for years 

 

McDermott in football situations our coaches those two and everybody thinks they're at least solid coaches

 

oh I tend to agree here but my point was if that’s the risk of pulling the plug and getting a new voice in the teams head…. There’s not a whole lot of downside and just maybe it clicks for the building? 
 

so many posters act like there’s a risk of missing the playoffs for 20 years if we lose McDermott. The reality is even with a “miss” we likely win the division, and then what, lose to KC by 10 instead of 5? I think we are to the point of just needing to try something new if we don’t materially breakthrough this year.